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Can anyone help me find this Ledsam family in any of the above census. In 1891 they are at 214, Hagley Road.
Ann m Ledsam wid 57 lvg own means bn B'ham
Henry F C S Ledsam son 26 act clerk law bn Edgbaston
Charlotte E A Ledsam dau 28 "
Alice M S Ledsam dau 25 "
Wm. F J Ledsam son 22 clerk "
Ed. Alf. G S Ledsam son 21 undergrad. Oxon "
Eleanor LC C Ledsam neice 23 lvng owmn means "
With all the children born in Edgbaston they seem to have a fairly stable location & mum & 3 children are still there in 1901, but I have drawn a blank in 1881 & earlier. I suppose the children may have been away at school in 1881 but where is Ann?
Would be pleased to find them on just one census. Can anyone help please?
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Check out this family on the 1881 living in Edgbaston
Joseph Leddam
1824
born B'ham - 1st page
William Leddam 1869 B'ham, Warwickshire - 2nd page
It covers 2 pages and on the second page the surname looks like Ledsam
RG11 2955; Folio 10 Page 11
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Give me a shout if you can't find it
Tricia
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Thanks Tricia you're a star. Now I just feel dumb & not for the first time!! Having the father's name is a bonus & a French cousin too.
Many thanks.
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1871 - very difficult to read
207 Hagley Road Edgabaston
Joseph Ledsam Head 49 born Edgbaston
Anna Wife born Birmingham
George M son 14 born Edgbaston
Charlotte E dau 8 born Edgbaston
Henry .....? son 6 born Edgbaston
Alice dau 5 born Edgbaston
William F son 2 born Egdbaston
Edward A G S 1 born Edgbaston
& 6 servants
Occupation of Joseph difficult to read - could be Mil - then 2 initials J.P which fits in with 1881
RG10/3082 Folio 9 Page 11
Tricia
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Another surprise for you!!!
1861
233 Hagley Road Edgbaston
Joseph Ledsome Head 37 Widower Justice of the Peace and Land Propietor born Edgbaston
Joseph son 6 born Edgbaston
George son 4 born Edgbaston
& a cook, nurse and housemaid
RG9/2124 Folio 44 Page 39.
Tricia
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This is the nearest match I can see on 1851
4 Court 8 House
Lawrence Street, Birmingham
Joseph Led..am -difficult to decipher, Head, 27 Mechanic born Birmingham
Eliza Ledam wife born Birmingham
& a lodger
HO107/ 2054; Folio 204 Page 22
Can't see any other possibility
Tricia
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On the 1841 there is a Joseph Ledsam age 17, Boarding pupil at the King Edward School, New St, Birmingham
Name spelt clearly - doesn't help with parents, though
HO107/1146/2 Birmingham
Folio 43 Page 6
Tricia
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Hi Tricia,
I don't know what to say!! Can I send you my tree? I'm sure you'd have it all finished by the end of the week!! A previous marriage too! But he certainly favoured Hagley Road, just couldn't decide which house he liked best!! Wouldn't mind 6 servants myself. Thank you doesn't seem enough but THANK YOU you're a star.
Oh my word now you've posted an entry from 1851. Well it's a possibility but he doesn't sound like the sort of man that got his hands dirty to me. I shall attempt to look at FreeBMD for the death of a Ledsam wife but I'll have to leave it until tomorrow as some of us need sleep to miss these entries!!
Whoops there you go again yes, the 1841 census entry must be him & I expect you'll have his parents for me before I can sign off, what is your secret? Do you have sat.nav for census entries?
You certainly are an expert,
Thanks again
Kay
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This is really sad - went to bed thinking of your Joseph and realised that Mil on the 1871 is really Nil as in 'no occupation' ;D ;D
Funny you should say that about his parents - his birth is on the IGI on Family Search and it is an extracted record from the Parish records so should be accurate
Here you go -
Joseph Ledam
Christening: 26 JAN 1824 Edgbaston, Warwick, England
Parents:
Father: JOSEPH LEDSAM
Mother: ELIZABETH ANN ASHTON
Also:
Frederick George Ledsam
Christening 30th Dec 1826
Parents:
Joseph Frederic Ledsam
Elizabeth Ann Ashton
Ann Julia Ledsam
Christened 28th Nov 1828 Edgbaston
Parents:
Joseph Frederick Ledsam
Elizabeth Ann Ashton
William Ledsam
Christened 8th Dec 1832
Parents:
Joseph Frederick Ledsam
Elizabeth Ann Ashton
Emily Agnes Ledsam born 2/9/1834
Christened 23/10/1834
Parents:
Joseph Frederick Ledsam
Elizabeth Ann Ashton
James Goddington Ledsam
born 9th August 1836
christened 3rd May 1837 Edgbaston
Parents:
Joseph Frederick Ledsam
Elizabeth Ann Ashton
;D Tricia
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Having found those children this looks like them on the 1841 though head of family is recorded as Frederick(his second name) and the surname could be Lediam or Ledsam
1841
Chad's Lane, Edgbaston
Frederick Ledsam 50
Elizabeth 48
Frederick 14
William 8
Emily 6
James 4
HO107/1151/3 Kings Norton, Edgbaston
Folio 41
Page 32
No other information given on the 1841
Tricia
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What a fantastic family to research - look at 1851 - just in case we weren't sure Elizabeth's full name appears and Joseph Senior's occupation!!!!
1851
Harborne Road Edgbaston
Joseph Fredk Ledsam Head 59 Landed Prop. & Deputy Lieut. and Magistrate born Birmingham
Eliz. Ann Ashton Ledsam Wife 58 born Aston Warks
Fredk Geo son Unmar, 24, Ba...(?) Cambridge born Edgbaston
Wm son 18 Unmar Articled clerk to a solicitor born Edgbaston
Ellen Tymbs visitor 29 born Worcester
& 9 assorted staff and visitors
Do you have access to these census records? If not and you want a full list let me know
HO107/2049 Folio 280 Page 32
Tricia
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Hi, Kay
I'll leave it at that now but if you need any more help with this family just post it on here and I'll have a go
Best of luck, Tricia
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Hi Tricia,
You have done more than enough thank you. One of my Allsops married Henry Ledsam & I realised that they were quite a 'well to do' family (anyone with 4 christian names is well to do in my book!) & was curious as to how they had made their fortune (am still trying to make mine!). I can access the census on ancestry at the library now that you have given me the details but I was looking for Ann rather than Anna when I looked. The trouble is there's a 2 hour time limit & with lots of people to look up I tend to give up & look for someone else if I don't get anywhere quickly as there are not many oppurtunities to visit in opening hours. If I had access at home I could afford to be more patient!
Sorry the Ledsams kept you awake last night! You weren't the only one,I was really tired but couldn't sleep because I felt I'd been a little rude skulking off to bed when you were so busy looking for answers to my query!! It was difficult to knucle down to work today also & then when I finally got online again tonight I find you've got me back another generation!! Wow!
Thanks so much for everything, I'm a little embarrassed you found it all so quickly, it's a bit like on 'who wants to be a millionaire' when they ask the audience and 99% know the answer! But I'm so grateful, you've saved me so much time. You're a star!
Good luck with your searches,
Kay
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You are more than welcome and don't forget to ask if you want anything else.
Tricia
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Hi Tricia,
I hate to bother you so soon again but I have another little problem(actually I have a lot of little problems, but I shan't write a book!). I wondered if you could find John Alsop/Allsop born 1829 in Dublin in the 1901 census. He had spent all his life in Birmingham & is found lodging at 171, Bristol Road, Edgbaston in 1891 when he was listed as an artist. He was at 81 Bristol Road with his mother & sister in 1881 but they'd died by 1891 so he is likely to be a lodger or boarder I suppose.
I think he died Mch qtr 1909 in Birmingham but if this is not my man (I don't have the certificate) I suppose he might have died pre census. Equally I know he had painted scenes of the Isle of Arran so he may have been away on census night, but if you were able to cast your expert eye over the Bristol Road area & say he's not there, I shall be happy to move on.
Feel free to say no & I shall place a 'new topic' request & please don't lose any sleep over it!
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Sorry, can't spot him anywhere, Kay :'(
Tricia
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Thanks for looking Tricia, now you've looked for me I'm confident he's not there & that I'm not just missing him!
Kay
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Hi Kay
Dont know if you are still researching the Ledsam Family but I just thought you might like to know that Emily Agnes Ledsam was my great great grandmother. She married a Henry Sheppard and eventually settled in Ireland on the Tipperary/Offaly border. How are you connected to this family?
J
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Hi,
I am always interested in more research, it is finding the time that is the problem! Henry Thomas Clutton Salt Ledsam married Lucy Sophia Alsop. Her great grandfather's brother was my husband's 3x Gt Gd father. It's quite a distant link, but I have had a lot of fun tracing them.
Are you interested in tracing the Ledsams? I think I did get some information on them when I visited Birmingham archives. I can send you detail of what I have on them if you wish. Let me know.
Kay
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Hi there all Ledsam relatives,
I am researching the Ledsam family tree, my grandfather was James Goddington Ledsam, his parents were George Moreton and Anne nee Lamrock, George Moreton's parents were Joseph Ledsam and Frances "Fanny" Barbara nee Jackson, Joseph Ledsam married twice and his second wife was Anna Clara (Anna Maria) Salt.
The Ledsam family were a very rich family and owned lots of property in Birmingham, they are also owned Weoley Castle
Regards Janene
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Hi Janene,
Good to hear from a second Ledsam family member. Also good to see where the Salt name came from. I don't have a huge amount of information, but am willing to share anything I have. There are many documents relating to the Ledsam family in Birmingham Archives, including I think a pamplett about the ownership of Weoley Castle. I see you are in Oz, I would be interested to hear which generation travelled out.
Kay
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Hi again,
George Moreton was the second son of Joseph Ledsam (he had an older brother Joseph who died when he was 15) and his mother Frances Jackson died when George was 3, so Joseph Moreton married again to Anna Clara (Anna Maria) Salt and then they had 4 more children. Apparently when George got older he didn't get along with his stepmother and there was some sort of fight and George went to Sydney, Australia where he met Ann Lamrock a divorced mother of one girl, they married and had 5 children and one of them was my grandfather James Goddington Ledsam, he married Mary Mabel Payne and they had 8 children one of which is my mother Gwendoline June, I hope that all makes sense.
Whereabouts are you from?
I went to England in 2010 and had a tour of the Weoley Castle Ruins, it was wonderful.
Regards Janene
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How interesting. When you mentioned James Goddington previously, I thought you meant the one born 1836, but from your last reply I can see that you are talking about a nephew of the same name. I shall send you a personal message later with my e-mail address so that we can discuss things further. I can already tell you that Joseph & Ann Maria Salt had a further 5 children that I know of & I might be able to put you in contact with a couple of their descendants.
I am in Wales, I spent a day researching in Birmingham, but my interest was really the Alsops who married into the Ledsams, so I didn't do the Ledsams justice when I was there When I retire, I hope to spend at least a week there, but at 51, I have a way to go!!, I can take you back to Thomas born 1740, but being an educated man, George Moreton possibly documented that for his descendants.
Kay
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Hi Kay, Long time since we have spoken. I hope you are well. Still looking at bits and pieces to do with the Ledsam family. My cousin's wife actually did a whole book on the family, so probably know it all by now. I probably won't make it back to England again due to ill health but I so pleased I got to go and see Weoley Castle. I wish I could be a fly on the wall to see all that happened in their family and I wonder if there are any relatives around. I did a DNA test with ancestry but haven't had many matches from England. I have had a match with someone in America and sent a message last year but he hasn't replied. Looking forward to see if you have done any more research. Thanks Janene