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Peter here from sunny Sydney in Oz.Ive run into a problem tracing my family.
My Grandad Thomas Bough Born in 1889 and died in 3.05.1951.(Age 62)
Have checked indexes but he is not listed also checked 1890 and not there.
I have his death cert but really need to find his Birth Cert Please help
Regards Peter
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hello Peter
Any idea of parents names or siblings? whereabouts in Kent
Pam
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Hello Pam, I think his (Thomas)father was named Sydney.
My late fathers name was Eric Thomas Bough Born 14.10.1921 That would be his son.
Does that help?
Regards Peter
PS I think Thomas middle name may have been George
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Sorry also Thomas was born poss Lambeth
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Hi,
Birth Registration of
Eric T Bough [mothers maiden name Noons]
<Maidstone 2a 1493 Dec.Qtr. 1921>
Regards
Joburg
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Hi,
Marriage registration
Thomas Bough - Emily Noons
<Dartford 2a 1219 Mar. Qtr. 1919>
Regards
Joburg
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Hi,
1901 census for Dartford Kent
Piece 702 Fol.74 Page 30
14 Colnay? Road
Edward Noons 48 tanner born Dartford Kent
Phebe 46 born Denham? Norfolk
Robert 19 gelatine maker
Emily 16
Joe 13
May 11
Jesse [dau] 8
Edith 6
All children born Dartford Kent
Regards
Joburg
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Hello
Well done Joburg you pipped me to the post everytime
regards Pam ;)
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1891 RG12/640 folio 58 page 18 Dartford Kent
31 Great Queen Street
Transcribed Novns
Edward Noons age 41 Tanner Dartford
Pheobe age 31 Litcham Norfolk
Frederick son age 11 rest born Dartford
Robert son age 8
Emily dau age 6
Joe son age 3
Mary dau age 1
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1881
28 Gt Queen Street
Edward Noons age 30 Tanner Dartford
Phoebe age 26 Lexham Norfiolk
Alice M Noons age 4
Frederick G Noons age 1
Pam
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Peter,
The only Thomas BOUGH I can see on 1891 census with a birth date around 1889 was born in Heytesbury, Essex, England.
He is a boarder with Edward and Mary Ann ROSSER in Newcastle Shopshire.
Not much help even if it is your grandad!
RG12; Piece: 2085; Folio 40; Page 5
Pinetree
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1901 is equally helpful ???
There is a Thomas BOUGH aged 10 born Maidenhead, Berkshire and this is the household:
Charles RICHARDS, Head, Mar, 22, Scene painter, own account, Ireland
Eliza RICHARDS, Wife, Mar 23, Hawker, own account, Liverpool, Lancs
Bella RICHARDS, dau, 3 Liverpool
Edward BOUGH, son!, 12, Maidenhead, Berkshire
Thomas as above
Robert BOUGH, son 8, Maidenhead
Pinetree
P.S. I can trace this family back to 1891 transcribed as BAUGH this time the head of household is Harriet BAUGH married 27 wife (Irish hawker) born London. Edward and Thomas (aged 10 months) are there with an older sister Harriet. They are living in Maidenhead RG12; Piece: 1005; Folio 39; Page 34
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Hello
Pinetree I saw that Thomas Bough also.
On the 1901 He is Thomas E R Gough adopted son of the Rossers age 12 born pontesbury Shropshire
The 1901 Thomas Bough Maidenhead sounds more promising
1871 RG10/885 folio 34 page 17 Dartford Kent
Charles Noons age 26 Waterman? all born Dartford
Sarah wife age
Charles son age 1
George Boarder age 23 Dartford lab at paper mill
William Boarder age 18 Dartford lab at paper mill
1861 RG9/467 folio 17 Page 27 Dartford Kent
Overy Street
Charles Noons age 46 lab at paper mill tring Heredfordshire
Louisa wife age 39 Lambeth London
Charles son age 17 lab at paper mill rest born Dartford
Louisa dau age 16 house servant
George son age 14
James son age 13
Edward son age 10 born Dartford
William son age 8
Henry son age 6
Emma dau age 1
Charles Noons married Louisa Lock 1842 dec quarter 5 409 Lewisham Greater London Kent london
1851 H0107/1607 folio 371 page 10 Dartford Kent
Cock Alley
Charles Noons age 37 born Tring Heredfordshire House Keeper
Luisa age 27 Lambeth Kent
Charles age 7 Dartford
Luisa age 6 Dartford
next page
George age 4 Dartford
James age 3 Dartford
Edward age 2 weeks or months Dartford
William Moody age 31 U Rail lab born Birmingham Warwickshire
Pam
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Does the marriage help ???
22 Feb 1919 St Alban Dartford
Thomas BOUGH 29 soldier 3rd RWK (Royal West Kent regiment perhaps?) of 67 East Hill, Dartford son of Edward BOUGH general dealer. One of the witnesses a Sidney Edward BOUGH.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01e6/
Casalguidi
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Looking at the 1901 census
Rg12/1169 folio 15 page 22 Holy Trinity New Windsor Berkshire
This is how the households are listed.
19 Garden Court (River Street)
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Charles Stocker age 50 bricklayer
Emma Stocker age 46 Laundress
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Charles Richards age 22 Scene painter Ireland own account
Eliza age 23 Hawker own account Liverpool
bella age 3 Liverpool
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all at 20 Garden Court
Edward Bough son age 12 all born Maidenhead Berkshire
Thomas Bough son age 10
Robert Bough son age 8
Walter Slade head age 25 Blacksmith Surrey
Louisa age 27 charwoman Buckinghamshire
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Alfred Scales age 25 lincensed Hawker tottenham
Emily Scales age 24 Worcestershire
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Pam
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Pam,
That makes much more sense for 1901!
If this is Peter's Thomas this would look like the birth registration:
Bough Thomas Cookham 2c 384 Sep Q 1890
Can't see a marriage for Edward BOUGH and Harriet though - how frustrating - no wonder Peter's been having trouble :o
Pinetree
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I am overwelmed by everyones generous help and interest. I had no idea of how helpfull This webpage could be ..it now seems i have a lot more info to look at ,i thank you all so much...Thanks a heap.I look forward to moving ahead now.
My Grandad died in the same year i was born and a few months before i arrived on the scene.I am kucky enough to now be the Grandad myself with 4 beautifull grandchildren and each one of them will have me as their Grandad.
Am i lucky or what.Best regards Peter
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1891
Market Street
Transcribed wrongly Baugh is Bough
husband is a FISH Hawker
Harriet head M age 27
Harriet dau age 5
Edward son age 3
Thomas son age 10 months
must have been doing alright with a servant
Emily Perry age 18 servant london
All the best to you Peter
Regards Pam
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Thanks to Cu
1901 Rg13/1169 folio 9 page 10 Clewer New Windsor Berkshire
River Street Court No 9
Edward Bough age 40 Lodging house keeper and general shop keeper Lambeth london
Harriett age 37 Friar Street london
Agness age 15 Maidenhead
George age 6 maidenhead
Victoria age 4 Berks
John age 4 months Berks
Eliza Hammond sister in law age 20 Boro London
Pam
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Looked for marriage of Edward Bough to Harriett. Started from their son birth.
Edward Samuel Bough June Qtr 1888 Cookham, to 1879 (includes)
could only find
Samuel Bough to Harriett Hammond June Qtr 1879 Lambeth 1d 643
See 1901 census sister in law, Eliza Hammond ???
Could Edward of changed his name?
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St Cath index Births
Harriet Anges Bough Cookham 2c 430 June Qtr 1886
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Hello all and thanks for all the ongoing help.I have managed to get a copy of my Grandads Marriage Cert info as follows
Married on 22nd Feb 1919
age 29
Soldier
living at 67 East Hill Dartford
Father shown as Edward Bough (General Dealer)
I had heard his name was Sidney Edward Bough (Maybe he didn't like Sid as a name)
Married at The Parish Church St Alban Dartford Kent
to Emily Noons
Age 31
Same home address (Riskay for that time?)
her father Edward George Noons (Tanner)
Maybe this will help find my Missing Grandad.
Regards to all
Peter
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Hi Peter
The name of his father and his job General dealer tie in with the 1901 census return
Edward Bough lodging house keeper and General shop keeper, wife Harriett. ;D
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Pete,
I have just googled "Edward Bough Windsor" and found your post from back in 2007.
I don't know how far you have progressed with your search for your grandad? I have been researching the family of my partner (a Bough) for years now, his father was the youngest brother of your grandad.
Your father's birth certificate states parents as Edward Samuel Bough, general dealer and Harriet Bough, formerly Hammond. Edward Bough was born in Lambeth on 13 July 1859, and his birth was registered as "Samuel Bough". Still using the name Samuel, he married Harriet Hammond on 1 June 1879 in Lambeth.
In the 1881 Census, Samuel and Harriet are in Southwark (RG11 0521. F 127 p 27).
At some point they moved to Berkshire and had the following children:
Harriet Agnes, birth reg 1886 June - Cookham 2c 430
Edward Samuel, birth reg 1888 June - Cookham 2c 404
Thomas, born 21 June 1890, birth reg 1890 June - Cookham
John Robert, birth reg 1893 June - Cookham 2c 420
George Spencer, birth reg 1895 March - Cookham 22 425
Victoria Diamond Jubilee, born 7 April 1897 - Windsor
John born 11 December 1900, birth reg 1901 March - Windsor
The family were living in Maidenhead when the Cookham births were registered and in Windsor when the Windsor births were registered.
From the three certificates I bought, it seems that Samuel began to use Edward as a second name and finally, dropped the "Samuel" altogether by the time Victoria and John were born in Windsor, just calling himself Edward Bough.
From the postings back in 2007, you will have seen that the family was split up in the 1901 Census. Edward's wife, Harriet died later that year, on 30 October 1901 so maybe she was poorly at the time of the Census. I have never been able to trace Edward's death, although I was told by my partner's mother that he died when John was at a very young age.
Now the 1911 Census is here and I can find only three of the seven children!
John was at Mayford Industrial School in Surrey, Agnes (obviously dropped the Harriet) was in St Pancras, London and Edward "military" was in Alton, Hampshire.
Where are the other four? I'm unsure from your earlier posting whether your grandfather emigrated to Australia and died there or whether he died in England?
Sorry for the length of the posting. I look forward to hearing from you.
Nina
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My grandmother is Victoria Diamond Jubilee Bough born in Windsor England. I was trying to get some information on her as we have very little and found your site. She was a Bernardo child along with some other siblings and was sent to Canada. Apparently she did not discuss her past much as it was troublesome. She did marry Thomas Noakes in 1918 and had four children, John Ellen Gorden and Shirley. She did pass at the age of 53 in Windsor Ontario. If anyone has any further information I would much appreciate it.
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Hello
I have some very basic information about your grandmother.
I have a copy birth certicate: Victoria Diamond Jubilee Bough was born 7 April 1897 at 10 River Street, New Windsor. Father Edward Bough, a lodging house keeper and mother Harriet Bough, formerly Hammond. My partner (a Bough) and I have visited Windsor and River Street is a road going down from Windsor Castle to the River Thames. The building that both your grandmother and my partner's father were born in was demolished many years ago, along with other buildings, and is now a car park.
A search on Ancestry shows that Victoria made a border crossing from Canada to the US in 1918, port of arrival St Albans, Vermont, US. I can't give a specific date as I don't have a worldwide subscription to Ancestry. Again on Ancestry, I found Victoria with husband Thomas and children John and Ellen arriving in Liverpool, England on 5 December 1922, having sailed on Cunard's ship Ausonia.
As I said in my previous post, Victoria's mother died 30 October 1901, when my partner's father, John was not even a year old. I understand that the father died when John was very young but I still haven't found his death registration. I can't find Victoria in 1911 census.
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Thank you so very much for your reply. I am Victoria the daughter of John Edward Noakes who was Victoria Diamond Jubilee"s son. Ellen and John were twins and born in Montreal Canada. Victoria and her husband Thomas met in Toronto, Canada. My father died in 2001 at 78years old. All his siblings have passed. As I said we didn't know much of my grandmother and only in later years found out she was a Bernardo child. I imagine the trip to Liverpool was a trip home for them but they did reside in Toronto and then Windsor Ontario. I have no idea what the entry into the US would have been. All the descendants of Victoria now live in either Toronto or Michigan. I live in Plymouth Michigan which was also where my Father lived. I imagine they are not in the 1911 census because they were sent to Canada. I was told by my Uncle that Victoria's father could not care for the children after his wife's death so he gave them up to the orphanage. So I guess that your partner is my Uncle. This is so amazing to finally find out some of this information about our heritage. I want to be able to pass this onto my children.
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Want to make a correction, that would make your husband my 2nd cousin. Sorry about that.
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Victoria BOUGHS age 10 sailed from Liverpool, arriving Canada 21 Mar 1908 aboard the "Dominion" with a Dr Barnardo's party.
Casalguidi :)
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thank you so much for your input. My cousin found this list today on Ancestory.com and it would seem that Victoria came by herself and no siblings were with her. It anyone has any info on the other siblings and where they ended up we would appreciate it. We all were in Canada but I wonder where the rest of her family went.
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Hello again
My name is Nina and I can tell you about three siblings of Victoria, your grandmother.
Agnes Harriet Bough, born 9 May 1886, married Harry Arthur SCOTTER on 4 Dec 1907, in Southwark, Surrey. Agnes had dropped the name Harriet, her father was named as Edward Bough, deceased, a licenced victualler. I haven't followed this line down - yet!
Edward Samuel Bough, born in 1888 was a soldier. I don't know who he married but, he stayed in the army and lived in Aldershot, Hampshire. My partner remembers him and his daughter, Queenie Agnes Bough, born 1911. Queenie married Jonathan Ernest BANCALARI on 26 Dec 1931 at the military church in Aldershot - the Garrison church. According to FreeBMD, a dau Bancalari was born in 1936, birth registered in Aldershot district in June quarter of that year. Both my partner and his sister remember someone they called "Bubbles" and I think this is probably that person.
John Bough, born 11 Dec 1900, married for the second time to Gladys Hyldred SMART on 7 Aug 1936. My partner and his sister are the only children of that marriage.
My partner and his sister were both surprised when I said their father was one of seven children, they knew only of the two I've mentioned above. We knew nothing about some of the children being sent to Barnardo homes, I just wondered why I couldn't find any of the four in the 1911 census.
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Sorry, I gave wrong information about Agnes Bough. She didn't marry in 1907 - I've just realised that I have her listed in 1911 as still single! She was a housemaid in Russell Square, London. It's definitely her, it states birthplace as Maidenhead, Berkshire.
I'll just delete that marriage from my programme.
Look forward to hearing from you again.
Nina
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Hi Nina
Ok, so who we can see exactly who we are looking for ..................
1901 - 9 River Street, Clewer, New Windsor
Edward BOUGH head mar 40 lodging house keeper and general shop keeper b.Lambeth London
Harriett wife 39 b.Friar St London
Agnes dau 15 b.Maidenhead Berkshire
George son 6 b.Maidenhead
Victoria dau 4 b.Windsor
John son 4m b.Windsor
Eliza HAMMOND sister in law unm 20 domestic servant b.Boro' London
RG13/1169 folio 9 page 10
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1891 3a Market Street, Cookham, Berkshire
Harriett BOUGH head mar 27 wife (fish hawker) b.London
Harriett dau 5 b.Maidenhead
Edward son 3 b.Maidenhead
Thomas son 10m b.Maidenhead
Emily PERRY servant unm 18 general domestic servant b.London
RG12/1005 folio 39 page 34 and the preceding page.
1901 is equally helpful Huh
There is a Thomas BOUGH aged 10 born Maidenhead, Berkshire and this is the household:
Charles RICHARDS, Head, Mar, 22, Scene painter, own account, Ireland
Eliza RICHARDS, Wife, Mar 23, Hawker, own account, Liverpool, Lancs
Bella RICHARDS, dau, 3 Liverpool
Edward BOUGH, son!, 12, Maidenhead, Berkshire
Thomas as above
Robert BOUGH, son 8, Maidenhead
So who exactly are we now looking for post 1901?
Casalguidi :)
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Hi
Mother Harriet died in 1901, cannot find father Edward anywhere (including death indexes).
In 1911, I can find the following children:
Agnes as a housemaid in London
Edward in the army in Aldershot
Youngest son John in an industrial school in Mayfield, near Woking in Surrey.
Victoria had emigrated to Canada in 1908 - you have found this in the last day or so.
Since my posts earlier tonight, I have found that both George and John emigrated to Canada together in 1906, on the ship Dominion, leaving Liverpool 2 August 1906.
That leaves just Thomas unaccounted for in 1911, he would have been aged 21 then.
Nina
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You will find the army service record of Edward BOUGH on ancestry where he mentions his next of kin as sister Victoria and brother John. There is also details of his marriage and children.
Casalguidi :)
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So many unanswered questions. I am going to try and locate details of where my grandmother was sent in Canada through the Barnardo organization. I wonder if when they went to England in 1922 where they visited and if they made contact with Victorias family. I understand that my father John and twin sister Ellen were born while passing through Montreal and then it looks like within 2 months they sailed to Liverpool. I have not been able to locate the ships list of that journey. I am just starting on this quest so I have a lot to learn as to how to get to the information. I so appreciate all your help. I did understand that the reason the family was split up was because of the loss of their mother and the fathers inability to care for all the children with poverty being an issue. It is sad to think that some of the siblings didn't know how many there were. It would also seem that a lot of the relatives are possibly still in England and also maybe Australia. I would like to find out what happened to the other 2 that went to Canada. Thanks again. Victoria