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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs => Topic started by: chinakay on Thursday 29 March 07 16:48 BST (UK)
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Aren't they a handsome pair! It's hard to tell with all the hair (or maybe lack of it) but I think they are father and son. What do you think?
A very quick tidy would be nice, please, just a spot and a little tear at the right. It's in very good shape, and I think the date would be about 1895-1900...does anyone have any better idea of a date?
Sure wish I knew who they were... :P
Cheers,
China
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They definately look related to me, China.
There is a similarity round the eyes & eyebrows...& the general shape of the brow.
Romilly.
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Ooo...China...what a gorgeous photo and in such good condition too...I didn't mess with it...it needed so little work :D...jusy a little tidy!....I agree with Romilly...they look like Dad and his Lad to me too :D
T.T.
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.....and a black and white one for you ;)...meant to post it yesterday but forgot ::)
T.T.
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Those are beautiful, TT, thank you very much. It really is a super photo, isn't it. I hope I can make a good guess as to who they are.
Cheers,
China
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Hi China,
Are they relatives of yours, do you think?
Romilly.
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China.
By the looks, I would say the (Young) man sitting is in His 50's, & the 'Man of Years' standing is 70+!
Man of Years has a Very Victorian Dress Style & Manner
Were as the Youngster has a more Edwardian look about Him! (Firm, Self-Assured & Looking Straight at [through] the Camera)
So, I would Guess the Date of the Photo to be C1910 :-\
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It is a wonderful picture and I would say that there is a strong likeness - father and son most likely.
Gadget
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Sorry I forgot to say (I agree with Gadget), They are Most Definately Related!
Also, If My Guesstimate at their Ages Is right, They therefore Must be Father & Son!
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Good catch, Pegasuss...I hadn't noticed that the older man isn't looking at the camera but the younger one is. It does make a difference in their demeanour, doesn't it.
I hope they are related to me...just a wild guess that they might be Campbells. The photo came from the side of the family that used to be Campbell. Of course there's no law against possessing a photo of somone who isn't family... :P
Cheers all,
China
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China.
My 6th Sense was Telling Me that The Younger Man (particularly) Looked to Me to Be of Scottish Ancestry!
I did'nt bother mentioning it Before, but Now You Mention 'CAMPBELLS'!
P.S.
I should Trust My 6th Sense More, It was Instrumental in Me Discovering (the Longtime Ellusive) Birth of one of My Maternal 2x Grt-Grandmothers! ::) ;)
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Lovely restores TT :o :o Well done you!!
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The Campbell ancestor came from around Belfast, which has a large contingent of Campbells. As I understand it, the Scotch-Irish didn't mix with the Irish-Irish much, so Northern Ireland might as well have been Scotland...
But I haven't found the family yet.
Cheers,
China
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Dangerous talk there, China :-\
Northern Ireland was intensively 'plantationed' by Scots in the ? 17th- 18th century. Lots of info on Google.
Gadget
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I just noticed something... is this the same person?
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No, they're not the same. But they could be brothers...
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China.
Yes, it does Look like It!
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Ignore My Last Comment!
They have Different Noses!
The Military Gent has a Flatter Nose!
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And the ears are really different.
Incidentally, it's not a military uniform...it's some kind of benevolent organization I think. Recognise it, anyone? (The IOF never got back to me so I still don't have a clue :P)
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The older man is most likely eighty or more. The younger maybe sixty I would think.
Jack J.
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Hmmm...how bout seventy/fifty? No moisturisers etc... ;D
Cheers,
China
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I'm no good at guessing ages but they do look related.
Caz
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China.
I think this Benevolent Gent Is the same one as in the Other Photo, His Ears are Pushed Down by the Hat! ;)
I tried Googling to see If I could find anything on 'Benevolant Societies', No Luck! ???
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The uniform is probably a Colonial Officier's Dress Uniform and he may have been done to the nine's for Victoria's Diamond Jubilee or something similar. Do you have a date for the photo that may match up to such an event?
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Hi China,
I think it is the same man. Look at those cheek bones! And he's not looking at the camera, he's looking up. At first glance, I'd say it was the same man
Ursula
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Picture was taken in Montreal, maybe 1915-1920 or so...he died in 1922 at the age of 75. My aunt thought it was an International Order of Foresters outfit, of which he was apparently a local dignitary. But I couldn't find anything in the way of historic uniforms at their website, and when I emailed them (and a couple of other organizations) the picture no-one bothered to reply.
Cheers,
China
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I looked at the Ancient Order of Forresters, The Odd Fellows and even the Salvation Army but when my husband showed me some photos of the Colonial Dignitaries I must say I thought that was it ! Will have to send you a scan to tomorrow!
Mog
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China.
I thought of the Forresters, But like You could'nt find anything on Google to back up my Hunch! ::) ???
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Who are the "Colonial Dignitaries"...?
C
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How about this thingy?
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I have found a website for the International Sword Collectors Association who have a section about Fraternal Society Swords and they say they welcome enquiries. Perhaps they could name the society from the sword ?
http://hometown.aol.com/machood/frat.html
There are some pictures of fraternal society swords and some descriptions
Can anyone tell from the photograph what the top of the sword - the pommel is - is it an animal ?
mog
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Have been doing some more googling
Have found for Montreal the following websites
http://www.standrews.qc.ca/
St Andrews Society Montreal formed 1835 to support Scottish Imigrants - there is also an article about a burial site they bought which was needed to bury causualties from the SS Montreal, most of whom were Scottish and a number named Campbell
also
http://www.stpatricksociety.com/
The St Patrick's Society who assisted the Irish imigrants
Both sites welcome enquiries
Both organisations still in existance today
mog
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Also found a site showing friendly societies in Montreal having a Celtic interest
http://www.geocities.com/mocc2000/associations.html#andrews
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How about this one ?
http://www.mccord-museum.qc.ca/en/collection/artifacts/II-59274.1§ion=196
from the Musee McCord Canada - Photographic collection showing
E.-P. Lachapelle who was elected to Montreal City Council as a member of the reform group that was in power from 1910 to 1914. He strove to improve management of the City's Board of Health and to expand its powers with respect to sanitary inspection.
Photographed in 1880 by the Notman & Sandham studio, E.-P. Lachapelle is wearing the uniform of the officers of the 65th Battalion of Rifles (Mount Royal Rifles). The black cocked hat with a plume of white and black feathers and the sabre indicate his rank, which is lieutenant-colonel.
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Cheshire.
There are Really Similarities!
The Belt Strap (across the Chest) is Almost Indentical, as is the Hat! :-\
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Wow, mog, have you ever been busy!
I had a look at all the sites and I'd never thought of any of them before. I was totally fixated on the Foresters, which my aunt had written on the back of the photo. The St Andrew's Society did have a Wm. Paterson as a member, so it could have been him.
I emailed them the photo, and also the sword collector people. I will certainly keep you all apprised of any results!! Many, many thanks for your help!
How'd you like to do some laundry for me as well ;D ;D ;D
Cheers,
China
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Well China
It was my husband who found out most of the info and he's definately useless at doing laundry and he can't operate the hoover either! ;D
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Please thank your husband very much for me!
It was the sword, wasn't it? ;D
Cheers,
C
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Well, the sword people were able to pin down William's uniform! See the new thread, William's regalia identified.
Cheers,
China
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Hi China
I am a bit late with this, I forgot I had it :-[.
I just want to say what a striking man the older gent his, he has lovely bone structure, he would have been a very handsome young man :D :D
I was wondering why the younger gent is sneering, he doesn't look impressed at all :-\ :-\ !!
Cheers Lones
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Lones, that's incredible! Just beautiful, thank you so much!
I never thought of the younger man as sneering, I think it's just as Pegasuss pointed out, the elder man has a deferential look to him, as he isn't looking at the camera, where the younger has a more confident look.
But...you've got me thinking...who is the younger man? Well, not that I wasn't thinking that already :D But now I have a theory...watch for a new thread about Young William...
Cheers,
China
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That is really lovely, Lones :)
No need for Nija on this at all and I love the colouring.
I don't think he's sneering, really. It could be that it was a long exposure and he had to keep a fixed pose ???
Gadget
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Gadget.
My thoughts exactly!
He was probably so Tense (by the time the Photograph was taken), that He looks a bit Uptight! ::) ;)
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Thank you ladies, I am glad you like my colouring ;D ;D.
Sneering or not, I still don't think he looks happy, his lip is curled and his nose is screwed up one side, maybe he was sitting on something uncomfortable? :-\ :-\
Gadget, keep your little Ninja dude handy you never know when we might need him. I still haven't had time to google it yet, but I will!!
Cheers
Lones 8) 8)