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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Wigtownshire => Topic started by: Maggiemitch1 on Friday 16 March 07 23:59 GMT (UK)
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Can anyone help?
I have a Joan Clive c1880 in Inch Wigtownshire, but can find no record of her birth.
Now this is where it starts to get really complicated, Her mother Agnes c1858 claims Joan's father was a James Clive, but I can find no marriage record for this.
On Agnes's death certificate it names her father as an Anthony Clark and her mother's name is blank, I can find no birth record for Agnes with the Clark surname?
Which leads me to believe that Agnes was possibly born out of wedlock, but as I do not have her mothers name my search has hit a brick wall.
Agnes had 4 children, these were Joan c1880, William 1882, Alex 1888 and George 1890. Agnes, William and George all died in Ayr.
If someone out there has links to any of these people or has any suggestions on how I can solve this mystery I would be most grateful for any info you could provide.
Regards
Maggie
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Hi Maggie,
Joanna Clave, born Inch in 1879 must be worth looking at. This one is probably the Joeann Cleave in Inch in the 1881 census in her grandparent's house with her mother and a few others (including some siblings? or cousins?).
ADP
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Hi Maggie
I think relationships and family names might have got a bit mixed up!
This is the 1881 Census entry that ADP is referring to:
Antony Cleave, 51, widower, b. Stonykirk
Agnes, daugh, 26, unmarried, general serv, b. Old Luce
William, son, 22, agr. lab., b. Inch
Peter, son, 19, agr. lab., b. Inch
James, grandson, 8, b. b. Leswalt
Archibald, grandson, 4, b. Old Luce
Joeann, granddaughter, 1, b. Inch
Address: Beoch Farm Cottage No 3, Inch
This looks like the same family in 1861:
Anthony Cleave 38, ploughman, b. Stonykirk
Jane Cleave 40, b. Glenluce
James Cleave 19
Peter Cleave 17
Jane Cleave 15
Mary Cleave 13
David Cleave 11
Elizabeth Cleave 9
Agnes Cleave 6
Helen Cleave 4
William Cleave 2
Hannah Ross 5 Mo, boarder
Address: Cottage On Beoch, Inch
Agnes looks to have been born in 1854 not 1858. This looks like her birth entry on IGI and includes mother's maiden name (Jane TEMPLETON), also some of the siblings:
1. PETER CLAVE Birth: 26 JAN 1862 Inch, Wigtown, Scotland
2. HELEN CLAVE Birth: 09 OCT 1856 Inch, Wigtown, Scotland
3. ANDREW CLAVE Birth: 26 JAN 1862 Inch, Wigtown, Scotland
4. WILLIAM CLAVE Birth: 28 DEC 1858 Inch, Wigtown, Scotland
5. AGNES CLAVE Christening: 08 SEP 1854 Old Luce, Wigtown, Scotland
6. DAVID CLAVE Christening: 25 MAR 1850 Old Luce, Wigtown, Scotland
7. ELIZABETH CLAVE Christening: 02 AUG 1852 Old Luce, Wigtown, Scotland
8. PETER CLAVE Christening: 08 NOV 1843 Old Luce, Wigtown, Scotland
9. JANE CLAVE Christening: 04 NOV 1845 Old Luce, Wigtown, Scotland
10. MARIANNE CLAVE Christening: 04 APR 1848 Old Luce, Wigtown, Scotland
Regards.
Monica :)
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Agnes's parents' marriage entry on IGI, an actual OPR extract:
ANTHONY CLAVE Marriages: Spouse: JEAN TEMPLETON
Marriage: 03 JUL 1841 Old Luce, Wigtown, Scotland
It looks like mother Jane died shortly after the birth of the twins, Peter and Andrew, in 1862. Likely death entry for her on SP:
1862 CLAVE JANE TEMPLETON U INCH /WIGTOWN 886/00 0009
Regards.
Monica
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Agnes and her 3 young children in the 1891 Census:
Agnes Clive 36, farm servant, b. Glenluce
Joan Clive 11, b. Inch
Alex Clive 2, b. Inch
George Clive 7 Mo, b. Leswalt
Address: Cothouse No 4, Kirkcolm
Monica :)
Added:
Son William is staying with his Uncle William:
William Clive 8, nephew, b. Inch
Sarah Clive 28, b. Keir, Dumfriesshire
William Clive 31, agr. lab., b. Inch
James Clive 6, son, b. Inch
Robert Fingland 20, brother in law, b. Whithorn
Address: Kilfillan Cot House, Old Luce
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Many Many Thanks for all those leads everyone, this should now help to knock a few holes in the brick wall - excellent, your wee gems x ;D
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Agnes had 4 children, these were Joan c1880, William 1882, Alex 1888 and George 1890. Agnes, William and George all died in Ayr.
Maggie, You might like to know that your William Clive b1882 who was staying with his Uncle William, that his Aunt Sarah was Sarah Beck FINGLAND 1863-1937 daughter of James FINGLAND & Margaret BRYSON. can provide more details if of interest.