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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Durham Lookup Requests => Durham => England => Durham Completed Look up Requests => Topic started by: kazdel on Saturday 07 April 07 19:32 BST (UK)
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Hi
I have totally lost track of John Thomas Milburn brn abt 1871/2 his birthdate may be 21st November Bishop Auckland Co Durham.
Son of William Milburn brn abt 1843 and Elizabeth Simpson brn 1853 living in Evenwood Co Durham
I have found him still living with his family on the 1881 census and the 1891 census and know that he was still around in 1896 as he was a witness at Eliz Jane Milburns marriage.
Thank you
k
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This is the only possibility I can find - the birthplace isn't right and he's a bit older but then his wife is 34 and I have seen before one of a couple adjust their age to make it closer to their spouse's. I've had a look on the 1891 for a John T Millburn of this age and can't find one.
Anyway - for information/elimination -
1901 - RG13, piece 4652, folio 46, p 18.
Foundry Yard, West Auckland, Durham.
John T Millburn, Head, M, 32, Coal Miner, Hewer, b. Witton le Hole, Durham.
Ellen Millburn, Wife, 34, b. Fertree, Durham.
Hannah Millburn, Daughter, 6, b. Cockfield, Durham.
Ethel Millburn, Daughter, 4, b. Etherley Moor, Durham.
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k,
Looking at the family from C1851 ( 2386-86-17) they appear to be accurate age-keepers... and liked Swann Row, Evenewood.
After appearing together on C1891, the family of William Milburn and Elizabeth Simpson, are all accountable on C1901 ( except William who just didn't make it )....
William Died 58 1st Qtr 1901 Auckland Reg District
Widow Elizabeth with dtrs Nellie and Elizabeth Jane Barnes at C1901 4652-165-61.
Annie and sister Elizabeth Ann ( Bowman) at 4655-44-1.
Leaving John T !
Salop Lass's take for John T at West Auckland ( 4652-46-18) is about the best candidate for him, but there are negatives about him.....
Age, birthplace, variation of surname...
Maybe this is fault of census numerator, rather than John T.... Although I am a Northumberland lad, I don't think there was/is such a place in Co Durham as Witton le Hole ! Yes to Witton le Wear, and Hetton le Hole !
Interesting that John T gets for borth-places... C1881=Bishop Auckland,
C1891 Evenwood... C1901 ????.
Do you have the marriage of this couple John T Milburn/Millburn and Ellen ?
Michael Dixon
Newcastle
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Oops...
My slips ( Evenewood for Evenwood,=carelessness)...
"borth-place"... was my fat finger getting wrong key, not me speaking native!
Michael Dixon
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Hi
thanks for the info have had a look at the 1901 with John and Ellen but am not sure.
I am totaly at a loss - I have managed to find all. Like you say the dates and place were all relatively correct through out the censuses. I can account for all his sisters and have just had all info confirmed by a relative Eliz Annes grand daughter- She has a birthday cook book that has birthday entries in. We are both at a loss
John Thomas was the eldest and as you say it says he was born in Bishop Auckland
Next Elizabeth Jane - she was actually born in 17 Dec 1873 Esperley Lane Cockfield
All the other sisters where born in Evenwood
John Thomas was a witness at Eliz Janes marriage in Evenwood in 1896
In Elizabeth Annes birthday cook book it seems that all names are written in full except John Thomas who is written as J T Milburn 21 Nov and seems to have been entered prior to his sister Ellen Margaret (Nellie) marriage in 1903.
I haven't got the marriage cert as couldn't even find anything until shropshire lass found - maybe worth ordering the marriage cert.
I have order a birth cert but was hard finding that - it is the nearest and one registered in Auckland so hopefully that may give some info
Can't find any death info around the right time either
We are both at a loss on John Thomas ???
Thanks for you input all helps i have maybe been looking too hard. Hope we find him. I have only maps of the areas as i live in Bristol and have little knowledge of the village names/town in Durham - but is interesting that you say that there maybe no Witton le Hole - I have a map and am learning fast :)
thank you both for the help
k
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K,
I realise that the birth of John T would have been registered at AUCKLAND Registration District, but was he born in Bishop Auckland or another community with AUCKLAND Reg District ?
Michael
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Hi Michael
Thank you Michael - now may have another avenue to look at.
John Thomas's got married in the Oct 1/4 1871 in Auckland district - I am still waiting for the marriage cert on this one too
If the birthday cook book is correct 21 Nov and the census years of 1871/2 then i am thinking maybe JT's mother was bery pregnant with him when they married. His mother Elizabeth Simpson was living at Primrose Hill in Bishop Auckland with her mother and step father at the time of the 1871 census.
His father was living in Evenwood in 1871.
Think maybe I need to wait and have a look at the birth and marriage certs
Thank you
k
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Hi Kazdel,
I've been trying to find a connection to my Milburn family but as yet I can't find one.
My....George and Jane milburn also lived in Swann Row, so I would think they come from the same family......but where. Jane as a first and middle name crops up a lot in the Milburns. My grans only daughter was called Jane after my gran's mother.
If I find a link I'll let you know.
Michael is very good at Durham and Northumberland isn't he?.....but not at typing.....or maybe he's been on the ? again.......lol...........sorry Michael!!
Jean
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Jean,
I was so upset at your disparaging remarks about my typing skills that I opened a can !
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You know some folk in the Fam Hist game specialise in topics like Mining, Railways, Shipbuilding etc... well I specialise about places/parishes/administration etc in 1800s context....
why ?? .... I was forced to !....because I used to make so many mistakes and go up many wrong garden paths, because of my ignorance or because I used my modern knowledge of places, which was usually more of a hindrance than a help after a hundred years of change.
Mickeal Doxin hic !
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Hi Jean
I have had a look at my Milburns - I haven't got a George :(.
I have a Joseph Milburn that was born in abt 1807 GreenCroft Lanchester....I haven't as yet ordered his birth certificates to see who his parents were. How old is your George.... maybe George and Joseph were brothers ???
Michael is very good ....:) hope the can was good Michael - still haven't found anything on my John Thomas ...theres always one that decides to be ellusive.
If you find anything Jean would love to hear about
K
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This is my family K
In 1851
Living Swan Row, Evenwood.
George Milburn 54 a coal miner born in Whorlton.
Jane Milburn 50 born Evenwood.
Joseph Milburn 20 coal miner born Evenwood
George Milburn 17 coal miner born Evenwood
William Milburn 15 coal miner born Evenwood
Margaret Milburn 11 born Evenwood
Son John Milburn has left home.
Does it ring any bells.
jean
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Hi Jean
doesn't ring any bells straight away ..but will have a look through and see if I can see anything. My Milburns appeared to have moved to Evenwood in 1851 as on the 1841 cenus they were living in Newfield
Joseph 44 an agricultural labourer - but later worked in the mines born in Greencroft Lanchester abt 1807
Jane (nee Coats)
Mary Jane 10
William 8
Thomas 5
Joseph 2
and their neice Jane Coates 4
they married in 1832 at Auckland St Helens and must have been living in or near Evenwood as they had 2 children William and Thomas. However they both died in Nov 1838 William on the 4 Nov aged 4 and Thomas on the 21st aged 1. Very sad. Am not sure how to find the parents of Joseph though.
I will have another look through my info though
Karen
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Hi have you found your milburns yet they are all on the IGI index on family search lanchester and the george who was born in whorlton is on the IGI also
lynnej
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Thanks for that Lynne but I already know that George Milburn was baptised 15th Jan 1797 and I think his parents were John Milburn & Sarah Greenwell who were married at Whorlton 17th May 1780.
I was just trying to find a connection with Kazdel's Milburn family who also lived in Swann row, Evenwood.
The only problem I have with my family is I can't find them on the 1871 census.
I think the pages may be missing .... I wonder if Michael Dixon might know.
I've searched every way for them.
In 1861 they were living, East side, High Hope Street, Crook
John Milburn 31
Mary (Laidler Milburn 24
Mary J Milburn 2
John G Milburn 1
In 1881 they were living White Lee Villas, Crook.
John Milburn 51
Mary Milburn 44
John Geo Milburn 21
Ann Milburn 19
Laidler Milburn 17
Sarh Milburn 14
Thomas William milburn 6
All the children seem to be born in Crook but there seems an awfully big gap between the last two children, unless there's some kicking around I don't know about. If there is, they would be married by the next census, so I'll never know unless I can find them in 1871 or send for a load of birth certs.
Any help on this would be appreciated.
I wonder if Kazdel has found John Thomas Milburn?
Thanks again
Jean
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Hi i have 1881 census with my hubbys milburns living in swan road
George milburn head Born abt 1797
Jane Milburn wife born abt 1801
Joseph Milburn son born abt 1831
george milburn son born abt 1834
margaret milburn dau born abt 1840
George Milburn b 1797 is my husbands 3x great grandad
id be greatful for any more info on these if pos
Laura
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Hello Laura...with a name Proud, is this your family in 1851
Living in the Parish of Crook and Billy Row.
George Proud 39 head, Coke Drawer born Staindrop
Sarah (Milburn) Proud wife 28 born Whorlton (George Milburn’s daughter)
Jane Proud 3, 1st daughter baptised 26th March 1848 at born West Auckland.
Abraham Proud 3 months born Crook
William Macalster 26, Coke Drawer, unmarried lodger born South Shields
John Wilkinson 27, Coke Drawer, unmarried lodger born Langledale
John Milburn 22 Coal Miner, unmarried lodger born Winston. (Sarah’s brother)
If so ...... I come down from Sarah's brother John Milburn, I have quite alot of info on the Milburn family, if there's anything you want ...just ask
Jean
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Hi Jean
Yes i believe this is the correct family this is my husbands family
George and Sarah Proud were his gg grandparents
i have sarahs dad as George Milburn mother Jane surname unknown
siblings for Sarah i have
Elizabeth
John
Joseph
George
William
Margaret
If this is correct you would be a distant cousin of my husband.(Graham)
Im unclear as to Abraham Proud (Grahams G Grandad) as i have him in my tree as being born in 1856 in Evenwood so there may have been a son born and died with the same name, as my husband Grahams dad died when Graham was 11 he didnt really see his Proud side is info is abit sketchy.
Any help would be great as we dont go to Durham very often.
Laura
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Hi Laura,
Jane's name was Madgin ..... if you private message me an email address I can send you a photograph of the headstone of George Milburn and his family, they are buried in St Helens Auckland. George remarried after Jane died. There's too much info to put on this thread. I'll see what I can find on your Proud side.
Jean
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Hi Jean
Ive just realised my profile pic is of George Milburn Proud His wife Sarah E Telford and their daughter Vida Proud.
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Hi
I was doing research on the family tree and gave up for a few years - am just getting back at it now and am very rusty.
I have a George Milburn father of Sarah Milburn (born 1823 in whorlton) who married George Proud (bron1812) on 12/12/1846 . They had five children - Jane (1848), George (1855), Abraham (1857), Sarah (1859) and Margaret Eleanor (1859 or 1861) . Do you think these Milburn/Prouds are the same as yours?
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Yes these are my family as well eleanor2, I come down from Sarah's brother John Milburn who is staying with them on the 1851 census.
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Hi ,
My connection is through margaret eleanor proud , youngest daughter of George and Sarah Proud.
She married Daniel McMahon from Co. Clare in Ireland. They had three children with their son John Ernest McMahon being my grand father. Daniel and Margaret Eleanor died in 1887 and 1886 of TB leaving three very young children who were brought to Ireland by the McMahon family.
We never knew anything about the Proud side of the family or the circumstances of the children being brought to Ireland.
They were married at the Parish Church, Evenwood which sounds like Church of England and the children were baptised at St Joseph, Patrick and Cuthbert which is Catholic. Magaret Eleanor's funeral was in St Helens Church and Daniels was in St Joseph, Patrick and Cuthberts.
Would this mean they were buried seperately and is there a cemetary attached to these churches.
I am also wondering how Daniel came to Durham - he was a police constable from a farming family in the west of Ireland. I see him on the census before he was married (with an incorrect spelling of his name)
I would love any information on the Milburns or the Prouds or how to research Daniel Mc Mahon being a police constable.
All i know is that Abraham Proud is the father of George Proud. I have just learnt of George Milburn of 1797 was married to Jane from posts on this thread. I also learnt of Sarah Milburn Prouds siblings on this thread.
thanks
Joan
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Hi Joan, George Milburn was christened 15th Jan 1797 at the chapel at Whorlton, son of John Milbourn and Sarah Greenwell who were married at Whorlton 17th may 1780. George married Jane Madgin 3rd Sept 1821 at St Helens, Auckland. They were married in church by banns with her parents consent. they both siged the register. Children are Sarah 1822, Elizabeth 1826, Joseph 1828 died at 5 days, John 1829, Joseph 1831, George 1835, William 1837, Margaret 1840.
Wife Jane died 1852, George married widow margaret Marshall in 1853
George died 8th July 1869
George and Jane's headstone is at the back of the Churchyard of St Helen's Auckland also in the grave is daughter Elizabeth, daughter in law Barbara (son George's wife) and second wife Margaret
I didnt follow Sarah after she married so I don't have much on the Proud family
Jean
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Hi Jean
thanks so much for your reply - that's loads of information - thank you so much. You have given me an extra generation with Sarah Greenwell and John Milbourn.
I will see what I can find out about the Prouds. Margaret Eleanor Proud McMahon is buried in St Helens Aukland - I wonder how I can locate that grave.
thanks again
Joan
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Joan, St Helen's church graveyard is not that big, I just looked round until I found George's it was behind the church. If you don't live far away I'm sure you'll find it if it's still there.
Jean
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Thanks Jean,
I have been in touch with the records office for some more information - I dont live near enough to visit and have a look around though I do hope to visit next year when i have some more information.
thanks
Joan
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Hi there,
My lineage involves the Proud family. I have Lily Proud whom is my grandmother and my 3rd great grandparents were George Proud 1819-1873 born Hilton County Durham and Sarah Milburn 1822-1891 born Whorlton County Durham.
I do have some Proud family history they were a family of miners and Innkeepers.
I may be able to fill in some gaps for you.
I have no information of the Milburn side but my parents still attend St Helens church every week where some Milburns were buried.