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Hi ,
Can anyone help me please??
I have the discs for the above but can't seem to be able to locate Swan's yard Milton ..I would appreciate any input..
Many thanks ,
Joyce...
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seems to be multiple Miltons in Kent ..... can you pin it down please ?
And Milton Hundred spans multiple PIECES ....
HO 107/460 PARISH: (8)Milton-Gravesend 1841
HO 107/468 PARISH: Milton-Chapel 1841
HO 107/471 HUNDRED: Milton 1841
HO 107/473 HUNDRED: Milton 1841
HO 107/474 HUNDRED: Milton 1841
HO 107/474 PARISH: (3) (8)Milton-next-Sittingbourne 1841
HO 107/475 HUNDRED: Milton 1841
HO 107/476 HUNDRED: Milton 1841
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hello , Newfy ,
Thanks for the info...at least I can trawl thro those numbers...I find the the 41 disc info not easy to follow , if you get my meaning...no streets listed ..just a hard slog..
regards ,
Joyce...
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Hi Joyce - know what you mean !
Give us a name and I'll see if Ancestry has it in the right sort of area then ?
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Hello , Newfy ,
Thanks to you I have found Swan's Yard on number 460 but my people aren't on it ..they were there in 1843 (son's birth cert )... Think I'll have to send for elder son's birth cert born 1839..
I have one huge problem with my Taw family.... I have parish records ( parents ' baptisms ) but no way can I find the family on the 41....Are the records complete or were some spoiled.?? .I know that some of the images are very indistinct..
Cant even find parents' marriage ...have searched cityark Chatham 1833-1837 and also for Milton...
I need a magic wand...have been looking for 2 or 3 years...Taw family so elusive...
Thanks for your info and interest,
regards ,
Joyce..
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lets have some christian names and ages ?
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Hello , Newfy ,
Here goes....William Taw born 1814 Chatham , Matilda Taw nee Tyler born 1815 , Chatham ..
Children...John William Taw born 1839 dist Gravesend ,
George Frederick Taw born 1841 reg in June quarter 1841..Gravesend.
I have them on the 51 in London ..but Henry Taw was born in 1843 in Milton Gravesend ..so they were still in Kent in 1841 ..
After the 51 the trail goes cold for the parents William and Matilda Taw.. having already mentioned that I have no marriage record for them there are also no death records !!!
I trawled up to 1900 with no luck , maybe they are still alive !!!!!!!
Thanks ,
Joyce...
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how on earth did they get called DeTaw in 1851 ::)
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After the 51 the trail goes cold for the parents William and Matilda Taw.. having already mentioned that I have no marriage record for them there are also no death records !!!
1861 Poplar All Saints, Middlesex
RG 9/308 folio 9 page 22
31 Cottage Row
William TAW, head, 45, ship joiner, Chatham Kent
Matilda, wife, 43, Chatham Kent
John, son, 20, seaman w s, Gravesend Kent
George, son, 19, do., Gravesend Kent
Joseph, son, 16, do., Sheerness Kent
<Mistlon?>, daur, 11, scholar, Poplar Middlesex
Robert, son, 2, scholar, Stepney Middlesex
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and not even mis-transed ;)
think that lass must be Matilda .....
Births Jun 1849
TAW Matilda Emma Poplar V2 P361
its 1841 thats the challenge - wonder if Mum popped back to Kent for the 1843 and later births ?
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Hi , Newfy ,
Thanks again ...I have Matilda Emma's birth cert ...they were then living in William St Poplar...but as I said before it's the parents whom I can't pin down.....I'm beginning to wonder if they left London...even so , I still cant find them anywhere..
Someone did tell me that some records were lost during ww2 and I'm beginning to think that maybe theirs were amongst them.....dont know how true it is ...
As for the mother popping back to Kent for the 1843 birth ..could be....because she is in 2 places on the 51 ..in London with the kids and in Kent with her mother and bros and sisters...how she managed that I'm not sure ...
a puzzler.... Joyce...
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you're eking out the clues here Joyce ! :D
No census records were destroyed WW2 as far as I know - but some were 'lost' way back when, and others have their own problems .... The National Archives can be searched for PIECE numbers related to places - it usually says if records dont exist.... also Ancestry lists known incomplete or missing PIECES ....
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Have you seen this?
The Times, Thursday, Jun 09, 1864; pg. 13; Issue 24894; col D
"Middlesex Sessions, June 8."
"Matilda Taw, 48, and Matilda Taw, 14, mother and daughter, were charged with stealing a frock and a pair of boots from the person of Ellen Aubrey, aged four years, and a jacket, from the person of an infant.
For some time past a great number of robberies of children have been reported in the neighbourhood of Poplar, and the police have been informed that they were committed by a young girl. In many instances the children whose clothes have been taken from them in the streets have been too young to identify the thief ; but in this case Ellen Aubrey, an intelligent little girl, pointed out the younger prisoner as the person who had taken the articles charged in the indictment from herself and infant brother, when they were on their way to school on the morning of the 18th of May. It was proved that the younger sold the boots and frock to a Mrs. Segar, and said her mother had them from a captain's lady, who owed her some money. They were worn by Mrs. Segar's child, and Mr. Aubrey recognized them as the chothes of which his little girl had been deprived. The older prisoner told the police a different story - viz. that an actress at the Effingham Saloon and a singer at the Borough Music-hall, whose name was Fenton, had given them to her ; but inquiries had failed to discover any such person as Mrs. Fenton.
The jury found a verdict of Guilty.
The elder prisoner was sentenced to be imprisoned for 12 months, and the younger prisoner was sentenced to be imprisoned for two months and then to be kept for three years in a reformatory.
It was stated that since the apprehension of the prisoners no more of such robberies have been reported."
So...Matilda senior was still alive in June 1864 when she was sent to prison.
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Brilliant Dave - never ceases to amaze me whats out there waiting to be found !
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Hi Joyce
Swan Yard is still there....well, minus the houses of course :) It now has a large Medical Centre.
I have seen a few Taws, while I trawled through the Ark.
Best wishes..... Iris :)
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Me again....
Sorry. I should have mentioned, Swan Yard is between Queens Street and the High Street in Gravesend. It really is/was no more than an alley way.
Iris..... :)
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Hi to Newfy , Dave and Iris ,
What a result !!!! Wow....am so amazed !! As Newfy said.. " amazing what's waiting to be found "
One year in clink for the old girl ..a few months for the younger plus 3 years reformatory ....I never imagined something like that ...
Is it still possible to access the Times Archives ?? I could a couple of years ago but forgotten how...
Iris , on the 41 there are quite a number of families living in Swans Yard...you have seen it ...have you any idea of what the layout might have been ..quite cramped , do you think ??
Am just trying to picture it....I understand that it might have been a pub yard... I found a ref to a Swan pub in Pigotts for 1820s ..wondered if it was the same one ..
Anyway , thanks to all for your help...much appreciated..
Joyce..
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Hi Joyce
Yes, there was a pub called the Swan there.
I think Swan Yard would have been cramped, as with all the alleys and yards.
Walking through Swan yard alley way, is just comfortable side by side with someone....it is quite narrow. It now leads out to the Medical Centre , car park and the back of the Market.
Try posting on
www.ghs.org.uk it is a free site. Someone on there may be able to give you more info than me :)
Best wishes....Iris :)
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If you do a search on multi map or street map for post code
DA12 2EN
it will give you a rough idea of where swan Yard is.
....Iris :)
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Just as a matter of interest, Swan Yard appeared in a British film of 1952 called 'The Long Memory', starring John Mills, John McCallum, Elizabeth Sellars, Eva Bergh, John Slater, and Geoffrey Keen.
In one night scene John Mills' character is watching a house in Queen's Street, waiting for John Slater to surface. However, unknown to Mills, the police (in the company of a journalist) are watching the street too, waiting for John Mills who's bent on revenge, having gone down for a crime he did not commit.
Now the house in which Slater is esconced, was on the west side of Queen's Street, and when he does make a run for it, he dashes into Swan Yard to make good his escape. True, it is a fleeting glimpse of the Yard, but if you're interested in the area, it's marginally better than nothing! At the bottom of Queen's Street can be seen the riverside church of St. Andrew, and the scene generally gives an interesting panorama of the old quarter of Gravesend before it was redeveloped, and eventually bled to death in the 1960s.
And just for good measure, it's a damned good film too!
Swampy