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Title: The Adams Family
Post by: wookietoo on Saturday 31 March 07 13:57 BST (UK)
Couldn't resist that title  ;D

I'm hoping that somebody can help a poor muddled country bumpkin researcher.....

I'm stuck out here in Suffolk trying to solve a mystery.

I have Nathan Adams b c1811 in Battersea as a direct ancestor
He is on the 1851 census married to Mary Ann who was born in Paris
They have six children including Joseph who is 11 months, and Nathans mther Martha living with them.

I can't find them in the 1861 census at all

By 1871 he has a different wife - Jane born c1826 in St Dunston - and four children, only one of who appears to be one from 1851 - Joseph. One of these children is Sophia, who again is on my direct tree. As she is 18 on this census I really need to know whether she is a daughter of Mary Ann or Jane.

I can find no births marriages or deaths for the principal characters in this little drama, and would really appreciate any help that anybody here can offer. Frankly I don't know where to start !

Part of me would love Sophia to be the child of Mary Ann, as it looks possible that she could be a baby born from a trophy bride taken at Waterloo, which would be very romantic - but on the other hand it means my tree probably stops dead in France !!
Title: Re: The Adams Family
Post by: PaulineJ on Saturday 31 March 07 14:09 BST (UK)

1871 has four kids, does it?
Who, when & where for all, and we can try to  help.
All witholding already-obtained information does is frustrate efforts.

Pauline
Title: Re: The Adams Family
Post by: wookietoo on Saturday 31 March 07 14:15 BST (UK)
Sorry, I wasn't witholding, merely including what I thought was relevant - I didn't want to make the post too lengthy.

1871 shows Joseph 20 Sophia 18 Henry 16 Jane 14 all from various parts of South London
Title: Re: The Adams Family
Post by: Necromancer on Saturday 31 March 07 14:18 BST (UK)
1871 - RG10/426; Folio: 14; Page: 21 - WhiteFriars...

wont transcribe - merely posted as reference ...
Title: Re: The Adams Family
Post by: judi2632 on Saturday 31 March 07 14:18 BST (UK)
1861 Nathan Is a Widower in Strand Union Workhouse aged 51 a Copper Plate Printer, Birth given as Lamberth Surrey

Judi
Title: Re: The Adams Family
Post by: Tati on Saturday 31 March 07 14:18 BST (UK)
Not much help but I see that 3 of the children from 1851 are together in 1861

1861
RG9/181 99 24
Liberty of the Rolls
7 Kingsbury Place

Alfred Adams, head, 22, printer, b. Westminster
Emily, sister, 18, b. Surrey Lambeth
Frederick, brother, 15, b. do.  
Title: Re: The Adams Family
Post by: Tati on Saturday 31 March 07 14:30 BST (UK)
Now I really can't find little Joseph Samuel. He's 11 months in 1851 (born Clerkenwell) and 20 in 1871 (b. Westminster Mddx). Surely he must be somewhere in 1861 !!

I can't see a marriage for Nathan either - have you checked the complete index for marriage, Wookitoo?  :P
Title: Re: The Adams Family
Post by: wookietoo on Saturday 31 March 07 14:32 BST (UK)
So....am I reading this right ..... ?
Widower in 61 therefore all children in 1871 are over 10 so must either be from first marriage, or his second wife had been married before and the children took his name on the marriage ?
Title: Re: The Adams Family
Post by: wookietoo on Saturday 31 March 07 14:34 BST (UK)
have you checked the complete index for marriage

Sorry, gonna show my ignorance here....what do you mean by complete ?
I've searched from all angles on ancestry.com..........
Title: Re: The Adams Family
Post by: Tati on Saturday 31 March 07 14:52 BST (UK)
FreeBMD coverage is nearly complete for 1861-1871, but the full index can be searched here:
http://content.ancestry.co.uk/iexec/?htx=List&dbid=8965&offerid=0%3a7858%3a0

If we knew Jane's maiden name, we could try to check if the children were hers rather than Nathan's...

Title: Re: The Adams Family
Post by: wookietoo on Saturday 31 March 07 15:19 BST (UK)
ok well I just scoured it from 1861 to 1871 and there is nothing.
There's a Nathaniel in Kings Norton, which I know is Birminghm, and another in Brampton, no idea where that is. There is also an indeciperable one in the handwritten section - looks like Nanah which made me wonder - Q4 1862 Marylebone
Title: Re: The Adams Family
Post by: Necromancer on Saturday 31 March 07 15:24 BST (UK)
Think thats Norah ....
Title: Re: The Adams Family
Post by: wookietoo on Saturday 31 March 07 15:27 BST (UK)
ah yes  >:(
Title: Re: The Adams Family
Post by: apthorpea on Thursday 29 June 17 10:44 BST (UK)
I am trying to find out who was  Sophia Ann Adams mother and I think I may have found the answer.
In  the 1861 census Sophia Ann Adams lived at 28 Fleet Street, Parish of St Dunstan, City of London  she was working as a servant to Mary Ann Medwin a 25 year old seamstress who had a one year old son Henry Medwin, they also had a lodger an Elizabeth Cadbuth who  worked as a seamstress.  Although it records Sophia, spelt Sapiah, as  12 years of age she was 9 years old when the census was taken.
In the 1861 census Sophia's father  Nathaniel is an inmate at a workhouse as he is ill. He is  recorded as being a widower.  Mary Ann his wife would have died before 1861.   Reason why Nathaniel's  family were no longer living together   completely different to the 1871 census when he has a new wife Jane Adams.  Joseph Samuel, Sophia's brother is the only child recorded with both mother's. Nathaniel would have needed someone to look after the two youngest children while he was in the workhouse or they would have been sent to the workhouse. As yet I can find no record of them in the 1861 census or in a workhouse. Or a marriage certificate for Nathaniel and Jane. i suspect that Jane is probable a sister of Nathaniel's who is looking after the youngest children.  Recorded in the 'London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906',  Jane's babtism cert.  Mary Ann Adams is the mother of the youngest child born to Nathaniel Adams.  Still looking for the other children's certificates I have the two eldest children's Martha Julia Ann Adams, presumable she died as a baby as no record of her in the 1851 census and Alfred's cert..
Title: Re: The Adams Family
Post by: avm228 on Thursday 29 June 17 11:02 BST (UK)
This is a very old thread :)

I see that Nathan Adams (bachelor) married Mary Ann Brooke (spinster) at Holy Trinity Brompton (Kensington), 28 July 1834.
Title: Re: The Adams Family
Post by: wookietoo on Thursday 29 June 17 11:05 BST (UK)
If you are talking about Sophia Anne Adams who married John Apthorpe, which I assume you are, I have her parents as Mary Ann Brook 1816-1855 and Nathan Adams 1811-1873.
Mary Ann was born in Paris and died in Tothill Field Prison.
Sophia was my great great grandmother.
Title: Re: The Adams Family
Post by: avm228 on Thursday 29 June 17 11:11 BST (UK)
I have her parents as Mary Ann Brook 1816-1855 and Nathan Adams 1811-1873.

The birth of the youngest child in the 1871 census household, Jane Adams, was registered Sep qtr 1857 Clerkenwell with mmn Brooke - so I wonder how reliable the 1855 death for Mary Ann is?

Added: Jane's 1 Aug 1857 baptism at St John, Clerkenwell shows her birthdate as 3 July 1857; parents Nathan (a vintner) and Mary Ann, of 22 Pewter Platter Yard.
Title: Re: The Adams Family
Post by: avm228 on Thursday 29 June 17 11:14 BST (UK)
This death looks possible for Mary Ann, who was recorded as aged 35 in the 1851 census:

Mary Ann Adams aged 44, Dec qtr 1859 Holborn 1b 337.
Title: Re: The Adams Family
Post by: apthorpea on Thursday 29 June 17 11:28 BST (UK)
Hi yes sorry for opening old research, Jane Adams the youngest daughter of Nathaniel Adams and Mary Ann Adams  baptism record is on the 1 Aug 1857.  Father's Name   Nathan Adams, mother's name Mary Ann Adams.  Would leave Mary Ann as dying between 1857 and 1861.  Unless I have the wrong Jane Adams.
Record Type   Baptism
Baptism Date   1 Aug 1857
Father's Name   Nathan Adams
Mother's Name   Mary Ann Adams
Parish or Poor Law Union Clerkenwell St John
Borough   Islington
Register Type   Parish Registers  i am trying to find a similar record for Sophia.  R Angela
Title: Re: The Adams Family
Post by: avm228 on Thursday 29 June 17 11:42 BST (UK)
I am trying to find a similar record for Sophia.

She may or may not have been baptised - but her birth was registered:

Sophia Anna Adams, mother's maiden name Brooke, Sep qtr 1852 Clerkenwell 1b 421.

I suggested an 1859 death for Mary Ann a couple of posts ago.
Title: Re: The Adams Family
Post by: apthorpea on Thursday 29 June 17 13:16 BST (UK)
London, England, City of London and Tower Hamlets Cemetery Registers, 1841-1966  Mary Ann Adams aged 45, Birth Date 1814, Burial Date 20 Nov 1859.  Burial Place London, England.  Ref. CTHC/01/009.  This could be a possible match for Mary Ann.  R Angela