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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) => Topic started by: Trisha on Wednesday 01 December 04 23:07 GMT (UK)
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hI,
does anyone have any information on the following couple and their family?
William GELDER-
Bertha Ragsdell-his wife
they married in 1930 in North Bierley.
I know of one child-
Tom GELDER.
Many thanks to any one who can help.
Trisha
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I don't know if this is of any help but, I remember reading about a "Bertha Gelder" in the death's section of my local paper the Wakefield Express. I think it said she lived at Dacre Avenue, Lupset,Wakefield.
I knew some Gelders of Lupset & I'm sure she was their grandmother, their father was called Harry - so this could've been one of her other sons.
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Death
GELDER, BERTHA 19 October 1904 BRADFORD 1988 December Volume No 4
Page No 199
Reg No 1288
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Hi Catswhiskers,
yes thats her.Thanks for the info.
Trisha.
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Hi Lisachloe,,
I can't make my mind up if it's my Bertha Gelder or not that you've found.I don't suppose you can remember when approximately you saw that obituary in the Wakefield paper?
As yet the children of her's I've found are called Dorreen,Dorothy(who I think became a Mrs Benson),Joan and Tom(who I think married a girl with the surname Wilkie).They were all born in the 1930's and lived in the Baildon area at the time.There could very possibly be a Harry in there somewhere.My investigations into the Gelder's is by no means total.Harry could even be her grandson?
I don't suppose you can remember anything else about this family can you?It would be of great help to me.
Trisha
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I've been speaking with my mother regarding the Gelders & to her knowledge Harry married a (Madge) Marjorie, they had Graham & Helen who would be 40yrs+ June would've been on her 40's but died 3/4 yrs ago & Roy in his late 30's now.
We can't remember when Bertha died but I would guess around 5yrs ago.
My father thinks they have a photo of her in a pub called the Spotted Leopard, Wakefield around 1965, with Harry & Magde & some of their children. He's going to find it out - hoping he's still got it.
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Hi not sure if anyone will reply as i realise its now been a few years since this was posted but I'm trying to trace my family tree and have come across this forum. William and bertha gelder where my great grand parents. I was wondering if you managed to find any more information out about them.
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Welcome to rootschat, Laura.
Trisha does not appear to have been active on rootschat for many years, but lisachloe still posts, so may be able to answer you.
Have you got William and Bertha's marriage certificate for information about their Fathers?
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This looks like Bertha's birth (from GRO)
Bertha Ragsdell mmn Bend born December quarter 1904 in Bradford
and this could be her parents' marriage:
Marriage June quarter 1900
Sarah Ellen Bend Spalding
John William Ragsdell Spalding
Do you have access to the censuses etc as John William Ragsdell is a fairly distinctive name and so (probably) easy for you to find lots about.
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Hi
Yes that's her parents, so far haven't found anything on his parents only just started looking so hoping to find some more info. Thank you for your help.
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Do you know when and where he was born or died, as William Gelder is a very common name?
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Hi,
I know it’s been a few years since this has been posted but I thought I’d give you a little information on my family. Harry was Berthas son. Harry is my grandad. Is has now sadly passed and so has his wife Madge in 2020.