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Title: Help me PLEASE!!!
Post by: geordiegal on Friday 23 March 07 23:07 GMT (UK)
Hello, i haven't been here for a while so i hope no one minds me popping in to ask for more help... I'm looking for Olivers. I think William Gibson Oliver was born in Sunderland, in about 1875, i'm wanting to know if he had any siblings as i can't find any. His father was Edward Lawson Oliver who was born about 1842, and all i know about his wife is that her name was Betsey and she was born about 1852. Any help, as always, is greatly appreciated. many thanks.
Title: Re: Help me PLEASE!!!
Post by: Valda on Friday 23 March 07 23:37 GMT (UK)
A strong possibility

Marriages Sep 1874   
Oliver  Edward     Sculcoates  9d 276
either
GIBSON  Betsey     Sculcoates  9d 276
or   
ARMES  Sarah Ann    Sculcoates  9d 276   

Regards

Valda
Title: Re: Help me PLEASE!!!
Post by: 2zpool on Friday 23 March 07 23:39 GMT (UK)
There is a marriage 1874 Sept ¼ Sculcoates 9d 276 of a Edward Oliver.  There are two women on the page one is a Betsey Gibson.  Betsey Gibson born East Halton Lincolnshire father's name was William Gibson.  Could be just a coincidence.  You could get the birth certificate of William Gibson Oliver and find out for sure.   1875 June ¼ Sunderland 10a 719

Janis
Title: Re: Help me PLEASE!!!
Post by: Ecneps on Friday 23 March 07 23:53 GMT (UK)
He is living with his parents in 1881 aged 6 and in 1901 aged 26, no sign of any siblings

Barbara
Title: Re: Help me PLEASE!!!
Post by: Pels. on Saturday 24 March 07 07:53 GMT (UK)

Hi everyone,

Here they are in 1891, but still no siblings ..

1891 census:
RG12/4150, folio 102, page 36

Durham, Monkwearmouth Shore
15, Mulgrave Street

Edward L. Oliver, h. mar. 47, Ship Rivetter, b. Durham, Bishopwearmouth
Betsy, wife, mar. 37, b. Lincolnshire, East Beldon
William G. son, 16, b. Durham, Bishopwearmouth

I think it's most likely Betsy was born in East Halton,
Lincolnshire, as Janis stated - judging by the earlier census
returns.

Kind regards,

Pels
Title: Re: Help me PLEASE!!!
Post by: Pels. on Saturday 24 March 07 08:26 GMT (UK)

In the event the above is correct, this should give you a head start:

1871 census:
RG10/3435, folio 73, page 8

Lincolnshire, East Halton

William Gibson, h. mar. 52, Cattle Dealer, b. Lincolnshire, Keelby
Sarah J. wife, mar. 44, b. Lincs. Barton on Humber
Elily. dau. 20, Dress Maker, b. Lincs. Keelby
Betsey, dau. unm. 18, b. Lincs. East Halton
Annie L. GrandDaughter, 2 mths. b. Lincs. East Halton


1861 census:
RG9/2402, folio 70, page 6

Lincolnshire, East Halton
Ferry Road

William Gibson, h. mar. 48, Cattle Dealer, b. Lincs. Keelby
Sarah J. wife, 32, b. Lincs. Barton
Louisa, dau. 11, b. Lincs. Keelby
Emily, dau. 10, b. Lincs. Keelby
Betsy, dau. 8. b. Lincs. East Halton

Kind regards,

Pels
Title: Re: Help me PLEASE!!!
Post by: Pels. on Saturday 24 March 07 09:04 GMT (UK)

1851 census:
HO107/2114, folio 18, page 7

Lincolnshire, Keelby

William Gibson, h. mar. 30, Jobber, b. Lincs. Keelby
Sarah Jane Gibson, wife, 27, b. Lincs. Barton on Humber
Louisa, dau. 1, b. Lincs. Keelby
Emily, dau. 9 mths. b. Lincs. Keelby


Marriage: Jun qtr. 1846
William Gibson/Sarah Jane Thompson
Caistor, Vol. 14, page 472


Pels  :)
Title: Re: Help me PLEASE!!!
Post by: Pels. on Saturday 24 March 07 09:50 GMT (UK)

1841 census:
HO107/638/11, folio 13, page 18

Lincolnshire, Keelby

Brian Gibson, 45, Jobber
William, 20
Hannah, 15

Pels  :)



Title: Re: Help me PLEASE!!!
Post by: geordiegal on Saturday 24 March 07 14:35 GMT (UK)
Thankyou all who has helped me out with this lot, its been a huge help. Now i'm wondering if anyone can help me out a bit more?... I'm interested in finding out who Edward Lawson Oliver's parents were. I know his father was William Oliver, born about 1805 and that he married an Anne who was born about 1811, but i don't know Annes maiden name or anything else about her. Can anyone help at all?
Title: Re: Help me PLEASE!!!
Post by: Richard Knott on Saturday 24 March 07 15:10 GMT (UK)
The 1851 census has John J Oliver as one of Edward Lawson Oliver's brothers (it is indexed as John F Oliver, but is clearly a J).

John Jackson Oliver b Sep 1837 Sunderland

This seems a good possibility:

IGI: William Oliver m Ann Jackson  3 May 1834   Gateshead

Richard
Title: Re: Help me PLEASE!!!
Post by: 2zpool on Saturday 24 March 07 18:16 GMT (UK)
Some baptisms at Bishopwearmouth St. Michael:

William Atkinson Oliver  4 March 1839 s/o William and Ann
William Edward Oliver  24 July 1835 s/o William and Anne
John Jackson Oliver  14 Sept 1837 s/o William and Jane

My fiche transcript does say Jane however I know of several instances where the name Ann has been written down as Jane when I know the mother was an Anne

Janis
Title: Re: Help me PLEASE!!!
Post by: Pels. on Saturday 24 March 07 18:55 GMT (UK)

Hi again everyone,

Here are the 1851 census details:

1851 census:
HO107/2395, folio 255, page 12

Durham, North Bishopwearmouth
New Street

William Oliver, h. mar. 47, Cordwainer, b. Northumberland, North Shields
Anne, wife, mar. 38, b. Newcastle on Tyne
William, son, 15, Shipwright, b. Durham, Bishopwearmouth
John J. son, 13, Errand Boy
Edward L. son 8
Elizabeth A. dau. 6
Charles, son, 5

Pels  :)
Title: Re: Help me PLEASE!!!
Post by: Pels. on Saturday 24 March 07 19:27 GMT (UK)

1841 census:
HO107/310/8. folio 20, page 35

Durham, Bishopwearmouth

William Oliver, 30, not born in county
Ann, 25, not born in county
William, 6, born in county
John, 4, born in county

Pels
Title: Re: Help me PLEASE!!!
Post by: Pels. on Saturday 24 March 07 19:41 GMT (UK)


1871 census:
RG10/5000, folio 63, page 26

Durham, Bishop Wearmouth
3, Peacock Street

William Oliver, h. 68, Labourer, b. Northumberland, Newcastle
Anne Oliver, wife, 60, b. Northumberland, Newcastle
Edward, son, unm. 28, Shipwright, b. Durham, Sunderland
Charles, son, unm. 25, Printer, b. Sunderland, Deaf + Dumb
Thomas Charlton, lodger, wdr. 32, Iron Shipwright b. Newcastle 

Title: Re: Help me PLEASE!!!
Post by: Pels. on Saturday 24 March 07 20:10 GMT (UK)

1861 census:
RG9/3772, folio 5, page 4

Durham, Bishopwearmouth
13, Green Terrace Street

William Oliver, h. mar. 56, Warehouse Man, b. Northumberland, Newcastle
Anne, wife, 49, b. Northumberland, Newcastle
Edward Lawson Oliver, son, 18, Shipwright, b. Durham, Bishopwearmouth
Elizabeth Anne, unm. 16, b. Bishopwearmouth, Deaf + Dumb
Charles, son, 14, b. Bishopwearmouth, Deaf + Dumb

Pels  :)