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Title: 1841 or 1851 census William Alsop
Post by: bla002 on Wednesday 11 April 07 09:37 BST (UK)

Hello,

I believe my g-g-grandfather's name was spelt William Alsop in 1841 but spelt William Allsop in 1851.  He was born in 1836, probably in Trevethin or thereabouts.  Killed 1890, in the big Llanerch Colliery explosion, it seems (spelt Allsopp there).

There is another William Al(l)sop born later in 1938, but I don't think that's the right one.

If anyone has census information from 1841 or 1851 concerning him or his household,, I would appreciate it.

Thanks from New Zealand.

BLA

Title: Re: 1841 or 1851 census William Alsop
Post by: Mike Thw on Wednesday 11 April 07 10:25 BST (UK)

Try this for 1851

The original is almost unreadable so it will have to be the transcribed version.

Family living in the civil parish of Trevethin

George Allsop, head, 27, St Pool, Mon, coal miner (?)
Harriot, wife, 24, St Pool, Mon
John, son, 7, St Pool, Mon
Raeheal (sic), dau, 3, St Pool, Mon
Stephen Allsop, lodger, 60, Gloucestershire, miner (??)
William Allsop, Lodger, 15, P Pool, Mon miner (???)

Ref: HO107/2449/33/26

Title: Re: 1841 or 1851 census William Alsop
Post by: Mike Thw on Wednesday 11 April 07 10:32 BST (UK)

1841

Stephen Alsop, 1796, not born in county Miner
Thomas, 1821, not ... miner
George, 1826, Born in County miner
Joseph, 1830, County miner
Elizabeth, 1832, County
William, 1826, County

Civil parish: Trevethin
Ref: HO107/744/7

Title: Re: 1841 or 1851 census William Alsop
Post by: osprey on Wednesday 11 April 07 10:45 BST (UK)

Welcome to Rootschat!

just to add to the 1851 census, the place of birth for all except Stephen is Pontypool and the daughter's name is Rachel - writing is terribly faded.
You might find some things on the Trevethin parish records online. I can't post a link on a look up page, but if you go to the parish page for Trevethin on Genuki, thre is a link.
William's burial is there
11/2/1891 aged 54 of Snatchwood killed at Llanerch colliery explosion 6/2/1890

Title: Re: 1841 or 1851 census William Alsop
Post by: bla002 on Wednesday 11 April 07 10:50 BST (UK)

Wow, that was prompt - thank you.  Other bits for the puzzle I suppose, but I'm not sure where the 1851 fits.  Would a younger brother count as a lodger in the census?

For the 1841, is the date for William 1826 or did you mean 1836?

Thanks again,
BLA

To the other poster, thanks too - by chance, my Australian cousin had the transcription from William Allsopp's headstone at the Trevethin church (seeking roots in Wales) without knowing it was family.

Title: Re: 1841 or 1851 census William Alsop
Post by: Mike Thw on Wednesday 11 April 07 11:31 BST (UK)

Sorry - 1836 not 1826

It is possible that George in 1851 is the son George in 1841 - 1841 birthdates are rounded down, so 1826= 1822 to 1826

I've come across brothers/grandchildren/other relatives all called "Lodgers" in my own research, so I don't think its uncommon.

Title: Re: 1841 or 1851 census William Alsop
Post by: bla002 on Wednesday 11 April 07 11:54 BST (UK)

Thanks for all your help, both of you.  I wasn't expecting such a positive response, and so quickly.

It's useful to know about the possibility of relatives as lodgers.  It might make sense of Stephen and William from 1841 to 1851 - I'll keep an open mind.

Oh well, to bed!

Cheers
BLA