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Title: Pedley Look up please
Post by: leelou on Tuesday 20 March 07 16:23 GMT (UK)
Hi
Trying to find the mother] of
Joseph Pedley 1879 - 1935 watch repairer and
William Pedley 1881-1954 BSA worker.
She married a Tin Spoon forger - Joseph Pedley.

Might be Bridget from Mayo in Ireland, but a name of Ellen appears on Williams birth certificate.
I'm confused again!!!!!
Louise.x
Title: Re: Pedley Look up please
Post by: jim1 on Tuesday 20 March 07 20:12 GMT (UK)
Hello Louise
If you have Williams birth cert. why isn't her name on that?

Jim
Title: Re: Pedley Look up please
Post by: jim1 on Tuesday 20 March 07 20:17 GMT (UK)
The only marriage for Joseph Pedley is this one:
June 1874/B'ham/6d/44
poss. wives:
Elizabeth Doley
Sarah Ann Jones

Jim
Title: Re: Pedley Look up please
Post by: jim1 on Tuesday 20 March 07 20:38 GMT (UK)
By 1901 Joseph is widowed.I can't find a death for Bridget but did find this one:
Ellen Elizabeth Pedley/Sept.1891/Aston/6d/153/aged 40

Jim
Title: Re: Pedley Look up please
Post by: Valda on Tuesday 20 March 07 20:54 GMT (UK)
1891 census (census night 5th April) RG12 2387 folio 16
13 Court 4 House St George Street Birmingham  Warwickshire   
Joseph Pedley 44 Birmingham Head Widower  Spoon forger
Joseph Pedley 12 Birmingham Son 
William Pedley 10 Birmingham Son 
plus 4 lodgers

Ellen E. Pedley was aged 39 the wife of James Pedley, living in Birmingham on the 1891 census.

Regards

Valda
Title: Re: Pedley Look up please
Post by: Sisterjane on Tuesday 20 March 07 22:51 GMT (UK)
LOL I searched for ages earlier for these in 1891 no wonder I couldnt find them as they are indexed as Hedley..DOH  ???


Joe
Title: Re: Pedley Look up please
Post by: jim1 on Tuesday 20 March 07 23:08 GMT (UK)
Sounds like Ancestry...don't you just love it.

Jim
Title: Re: Pedley Look up please
Post by: Valda on Tuesday 20 March 07 23:20 GMT (UK)
Having looked at the census enumerator's capital P in Pedley for the 1891 census I don't think many people attempting to index the surname would have felt confident deciding it was a P. The indexer has obviously hedged their bets and brought in a H for the more common surname Hedley. With prior knowledge from the 1881 census and 1901 census entries it isn't such a problematic decision to come up with the surname Pedley. The poor 1891 census indexer however had no extra knowledge to help them, so in reality their attempt was really not all that bad.

Regards

Valda
Title: Re: Pedley Look up please
Post by: leelou on Wednesday 21 March 07 09:52 GMT (UK)
Thanks for everyones help, but your info seem to be conflicting. I am getting better at all this - honest!!!!

I know in 1891 Joseph Pedley c 1845 was living with his sons Joseph and William, and then in 1901 moved to New John Street West where they lived next door to Ada Hardy and family. William and Ada were married in 1903.

From family information Joseph Pedley senior was married to an Irish lady, but name unknown. I had guessed this was Bridget who was from May in Ireland from cesus info. When I heard Williams mother was Ellen I needed more help. I do not own the William certificate. My dad's cousin seems to hold a lot of family information and is a bit of a magpie. I am getting bits from him at a time and promises to send a copy of everything at Easter. I can't afford to buy certificates if he has the originals sitting in his filing cabinet!

Are you saying Joseph Pedley c1844 did not marry a Bridget or an Ellen?
regards
Louise
Title: Re: Pedley Look up please
Post by: leelou on Wednesday 21 March 07 10:22 GMT (UK)
Ok
I'm getting the hang of this!
In 1881 Bridget, Joseph and their children Joseph and Charlotte live at Rea Street Aston.
William was born 29 April 1881 so would not be on the census.

BUT
According to my cousin who was the original birth certificate for William, he says Ellen is William's mother adn he was born in Rea Street! He told me this information before I mentioned Rea Street in my research.

Perhaps he is wrong about Ellen? I will be a little wiser at Easter I hope!
Louise
Title: Re: Pedley Look up please
Post by: Sisterjane on Wednesday 21 March 07 12:56 GMT (UK)
Does the birth cert state "Ellens" maiden name? it should

Joe

Title: Re: Pedley Look up please
Post by: jim1 on Wednesday 21 March 07 14:00 GMT (UK)
Hello Louise
Give your cousin a nudge and get him to give mother's maiden name in full,Bridget may have been known by another name as well.
The only marriage I could find for Joseph Pedley was the one I gave you,but to be sure you will need to search the full indexes on Ancestry.

Jim
Title: Re: Pedley Look up please
Post by: leelou on Wednesday 21 March 07 15:45 GMT (UK)
Thanks Jim
Just phoned and he's out. I'll try later!
Louise
Title: Re: Pedley Look up please
Post by: jim1 on Wednesday 21 March 07 15:53 GMT (UK)
Tell him to stay in or we'll send the boys round.
Title: Re: Pedley Look up please
Post by: Valda on Wednesday 21 March 07 20:04 GMT (UK)
JOSEPH PEDLEY 
ELIZABETH DOLEY 
Marriage:  08 JUN 1874   Saint Bartholomew, Birmingham, Warwick

possible for Elizabeth on an earlier census
 
1871 census RG10 3097 folio 12
6 Court 1 House Birmingham  Warwickshire 
Henry Doley 48  Smethwick, Warwickshire,  Head Married Packer
Sarah Doley 47  Birmingham, Warwickshire, Wife Married Whip braider
Elizabeth Doley 17  Birmingham, Warwickshire, Daughter  Whip braider
George Doley  13  Birmingham, Warwickshire,  Son Brassfounder
Caroline Doley 12 Birmingham, Warwickshire,  Daughter Warehouse girl
William Doley 2  Birmingham, Warwickshire, Son

Possible death for a Joseph Pedley - though this doesn't prove the marriage, the 1871 census and the 1879 death actually do connect.

Deaths Sep 1879   
Pedley  Joseph  34  Birmingham  6d 66

If a candidate for the Joseph Pedley you are interested in has not been found on the 1871 census that leaves plenty of scope for Joseph not being in Birmingham and marrying elsewhere. With a wife born in Ireland for instance he could have been in the army. Her names may be Bridget Ellen or Ellen Bridget or the census enumerator may simply have got the name wrong (nothing on the death index for that combination) or your cousin might be mistaken. You really do need 'Bridget' 'Ellen's surname from her son's birth certificate to help people try and find her in the civil registration and if possible earlier censuses. Alternativel she may be Elizabeth Doley.

Regards

Valda
Title: Re: Pedley Look up please
Post by: jim1 on Wednesday 21 March 07 22:28 GMT (UK)
Hello both
Valda...I couldn't get the drift with the death info. but looked at  Elizabeth Pedley in 1881 and found her widowed as you did.As she is living in Staffs. I wonder if she married the Joseph Pedley who was born there.I think Louise you need the marriage cert. as well.

Jim
Title: Re: Pedley Look up please
Post by: Valda on Thursday 22 March 07 08:19 GMT (UK)
The widow Elizabeth Pedley living in Stone Staffordshire in 1881 is not the same age as Elizabeth Doley on the 1871 census, so could be the widow of any named Pedley not a Joseph. There is a 10 year age difference (she was 36 in 1881) which is why I didn't give her as a possible. The Elizabeth who married the Joseph Pedley in 1874 could easily have remarried before 1881 and after his potential death in 1879. e.g.

Marriages Mar 1881   
Pedley  Elizabeth     Birmingham  6d 25

Can you explain Jim why getting the 1874 marriage certificate would be useful if it has the possibility of being a marriage to another Joseph Pedley in Birmingham and not the one who was alive and 'married' to Bridget in 1881. I'm not quite sure how it would help?

Regards

Valda
Title: Re: Pedley Look up please
Post by: jim1 on Thursday 22 March 07 10:22 GMT (UK)
It seems to me that there are 2 Josephs in B'ham at about the same time although I can find only 1 birth in B'ham + 1 in Staffs. who may have migrated in.The marr. cert. would establish who this Joseph belonged to.

Regards Jim
Title: Re: Pedley Look up please
Post by: leelou on Thursday 22 March 07 12:14 GMT (UK)
You have Joseph's death in 1879, but William Pedley was born in 1881. ?

I spoke to my cousin last night & he assured me he would email this morning. Nothing by 12.20pm! Do you have a contact for those boys Jim!!!
Louise
Title: Re: Pedley Look up please
Post by: leelou on Thursday 22 March 07 12:42 GMT (UK)
Cousin has responded.!!!!!!!!!!
Sadly he has not scanned the certificate, but just emailed saying William Pedley born 29/04/1881. Mothers name Ellen Pedley. He says the certificate does not give her maiden name.

He said a copy will be in the post soon.  !!??

Any use?
Regards Louise.
Title: Re: Pedley Look up please
Post by: jim1 on Thursday 22 March 07 15:16 GMT (UK)
Do we assume that there is a father's name as well or has he told you father is Joseph.

Jim
Title: Re: Pedley Look up please
Post by: leelou on Thursday 22 March 07 16:47 GMT (UK)
On the 1881 census for Rea Street where William was born a few days after the census day we find

Joseph Pedley  37 Iron spoon forger Birmingham
Bridget Pedley  37                             Mayo, Ireland
Charlotte           4                             Birmingham
Joseph               2                             Birmingham.

Rea Street is on his birth Certificate. The email says he is posting a copy of the certificate. I'd have been quicker and less stressed if I'd bought the certificate myself!

Regards
Louise
Title: Re: Pedley Look up please
Post by: Sisterjane on Thursday 22 March 07 17:08 GMT (UK)
 
Quote
I'd have been quicker and less stressed if I'd bought the certificate myself!


;D So would we  LOL ;D

Joe :)
Title: Re: Pedley Look up please
Post by: jim1 on Thursday 22 March 07 17:32 GMT (UK)
Ther are 2 William Pedley births about this time.1 registered in March 1878/Aston the other in June 1881/B'ham.The first one can't be the one your cousin has because it's too early.How's this for a thought,your cousin has the wrong cert. and the right one is William 1878.

jim
Title: Re: Pedley Look up please
Post by: indiapaleale on Thursday 22 March 07 17:55 GMT (UK)
Hi.

Sorry to barge in but wondering if you have a marriage certificate for either of the sons - William or Joseph showing that their  father's name is Joseph?

As Jim says there are a couple of William Pedleys born about the same time in B'ham. The one with a mother named Ellen has a father named James.

He is the 1878 William. How sure are you of your William's age?

Without a marriage cert for one of the children I don't know we can find the right father.

I have looked through the actual BMD index images for 5 years - 1875 to 1880 and can find no marriage for a Joseph with a Bridget >:(

Cheers
India

ps Hi Jim......Sunny and 75F here today  ;D

Title: Re: Pedley Look up please
Post by: leelou on Thursday 22 March 07 19:19 GMT (UK)
Hi all

William Pedley born 1881 is my dad and cousin's Grandad.
He brought up my dad until he and grandma Pedley died in 1953/4. The certificates were passed to their daughter - my cousins mom, and now cousin John has them.


The certificates, therefore, - I presume as I have not seen it!!!!!!!!!! is an original along with the death certificate from 1935  for Joseph Pedley , Watch repairer or Whitehead Road, Aston born 1879.

My dad has the marriage certificate for Joseph 1879 and his wife Roseanne Prenticec 1884, for 1907 and is phoning in 10mins with all info. - Thanks all for bearing with me till the end! I'll be in touch in 15mins!
Louise
Title: Re: Pedley Look up please
Post by: leelou on Thursday 22 March 07 19:24 GMT (UK)
Could Briget on 1881 census be Ellen on birth records. ie Bridget Ellen Pedley or Ellen Bridget Pedley?

I'm sure Bridget is right as Dads aunt who is still alive said Grandad Pedley's granny was from Ireland? This links with the Rea Street entry on Census 1881.?
Louise
Title: Re: Pedley Look up please
Post by: Valda on Thursday 22 March 07 19:24 GMT (UK)
If the birth certificate for William Pedley says Rhea Street then it would match to the 1881 census Pedley family with mother recorded as Bridget, despite the fact on the certificate itself her name is given as Ellen. This is the family in Rhea Street on the census. If William's birth was after census night 3rd April 1881 it would be after the census was taken.

On the 1881 census James and Ellen Pedley with their son William aged 5 were in Vauxhall Street.

Births Mar 1876  
Pedley  William James     Birmingham  6d 137

Is the suggestion that the birth certificate held by Louise's cousin is really for William James and that the father's name was given as William for some reason and though the birth was registered as William James, Louise's cousin has forgotten to mention the James in his name??

The birth of William Pedley in 1878 registered in Aston

Births Mar 1878  
PEDLEY  William     Aston  6d 371

is the William Pedley aged 3 birth place Aston, living at 10 Coleman Street Birmingham in 1881 with parents John and Ann.

The Rhea Street census of 1881 is a match for the 1891 census - details already posted and for the 1901 census.

RG13 2843 folio 136
62½ New John Street Birmingham  Warwickshire  
Joseph Pedley 55  Birmingham, Warwickshire, Head  Widower Spoon forger
Joseph Pedley  22  Birmingham, Warwickshire,  Son  Brass dresser
William Pedley 19  Birmingham, Warwickshire,  Son  Cycle polisher

The most likely other births and deaths for this Joseph's known children are

Births Mar 1879  
Pedley  Joseph     Birmingham  6d 135

Deaths Dec 1884  
Pedley  Charlotte  8  Birmingham  6d 2

and possibly

Births Sep 1876  
Pedley  Charlotte     Aston  6d 275

These certificates would in the case of the births and possibly in the case of Charlotte's death if her mother registered it, give you the name/s of the mother. Her full name including her maiden name should appear on the birth certificates, but it looks like in the case of William's birth she chose to 'fudge it', or else the registrar has made an error.

I have yet not been able to find Joseph on the 1871 census. Since Bridget/Ellen was born in Ireland it is possible that Joseph married her there, if for instance he served for a spell as a young man in the army. Alternatively they may never have got around to marrying. The missing marriage is not really as perplexing as the missing death registration, since supposedly Bridget/Ellen died between 1881 and 1891. People don't have to get married, but they do have to have their death registered to get a burial.

Regards

Valda
Title: Re: Pedley Look up please
Post by: leelou on Thursday 22 March 07 20:30 GMT (UK)
On Joseph and Roseanne Prentice's Wedding certificate of 1907
Josephs father, Joseph Pedley was a spoon forger. - confirms census 1881. He was deceased by 1907.

Roseanna Prentice's father was Richard, and a carter. She was born c 1884.

louise
Title: Re: Pedley Look up please
Post by: indiapaleale on Thursday 22 March 07 20:54 GMT (UK)
Well, this Bridget/Ellen thing is a right mystery! ;D

And, I don't know how we will solve it if she didn't give her maiden name on the birth cert...how odd!

If it was me, I would get the marriage cert and birth cert for William's brother, Joseph, just to confirm that we are talking about the same family.

The reason I say that is because I have at least one incorrect marriage cert in my tree. A relative was raised by his uncle and put his uncle down as his father on the marriage cert!....Grr very confusing.

If Grandma says that Bridget/Ellen was from Ireland then that is a good indicator that you are on the right track.

Now as far as 1871. I think I have found Joseph the spoon forger and he is listed as George Pedley the spoon forger! Living at Cheapside in Aston as a lodger with the Johnson family. He is 26 and unmarried. I have been unable to find this George the spoon forger on other census. It is not unusual for lodgers to be enumerated incorrectly!
RG10/3134  Folio 148 Page 19

Cheers
Indi

Title: Re: Pedley Look up please
Post by: leelou on Thursday 22 March 07 21:03 GMT (UK)
Thanks Indi

As said previous I have the marriage certificate for Joseph - Williams brother. I will order Joseph's birth cert -

Joseph Pedley 1879 Birmingham Jan - March 6d 135

William Pedley birth certificte - the one belonging to cousin John  - dob 29/04/1881 - Birmingham ???? a reminder please

regards Louise.
Title: Re: Pedley Look up please
Post by: Valda on Thursday 22 March 07 21:36 GMT (UK)
Deaths Mar 1906
Pedley  Joseph  59  Birmingham  6d 144

Age on death would give a birth year of circa 1847 which is within a 'yearish' of the age given on the 1901 census. 1891 and 1881 censuses are consistent. No matching birth registration on FreeBMD which is almost complete for this period.

1851 census HO107 2060 folio 374?
29 Cheapside Aston  Warwickshire
William Pedley 60  Birmingham, Warwickshire,  Head Married Spoon stamper
Charlotte Pedley  48 Aston, Warwickshire,  Wife Married  
Charles Edward 19 Birmingham, Warwickshire, Stepson Spoon maker
George Edward  14  Birmingham, Warwickshire, Stepson Spoon maker
Joseph Pedley  5  Birmingham, Warwickshire,  Son  

Marriages Dec 1861  
Edwards  Charlotte     Birmingham  6d 273  
Pedley  William     Birmingham  6d 273

The late marriage would make Joseph's birth more likely to have been registered in the surname Edwards.

1861 census RG9 2171 folio 94
No3 House 27 Court Cheapside Aston  Warwickshire
William Pedley 70  Birmingham, Warwickshire,  Head Married Iron spoonmaker
Charlotte Pedley  60  Birmingham, Warwickshire, Wife Married  
George Edwards  29 Birmingham, Warwickshire,  Son-in-law Married iron spoon maker  
Elizabeth Edwards 28  Liverpool, Lancashire, Wife Married  
Henry Edwards  2  Liverpool, Lancashire, Son  
Elizabeth Edwards  3mths Liverpool, Lancashire, Daughter  
Joseph Pedley  18  Birmingham, Warwickshire,  Son Wood Turner

1871 census RG10 3146 folio 30
Back of 29 Holt Street Aston  Warwickshire  
Charlott Pedley  70 Birmingham, Warwickshire, Boarder Widow Shoebinder

There is a possibility that because of Joseph's illegitimate birth he could appear in records as Pedley or Edwards.

William Pedley's birth 29/04/1881 was born in Rhea Street (hence not on census night 3rd April) and was the son of Joseph and 'Ellen'. William son of John (the spoon polisher) and Ann was born in Aston in 1878.

Regards

Valda
Title: Re: Pedley Look up please
Post by: jim1 on Thursday 22 March 07 22:06 GMT (UK)
Charlotte Taylor married Henry Edwards 1819.In 1841 cen.Henry is listed as 50 and Charlotte 38.There are 4 deaths registered in the first half of 1840's so Henry could be any one of those.It's looking likely Joseph was William's natural child as they didn't marry until 1861 and seems unlikely Joseph would have been given the Pedley name particularly as there were older siblings at home.

Jim
Title: Re: Pedley Look up please
Post by: leelou on Friday 23 March 07 11:32 GMT (UK)
Just had email from cousin John.

He has just found out that Grandad Pedleys mothers surname was Curry. !!!???  So Ellen nee Curry is Williams mom, but the woman on the census is Bridget!

The address on the birth certificated is 3 Court Rea Street South. 26th April 1881.  Census match.

Amazing how he has just found this - by looking at the certificate properly!

Louise
Title: Re: Pedley Look up please
Post by: indiapaleale on Friday 23 March 07 13:06 GMT (UK)
Hi Louise,

Well, this gets curiouser and curiouser!

In 1871 there is only one Ellen Curry living in Birmingham. She is aged 19 and from Ireland. She works as a tinner. and is lodging with a Mary Cormally (sp)
AND, when I look at the image, also living there is Bridget Curry, aged 26, from Ireland and working as a tinner.

I have looked for a marriage for either Curry to a Pedley but no luck.

I was wondering if Ellen was the mother of William and she died and then Bridget (her sister?) is the mother of Joseph?

There is a death of an Ellen Curry in Birmingham in 1879 but the age is way out  - of course the age could be incorrect.

The plot thickens!     :) :) :)
Cheers
Indi


PS...added.....And of course......I could be barking up the wrong tree it could be a totally different Ellen Curry!
Title: Re: Pedley Look up please
Post by: jim1 on Friday 23 March 07 14:27 GMT (UK)
Indi....In 1881 Bridget is aged 37 which is consistent with your 1871 info. but Joseph is the older child with William being born 1881 ( mother Ellen ) so the Ellen death must be someone else.
Has the census enumerator got it wrong leaving out Ellen and making Bridget wife instead of sister-in-law. ???
Louise.....I take it your not kissin' cousins.

Regards
Jim



 






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Title: Re: Pedley Look up please
Post by: indiapaleale on Friday 23 March 07 14:57 GMT (UK)
Oh Jim...

Grr....Just when I thought I had something sorted!

Of course, you are correct...I had the children backwards.

Still.....I think that we are talking about the Curry sisters and their relationship to Joseph Pedley.

Interesting stuff this family tree lark!

Indi

Title: Re: Pedley Look up please
Post by: jim1 on Friday 23 March 07 15:48 GMT (UK)
Yep.. I think your right.Wouldn't you have liked to be a fly on their wall in 1881.Perhaps he was a Mormon....2 wives perish the thought. :P

Jim
Title: Re: Pedley Look up please
Post by: Valda on Friday 23 March 07 21:05 GMT (UK)
Going for the simplist explanation for the 1881 census - heavily pregnant Ellen had her sister Bridget staying with the family because of her approaching labour. The census enumerator got confused and put Bridget down as Joseph's wife (when it looks like neither sister was in reality) and somewhere Ellen got left off the household return.

The lack of a marriage isn't an issue (at least in tracing the Pedley line) because some people just didn't get married, but as stated before they all die, so the difficulty in locating the death registration is more intriguing.

Regards

Valda
Title: Re: Pedley Look up please
Post by: jim1 on Friday 23 March 07 22:11 GMT (UK)
Valda...that's a conclusion I arrived at as well ( previous note ) as Joseph is widowed in 1891 and unmarried in 1871 there is only 1881 to go on and if the enumerator got it wrong it could well explain the birth anomaly.If Joseph's birth cert. gives Ellen as mother I think that's the only reasonable explanation.

Regards Jim
Title: Re: Pedley Look up please
Post by: leelou on Saturday 24 March 07 17:34 GMT (UK)
Hello all

Thanks for ALL your help on this one.

I will order Joseph's birth certificate and William's is in the post from cousin John!

I'll update when I have the Joseph cert - hope it has Ellen or Bridget on it!!!

Louise
Title: Re: Pedley Look up please
Post by: leelou on Sunday 25 March 07 19:14 BST (UK)
Joseph Pedley born 1879

His marriage certificate to Roseanna Prentice 28/04 /1907 includes
Age 28 so links to dob of 1879
4 back 60 chain Walk, Aston
Watch maker -
Father Joseph Pedley deceased Spoon Forger.

Joseph  1879  lived at 6 Whitehead Road at the watch repair shop - living relative confirmed and its his death cert cousin John has.

So we know I have the correct person's certificate, so Joseph's, ( and brother  William with Bridget/Ellen!) father is also Joseph a spoon forger. Just as you confirmed Friday.

Thanks a million folks
Louise
Title: Re: Pedley Look up please
Post by: indiapaleale on Sunday 25 March 07 21:56 BST (UK)
Hi Louise,

Oh, do keep us posted on your Joseph Pedley saga.....it is so interesting.

And of course, the next thing is to figure out if he ever married one or both of the Curry sisters?......

Family History is such fun!

 ;D ;D ;D ;D

India

Title: Re: Pedley Look up please
Post by: leelou on Friday 18 May 07 10:15 BST (UK)
Hi again!

As promised I'm updating you on the never ending Pedley saga!

I now have birth certificate for both William and Joseph Pedley. Both have Ellen Pedley nee Curry as mother.

 I come to the same conclusion of that the 1881 census was wrong -  sister Bridget was at the house for the birth of her sisters child and the wrong name was entered. Hope this clears it all up!

Thanks for all your help!
Lou.
Title: Re: Pedley Look up please
Post by: jim1 on Friday 18 May 07 15:36 BST (UK)
Well done Lou,that's another wall demolished.I suppose we can forgive the enumerators mistakes as they had to rush about getting all the info. in before they could go home to bed........just.
Jim
Title: Re: Pedley
Post by: Avandel on Friday 04 December 09 01:54 GMT (UK)
I know this is a longshot but is leelou still on this Pedley chat?

Anne
Title: Re: Pedley Look up please
Post by: dobfarm on Friday 04 December 09 02:58 GMT (UK)
Hi Avandel


Last Leeou posted on Rootschat was 27th Jan 2008
Try PM'-ing her!

D/F
Title: Re: Pedley Look up please
Post by: leelou on Friday 04 December 09 09:23 GMT (UK)
Just got a message. Can I help?
leelou
Title: Re: Pedley Look up please
Post by: dobfarm on Friday 04 December 09 13:38 GMT (UK)
Hi Both

Hope its good news! or an ancestry find.

Good luck and hunting

Dobby
Title: Re: Pedley Look up please
Post by: Avandel on Friday 04 December 09 15:09 GMT (UK)
Hello from Canada Leelou

I've been reading all these post with interest as my PEDLEY's were basically all Spoon makers.  William PEDLEY b. 1791 married Susanna PARKER Aug 11, 1811. The only death record that I have been able to find for her was 1852.  Now I know that Charlotte is listed as his wife on the 1851 census but the only marriage record found has been the marriage in 1861. Doesn't mean they were or weren't married at the time of the 1851 census.

Anyway, I would like to converse with you on your PEDLEY line starting from around 1900 & back.

I'm in touch with 2 other PEDLEY researchers connected by our 2x gt grandfather Thomas son of William & Susanna, who knows yours could be amongst ours.

Looking forward to hearing from you over the weekend

Anne
Title: Re: Pedley Look up please
Post by: Avandel on Friday 04 December 09 15:21 GMT (UK)
Thanks everyone that responded to my query & yes Dobby, it could very well be good news on the ancestral front.

May you all have luck finding your ancestors.
Title: Re: Pedley Look up please
Post by: jim1 on Friday 04 December 09 17:02 GMT (UK)
Have you seen this one:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,420919.0.html

jim
Title: Re: Pedley Look up please
Post by: leelou on Friday 04 December 09 17:18 GMT (UK)
So I guess my William Pedley c1791 - 1861 married to Charlotte Edwards (nee Taylor) could be the same who married your relative? My Charlotte and William were together later in life as Charlotte already had children by her first husband. Guess William could also have children by a first wife and be your relatives. I have no information before this. All the information on this side of the family is found on rootschat.com from 2 years ago including a detailed look into William's son's wife Ellen Curry. What a super site! :D

Perhaps you have more information?
look forward to hearing from you.
Lou
Title: Re: Pedley Look up please
Post by: Avandel on Saturday 05 December 09 17:39 GMT (UK)
Hello Jim1

Yes, many thanks, I have recently been in touch with Pedlar, we are definitely 3rd cousins. Who would have thought I would find, not one but two people researching the same family & in less than a week.  You've got to love this site!

Anne
Title: Re: Pedley Look up please
Post by: leelou on Saturday 05 December 09 19:24 GMT (UK)
Hi Anne
I'm in Wolverhampton, England, not far from Birmingham.

My line goes to Joseph, son of "Our William".

Your Thomas and my Joseph must have shared the same father?

Joseph was born in 1847 and lived with his parents and children from his mother Charlotte's 1st marriage. She was 44 and William 56 at the time of his birth. The census returns for him show the Edwards children living with William and Charlotte .

I'm so grateful of the help I received from this site 2 years ago. A whole side of my tree was uncovered and now a new link- amazing!!
Lou
Title: Re: Pedley Look up please
Post by: Avandel on Saturday 05 December 09 20:20 GMT (UK)
My grampy, (different line) was born in Wolverhampton, ha! small world!

Did you ever get a birth cert for Joseph? was he registered under PEDLEY or EDWARDS, curious to know was mum Charlotte & dad William? Would love to know what happened to Susanna PEDLEY as the death record shows as 1852. I don't have a copy to see who was present, that's providing that was her.  Of course there's always a possibility that our William's are not the same one. Must delve into this later this evening & get back to you.  I do know that Pedlar here on Rootschat is definitely related, & if you are too, then that will make 4 PEDLEY's in total I have found that are from the same lines.

Talk later,
Anne in Canada
Title: Re: Pedley Look up please
Post by: leelou on Saturday 05 December 09 22:25 GMT (UK)
Hi!
According to rootschat helpers Joseph was born in 1847 and Charlotte and William were not married until 1861. Perhaps without a birth cert Joseph might not be Charlotte's? He is down on the 1851 census as a Pedley and luckily carried on this name or my ancestors would all be Edwards!! I only have information that roots chat friends have found for me as I got into a muddle with this line of the family. I only have certs of Joseph Pedley 1879-1935. I have birth marriage and death. He ran a watch repair shop in Whitehead Road for many years until his death.
regards Lou
Title: Re: Pedley Look up please
Post by: Avandel on Sunday 13 December 09 15:39 GMT (UK)
Hi Lou, sorry to take so long but have been doing some research on Joseph. I found the following on a couple of websites if you haven't found them already.

Joseph PEDLEY, birth was shown as Aug 9 1843, in Birmingham, parents William PEDLEY & Charlotte TAYLOR 

And the birth is registered as;

Sept quarter 1843
Joseph PEDLEY  Birmingham 16 299

Hope this is of some help to you.  If you get the birth cert I would be interested in knowing how Charlotte was listed? as TAYLOR or PEDLEY.  I'm still trying to find out if our William's are one & the same.  I did find information that the Susanna that died in 1852 wasn't William's first wife but his grand daughter, from my lot.  The last child of William & Susanna's that I have listed was in 1816, so far I have not found any others.

And so the quest continues.

Regards,
Anne


Title: Re: Pedley Look up please
Post by: Avandel on Sunday 13 December 09 15:57 GMT (UK)
In my previous post I should have said "I'd be interested in whether Charlotte was listed as TAYLOR, PEDLEY or EDWARDS on Joseph's cert.

I also just found this listing;
 
June 27 1819 marriage between Charlotte TAYLOR & Henry EDWARDS at St. Phillips, Birmingham?

Regards,
Anne