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Researching the BAX family from Ockley, Capel and Dorking.
Maiden names of females in the family tree:
SMITH
LEHMAN/ LEMMON
FRIDAY
STREET
HOLLANDS ( Kent)
Regards
Kathryn
Abu Dhabi
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Hi Kathryn,
I have parish records for Capel & Dorking. In the next few days I'll check-out the name BAX for you, anything specific?
The world is a small place, I'm in Jordan and I notice you're in Abu Dhabi ;)
Jane
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Hello Jane
It is a small world! Thank you for replying to my posting. I have a Thomas BAX born 1803 , although 1881 census records has him born 1801. He married Sarah MILLER in Dorking 28.5.1827. Can I confirm that?
Also, I think this Thomas BAX's parents were Martin BAX and Mary Friday but want confirmation of this. IGI online has the following entry:
Thomas BAX born 12 July 1803
Christening 14 August 1803, West Street Independent, Dorking
Parents given as above.
Now, were there other Thomas BAX's or can I safely say that the man who married Sarah MILLER was the same Thomas BAX born to Martin BAX?
As most of this family were Quakers I am wondering if this lot will be on your parish records. ??? Here's hoping!
Many Thanks
Kathryn
Abu Dhabi
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Hi Kathryn,
Annoyingly the Dorking transcripts do not have any marriages, I am frantically looking for an early marriage in Dorking myself. Maybe someone has another resource that would give you that information.
I had a quick look through the fiche last night, the majority of BAX (E) or BEX seem to be in CApel, a few in Dorking and a handful of marriages (30) on the Sussex marriage index that I have and yes a couple of Quaker marriages recorded there. Your family seem to be following the same pattern as mine, West Sussex migrating north into West Surrey. The name FRIDAY is familiar to me as a Mary Ann Friday married into the BRAVERY family that I'm researching.
I will put thought & time into what you've just told me & send you my findings, hopefully today if I finish my housework ;)
Jane
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Hi Kathryn,
had a scout round the baptism's & burials for Capel & Dorking at St. Martins the Parish church. No MARTIN Bax mentioned for Capel or Dorking. No THOMAS mentioned of the dob you gave in either parish, so looks like that might be in the Quaker records. That was the bad news. The good news is that I have what appears to be baptism's of possible children of Thomas & Sarah, all Dorking St. Martins
October 7 1827, Thomas son to Thomas & sarah Bax of PIXOM Lane. Just 5 months after the marriage ::)
November 23 1828, Sarah daughter to Thomas & Sarah Bax of Back Lane.
August 29 1830, Mary daughter to Thomas & Sarah Bax of Back Lane.
January 6 1833, Elizabeth daughter to Thomas & Sarah Bax of Back Lane.
April 12 1835, Jane daughter to Thomas & Sarah Bax of Westcott.
February 26 1837, Rebecca daughter to Thomas & Sarah Bax of Westcott.
Now I don't know if Thomas & sarah of Back Lane & Westcott are one & the same. You need to look for marriages to establish that. At around the same time in Dorking were Edward & Ann Bax, married before Thomas & Sarah as they have a son, William in 1822 and they are from Pixom Lane, so my guess is that he is a brother to Thomas.
If Thomas's parents were Quaker it would appear that Thomas didn't follow that tradition.
Hope this has been of help & not a hinderence,
Jane
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I understand Quaker records are kept in the National Archives in Kew.
Here's the link
http://www.quaker.org.uk/library/guides/libgenea.html
I cannot get to Kew, but can visit the Surrey History Centre (county archives) for non-Quaker stuff, but they are soon to close for three weeks' stocktaking.
Ray
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Thank you Jane and Ray for the advice and help.
I was thrilled to see the birth records. Yes, by the looks of it , due to the untimely pregnancy the son must have been ex-communicated by the Quakers. ;)
Ray, any extra help on your behalf would be more than appreciated. No rush. The dead aren't going anywhere. Just pleased to be helped by so many people on this list.
Many thanks to both of you
Regards
Kathryn
Abu Dhabi
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Hi Kathryn,
Glad that was of some help. I don't have experience of Quaker records but there was an article in a family history magazine about it, so I'll read-up on it & pass anything along to you. In the meantime take a look at the parish records available at the Surrey History Centre, http://www.surreycc.gov.uk/sccwebsite/sccwspages.nsf/LookupWebPagesByTITLE_RTF/Guide+to+parish+registers+held+at+Surrey+History+Centre?opendocument
You will find reference to West Street Chapel and their records. I'm going to have a closer look at the Capel records & see if anything useful presents itself there. There do appear to be more by the name of BAX there than in Dorking.
Try posting a look-up request on the 'Common Room' page at Rootschat for those marriages, they might appear on the BVRI or Pallots index which is general to the UK.
Jane
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Many thanks Jane for all your help, advice and the link.
I shall have a peek now.
Regards
Kathryn
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Hi Kathryn,
Had a good look through the Capel records and found the following. By the way, all the Bax entries from Dorking were Ag labs.
11/7/1802, William son to William Bax (born at the George Inn in Bear Green)
I'm not sure where he fits in as Bear Green is in Sussex & the dates are all wrong for the following couple.
William Bax married Mary Jordan 3/11/1802 (both single)
22/4/1804 Ann daughter to William & Mary
17/7/1808, Mary daughter to William.
13/1/1810, William son to William & Mary.
17/5/1812, Ruth daughter to William & Mary (born 7/4/1812)
25/5/1815, Susanna daughter to William & Mary, Kitland, Farmer.
23/8/1818, Rebecca daughter to William & Mary, Kitland, farmer.
10/11/1822, Edward son to William & Mary, farmer.
This appears to be the only couple in the name of Bax having children in Capel, all the other entries are much earlier,
Jane
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Jane
Many thanks for those entries. I have printed them off and will see if I can place them in the tree, which is now ever growing thanks to people like you. :D
Regards
Kathryn
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You're welcome Kathryn.
What are you doing in Abu Dhabi anyway?
Jane
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Hi,
Have had a look on the 1841 census for Surrey and found the following:
HO107/1081/8 folio's 16/16b
Parish/township Dorking
Place Westcot
Thomas Bax age 35 Ag.Lab Born in county
Sarah Bax age 35 -ditto-
Thomas Bax age 14 -ditto-
Sarah " age 13 "
Mary " age 10 "
Elizabeth " age 8 "
Jane " age 6 "
Rebecca " age 4 "
Caroline " age 3 months "
I believe the adults ages were rounded down to the 5 year mark so Thomas and Sarah could be anything from 35 to 39.
From the information given to you by Jane and the above it looks as though the Thomas and Sarah of Back Lane are the same as Thomas and Sarah of Westcot. Back Lane could be part of Westcot.
Anyway I hope this might be of help.
Regards
Magrat
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Dear Magrat
You are most kind. Thank you. Every bit helps!
Regards
Kathryn
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Hi Kathryn
just seen your surname intrests on this list
My intrests is in the Friday surname have you
any information on Mary Ann Friday m Martin Bax
not sure if she is related to my Friday line of Dorking
Regards
Lozz
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Dear Lozz
Aplogies for the tardy reply but I have had a crash and burn situation with my computer and am finally back online. Not with standing that I lost a lot of my research in the process!!
I don't have much on Mary FRIDAY except that she was born on 16 Jan 1780 in Dorking and was the daughter of James Friday and Elizabeth SMITH. She married Martin BAX on the 15th Sept 1797 in Dorking. They had 3 children:
Thomas
William
James
If you have more than this I would be interested to learn more.
Regards
Kathryn
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:)Hi Kathryn
Sorry for the delay in answering you but have been away
sorry i have no more information on Mary Friday do have a feeling that her father maybe a brother to my John Friday but as yet need to find the connection i do have a copy of the marriage banns for Martin Bax and Mary Friday I also have a copy of her baptism 16/1/1780 father James Friday Mother Lydia Foster married 24/7/1771 Dorking
Regards
Lorraine
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Dear Lorraine
Thank you for your reply. Hope you had a good holiday. Would you mind sharing these documents that you have and sending them as an attacchment to my email address?
I would be very grateful.
Regards
Kathryn
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Hi Kathryn
Would send you the copies that i have but not sure how
you do this on this site if you know how could you send me
instructions and i will give it a try
regards
Lozz
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Dear Lorraine
Thank you very much. :D My personal email is : Removed
I look forward to hearing from you.
Kathy
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Hi - I chanced upon this page today and saw the following posted by Jane:
"Had a good look through the Capel records and found the following. By the way, all the Bax entries from Dorking were Ag labs.
11/7/1802, William son to William Bax (born at the George Inn in Bear Green)
I'm not sure where he fits in as Bear Green is in Sussex & the dates are all wrong for the following couple."
This William is my direct ancestor and I have tracked him.... Bear Green is very close to Capel, Surrey, although across the county border in Sussex and there is still a pub there called the Bax castle. It appears that these Baxes were escapees from the strong Quaker Bax family in Capel (See the book on them by Thistlethwaite).
Not sure how this links with Kathryn's original query, but if I can help via my family tree, let me know!
Stephen Bax
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Kathryn,
There is a BAX family album which includes information going back to the 16th Century. My mother has one copy - believe there 3 in existence (lives in France so difficult to get hold of quickly), but growing up was great interest finding out my mother's family history (to eventually coming down to my mother's name - Mary Haines Moline). Majority of the Bax's / Pritchards etc lived in Surrey - but a few moved further.
James
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Hi James
This sounds terribly exciting. Would you like to contact me on my email address so that we can swop information?
I have a lot of info and a tree going back to 1510.
Regards
Kathryn
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James
My email address is:
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Regards
Kathryn
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John Bax b1510 at Oakley Surrey is one of my 10th G grandfathers
I believe the Bax family were Quakers, converted to Quaker belief when George Fox visited Surrey
Does anyone know which Quaker meeting they would have attended. The closest would have been at Dorrking
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Hi wilbur
Welcome back, you signed up years ago but never posted! ;D
Kathryn hasn't been online here for a couple of months but should receive an email notification that you have posted and hopefiully come back soon.
Dawn
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Yes, I am still here. I pop in from time to time.
The Bax family were indeed Quakers and very wealthy landowners in their day. They owned Ockley Manor, Pleystowe Farm and many others in the area of Ockley, Capel and Dorking.
It is my understanding that the early Baxes met in their homes in Capel for their Quaker meetings. You may like to follow this up here: http://www.capelvillage.co.uk/about-capel-vilag
In addition, the best book on the Bax family, that gives the family tree for about 11 lines, is the book by Bernard Thistlethwaite. I have seen a copy in the archives, and it is excellent. You can find a copy in London at the Society of Genealogists. This should be your starting point. Can't recommend it more highly. You will also be able to view some old wills here for the Bax family.
The Bax family : an account of the early Quaker Baxes of Capel & Ockley, Surrey with particulars & notes on a number of allied families
IN: Pedigree 7 from Bernard Thistlethwaite's The Bax family; as herein noted, extended & corrected being an extract from Bax descendants; a sequel
Published London : Headley Brothers, 1936
Author Thistlethwaite, Bernard
Acc. no. 11405
Location Family history shelves Shelf mark FH/BAX
Book
2.
Pedigree 7 from Bernard Thistlethwaite's The Bax family; as herein noted, extended & corrected being an extract from Bax descendants; a sequel
IN: Bax descendants; a sequel
Published 1980
Author King, K Patricia
Acc. no. 49782a Source D: K King
Location Ireland shelves Shelf mark FH/BAX
Book
Regards
Kathryn
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Yes, I am still here. I pop in from time to time.
The Bax family were indeed Quakers and very wealthy landowners in their day. They owned Ockley Manor, Pleystowe Farm and many others in the area of Ockley, Capel and Dorking.
It is my understanding that the early Baxes met in their homes in Capel for their Quaker meetings. You may like to follow this up here: http://www.capelvillage.co.uk/about-capel-vilag
In addition, the best book on the Bax family, that gives the family tree for about 11 lines, is the book by Bernard Thistlethwaite. I have seen a copy in the archives, and it is excellent. You can find a copy in London at the Society of Genealogists. This should be your starting point. Can't recommend it more highly. You will also be able to view some old wills here for the Bax family.
The Bax family : an account of the early Quaker Baxes of Capel & Ockley, Surrey with particulars & notes on a number of allied families
IN: Pedigree 7 from Bernard Thistlethwaite's The Bax family; as herein noted, extended & corrected being an extract from Bax descendants; a sequel
Published London : Headley Brothers, 1936
Author Thistlethwaite, Bernard
Acc. no. 11405
Location Family history shelves Shelf mark FH/BAX
Book
2.
Pedigree 7 from Bernard Thistlethwaite's The Bax family; as herein noted, extended & corrected being an extract from Bax descendants; a sequel
IN: Bax descendants; a sequel
Published 1980
Author King, K Patricia
Acc. no. 49782a Source D: K King
Location Ireland shelves Shelf mark FH/BAX
Book
Regards
Kathryn
My word
That's fantastic
We actually have a copy of the Bax Family B look by Bernard Thistlethwaite
He is a cousin of mine
Steve
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Lucky you! In the end I had to just photocopy the relevant pages I wanted. Would love a copy, but finding one is like finding hen's teeth.
Enjoy!
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Hello Kathryn
I have a copy of the Thistlethwaite book which I no longer require. Please get in touch.
Peter Reid
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Hi Peter
Kathryn hasn't been online here for a while but should have recieved an email notification of your reply.
You may just have to keep your fingers crossed she reads it and comes back at some point.
Dawn
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I have PDF copies of both books and could allow anyone interested access to them
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Hi Wilbur
A long shot - are any Longhurst families mentioned?
The surname is very Surrey/Sussex centric and can be found in parish records going back to the 16th century and other documents held at Woking.
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I don’t think so Dawn
Sorry
Steve Ringer
I could allow you to access the PDF file for yourself if you are interested.woukd need your email address though
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Hi Steve
I've sent you a personal message.
Thanks
Dawn
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HVe sent you an email with the PDF Version of the Bax Family History as an attachment
Click on it and you will be able to view it, but you will not be able to make alterations
Regards
Steve Ringer
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I could also allow access to The PDF version of Patricia King’s correction if the Bax Family History, “Bax descendants , Pedigree 11”
I am in Pedigree 11
Regards
Steve Ringer
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Hi Steve,
I am descended from Richard Bax through his son Thomas and would love a PDF copy of the book if still available.
Kind regards,
Joy
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Hi Joy
Which would you like access to?
Bernard Thistlethwaite’s book
‘Bax Family Hustory’ or Patricia King’s ‘ Bax Descendants -Pedigree 11’ or both?
Steve Ringer
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Hi Steve,
I would love access to both if possible. We have a number of Bax family members as they married into other local families and it would be great to see how they all link up.
Many thanks,
Joy
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If you let me have your email address on the personal message system I will make them available to you using iOS
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Hi Steve,
I will send you my details. I haven't used IOS, is it like a .pdf?
Cheers,
Joy
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Does anyone know if the Tithe maps of Capel, Ockley etc in Surrey are available to help me work out which Bax lived where?
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Hi Joy
I don’t have the Tithe maps, but do have PDF copies of the Bax Family and Bax descendants - Pedigree 11.
I could make them available to you via Google drive, if you can use that, but will need your email address to do this
Regards
Steve
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Hi Steve,
Id love to take you up on your offer of access to the Bax books. Unfortunately at present I dont have the facility to personal message as Im a newbie to this site - but as soon as I can, I will.
Kind regards
M
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Hi Joy
Thought I saw a message on Roots chat from you giving your email address, but can’t find it now
Can you try again please
Steve Ringer
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Hi meme13
Welcme to Rootschat ;D
you can both use the personal message system (it used to be 3 posts but works after 2) to exchange email addresses
https://www.rootschat.com/help/pms.php
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Hi Wilbur, I would love to have access to the Bax book as well. My email is Removed by Moderator.
Please use the personal message system.
Thank you very much, Brent
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Good evening, everyone,
My first post here, and I wouldn't generally put genealogical research at the top of my list of interests (perhaps not the best way to introduce myself here!), but I would be interested to find out the precise relationship between my late wife's family and Sir Arnold Bax. My grandmother-in-law was a Moxham, descended from Samuel Moxham of Littleton Farm, Winford, Somerset, who married Susannah Bax in 1858, who apparently came from the Ockley branch of the family. Sir Arnold's great-grandfather, Daniel Bax (b.1777) is mentioned in the Wikipedia article as being the first of the family to leave Ockley. So whatever relationship there is is a very distant one, but as a musician I quite fancy fitting a great composer into my family tree. Thanks, all.
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Hi Foggy Dew
Welcome to Rootschat ;D
This is a really old topic and I don't know how many of the previous posters are still following it or are still researching the Bax family.
But as you seem to have stumbled across this topic following an internet search, it is entirely possible that someone can point you in the right direction, maybe not immediately but in the fullness of time.
Good luck
Dawn
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Hello Kathryn
I have a copy of the Thistlethwaite book which I no longer require. Please get in touch.
Peter Reid
I am interested in buying a copy of the Thistlethwaite book on the Bax family - do you still have a copy available?
Ray Philpotts