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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Fife => Topic started by: jenc on Thursday 15 March 07 15:03 GMT (UK)
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Hi all
Trying to trace birthplace of David Kirkcaldy b. approx.1807. His parents were Robert Kirkcaldy and Jean Taylor. He was married to Euphemia Walton b. 1811 in Kilmany. According to the 1851 census, Starrlaw, Kilmany, his birthplace is given as Balmerino, but can find no trace of his birth on ScotlandsPeople.
Found a few Kirkcaldys in Balmerino, but not this David. Can anyone throw any light on this, I would be really grateful Thanks.
Jenc
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Hi Jennifer,
Well I did find the marriage of David Kirkcaldy and Euphemia Walton
Marriage:- 19 DEC 1829 Kilmany, Fife, Scotland.
I couldn't find anything else though.
Elizbabeth
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Hi Elizabeth.
David is a complete puzzle, at least I know when and where he was married now. Thanks for that.
Regards from Jennifer
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Hi Jenc,
A search of ScotlandsPeople under the name David KIRKALDY shows two births of that name:
26 Jun 1803, Dundee, Angus
02 Aug 1808, Cupar, Fife
Bervonian.
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Hi Bervonian,
Thats really strange I couldn't find either of these births you mentioned on Scotlands People.
Elizabeth
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My humble apologies Elizabeth :-[ :-[ :-[ 11.08 pm isn't the best time to be searching, especially after a hard day !!
There is only one David Kirkcaldy born between 1800 and 1810, and he was born 24 May 1808, Dundee, Angus.
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Hi Bervonian and Elizabeth
Found a David Kirkcaldy born 1793 Balmerino to William Kirkcaldy and Agnes Brunton on IGI. The mystery deepens :-\ Jenc
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Hi Bervonian,
Sorry I can't find the birth record of David Kirkcaldy you found in Dundee 24 May 1808, either on Scotland People.
So sorry about this.
Elizabeth :'(
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Hi Jenc,
I found that birth on IGI too for David Kirkcaldy but as it was the wrong parents names I thought it couldn't be the correct birth!!!
Elizabeth
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Apologies again Elizabeth. I mistakenly gave the surname as Kirkcaldy in my last post when it was actually Kirkaldy. Try again on SP using this spelling and I'm sure you'll find it. The same date and place applies - 24 May 1808 Dundee, Angus. Good luck.
Isles.
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Hi Jennifer and Elizabeth,
I'm so sorry to have led you astray by giving the wrong date in my last post. The entry in Scotlands People is for a David Kirkaldy (note the spelling) born 2 Aug 1808 at Cupar, Fife. He may not be the person you are searching for but the date of birth fits for someone married in 1829 (?).
Isles.
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Hi Jenc
Just picking up on Isle's point on the spelling variants for Kirkcaldy. Have you got David's parents' marriage - this looks a likely entry, an actual extract, on IGI:
ROBERT KIRKALDY Marriages: Spouse: JANE TAYLOR
Marriage: 19 MAY 1792 Balmerino, Fife, Scotland
Regards.
Monica
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Hi Monica,
All this time searching and her name was Jane not Jean as stated.
Well all's well that ends well as they say!!!
Good for you!! Well done!!!
Elizabeth
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Hi Elizabeth
Remember in Scottish research, the name variants always drive us mad ;) Sadly, as Jenc is finding, nothing whatsoever showing with any spelling variants of Kirkcaldy for birth in Balmerino, or anywhere else in Fife, to at least a father Robert (in case birth registered in just father's name).
Regards.
Monica :)
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Hi Everyone Think this is my 'Eureka' moment. My 'Rootschat' friends have come up trumps again! :) This surely must be my Robert and Jane. Was so sure the spelling of the name was Kirkcaldy. Never thought to try the other spelling. Many many thanks to all
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Your welcome Jenc,
Not that I did very much anyway ??? but yes they got there in the end, well done everyone.
Elizabeth
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Hi Elizabeth Yes you did great :) Jenc
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Monica,
I am interested in Robert Kirkaldy and Jane Taylor's marriage as it could open up another branch of my tree. Any thoughts on Robert's parents?
Kilsyth
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Hi there Kilsyth
Have been trying on IGI (to save money) ;D, and have found 2 Robert Kirkaldys born in Fife namely: Robert born 28/03/1762 Flisk, to David Kirkcaldy and Margaret Meldrum, who were married 06/11/1756 in Kilmany....and Robert born 23/09/1775 Kinghorn to David Kirkaldy and Agnes Vallance (no trace of their marriage).
I suppose it's a case of 'take your pick', both of the fathers are David. which fits the naming pattern which comes down the generations...Robert, David, Robert, David.....
I tried Jean (Jane) Taylor too, but there are just too many of them born in Fife around the same time. :'(
Hope this helps Jenc
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Hi Kilsyth
Hard to even guess at Robert's parents. As you can see from the posts, Jenc has struggled to find births for this couple's children, so no additional clues from there.
The marriage entry in 1792 in Balmerino is an actual extract from the OPRs. The image of the entry on the Register will be available to view on Scotlands People. Unfortunately, you won't know if it contains any additional info on Robert and Jean until you have a look at it.
Regards.
Monica
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Hi Monica
As you can see from my last post, i've come to a 'wall' again So frustrating, it certainly gets more difficult the further back the generations go. Is it just a case of 'take your pick?' I've come across this on other branches of my tree too :'( Jenc
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Hi Jenc
Sadly, records do become thinner and thinner on the ground the further back you go...pity.
Regards.
Monica
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The Robert Kirkcaldy I have comes from David and Margaret Meldrum. When I was working on this line some time ago, I made a note that I thought the marriage to Jane Taylor was his. As I have nothing to confirm this at the moment, I was hopeful that Monica might come up with the same thoughts.
I have been watching this thread as Balmerino is very small and I felt there would be a link with our research.
Kilsyth
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Something draws me to David Kirkaldy and Margaret Meldrum being the parents of Robert. It might only be because they were married in Kilmany, or that a Margaret Meldrum was born in 1721 in Moonzie :-\.
Robert's son David (of the elusive birthplace!) is buried in Moonzie churchyard, he died at Star, Kilmany 17th November 1865 aged 58, according to the stone. Also buried there is his son Robert, died 1920 aged 87,along with various other members of the family.
Jenc
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Do you have the names of the other family members? Maybe they would help to confirm our thoughts.
Kilsyth
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Hi Kilsyth this is as good as it gets....I visited Moonzie kirkyard way back in the 1970's when the inscriptions on the stones were legible. The reason we were there was ,because another family member had gone to Register House in Edinburgh and researched the family and had got as far back as Robert Kirkcaldy, father of the 'Elusive David' but for many years have been stuck at Robert......we visted a few kirkyards then found out where some of the family were buried........ here goes ..Moonzie.....'Erected by Euphemia Walton, in memory of her husband David Kirkcaldy, who died at Star 17th November 1865 aged 58 years.
Erected by Joan Kirkcaldy in memory of her mother Isabella Johnstone, died 11th February 1889 aged 55, also her brother William, died 7th March 1902 aged 39, also her father Robert Kirkcaldy, died 21st February 1920 aged 87 years.
Any thoughts? or is this too recent.
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Thank you for the information. I haven't been able to make the link .................... yet! I got the OPR for Robert and Jane Taylor's marriage but nothing more to go on. I stopped at this brick wall a number of years ago but will try again.
Kilsyth
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Hi Kilsyth
I'm sure we'll knock a hole in the wall eventually. Good Luck jenc
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Jen, I just tied in my Kirkaldy's to Robert Kirkaldy and Jean Taylor! I can't believe we are doubly related!
I also think I found a sibling of David Kirkaldy (thank you google!)
1875 death
Hellen TAYLOR, 79, Robert KIRKALDY (father), Jane TAYLOR (mother), James TAYLOR (spouse)
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/SCT-FIFE/2005-07/1120252002
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I found some submitted information on William Walton and Mary Law: http://www.gencircles.com/users/wonderg/1/data/87
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Hi Tunji
Looks like we are double cousins :) Jen
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jenc
Although you're struggling to pin down the parentage for your Robert at this stage given that he was married in the parish of Balmerino his roots may well lie in this parish.
The surname is not uncommon in the parish with numerous births/christenings back to the 1630s. There are also numerous spelling variants of the name used in the Balmerino IGI births/christenings including:-
Kerkaldie, Kirkcaldie, Kirkcaldy, Kircaldie, Kircaldy, Kirkcaledy and possibly even Knoaldie!
happy browsing!
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I just searched for Robert under the names Langtonian mentionned in Kilmany and Balmerino.
Sadly there are no possibly births from the extracted records.
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TunjiLess is correct, no sign of Robert appearing in the Balmerino OPR births and indeed there don't appear to be any births of this surname in the parish around the time Robert would have been born.
But interestingly there is one other Kirkaldy marriage around the time that Robert was married, could be a sister of his perhaps:-
MARGARET KIRKALDY married ROBERT IRELAND, 13 NOV 1795 Balmerino, Fife, Scotland.
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Hi Langtonian
Thanks for that, it's possible this could be Robert's sister. I keep going back to the thought that the possible parents are David Kirkaldy and MARGARET Meldrum, so that might just tie in with the naming system. Jenc
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Hi all
Just an update on the Kirkcaldy saga which might interest Kilsyth. Think we have dented the brick wall. You were on the right lines along Kilsyth!
;D
Found out that the Robert Kirkcaldy who married Jane/Jean Taylor was born in Flisk on the 28th March 1762 to David KIRKALDIE and Margaret Meldrum who in turn were married in Kilmany on 6th November 1756. Robert had 3 siblings (there may be more) namely, Helen born Kilmany 1757, Ann born Kilmany 1760 and David born 1769. David married Hay Thomson and had 2 sons James and David.
David KIRKALDIE may be the son of Robert Kirkaldie and Helen Smith :-\
I think I have narrowed down the parents of Jane/Jean Taylor, there was a Jean Taylor born to John Taylor and Janet Henderson in Newburgh in 1769. They were married on the 26th November 1768 in Balmerino, so it all seems to fit in.
Any thoughts anyone? Regards Jenc
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How did you manage to make the dent to confirm the link? Looks as if we have something to work on. Thanks for letting me know.
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Hi Kilsyth
I found Robert under Kirkaldie on IGI, and just went from there. Tunjilees worked on the 1851 census for Balmerino. The pieces of the puzzle just fell into place.
Good team work.
Jenc
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While I was at New Register House I searched in vain for the proof you mentioned. I just couldn't see how the 1851 census helped. What did I miss?
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One of the daughters of Robert Kirkcaldy and Jean Taylor was Helen who married James Taylor on the 6th June 1818 in Balmerino. They had 7 daughters born between 1820 and 1837. Tunjilees found that they are listed on the 1851 census for Balmerino, interestingly their neighbours are Hay Kirkaldy aged 89 and her granddaughter also Hay Kirkaldy aged 17 both birthplaces given as Cupar.
There is a record of a marriage between Hay Thomson and David Kirkaldie on the 9th April 1793 in the Canongate, Edinburgh. In all probability this David would appear to be the brother of our Robert.
The granddaughter Hay staying with her grandmother in 1851 would appear to be Hay Ann Kirkaldy, baptised in Cupar 28th Feb. 1833, parents James Kirkaldy and Euphemia Keddie, married on 12th July 1828 in Cupar.(no other siblings found)
There is only one other Hay Kirkcaldy born in the whole of Scotland, Hay Thomson Kirkcaldy, b. 11th December 1825, Balmerino, parents David Kirk(C)aldy and Margaret Stoddart married 2nd November 1822 in Balmerino (there are 6 other children on the IGI born in Edinburgh and Balmerino).
Could this other Hay Kirkcaldy be another granddaughter of the first Hay nee Thomson? it seems very likely. Looks like more research needed here though.
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Thank you for the information. I did notice this during my searches but I thought you had found the proof that the Robert Kirkcaldy who married Jane Taylor was the son of David and Margaret Meldrum. I still think it is. I suppose I wanted to be sure of the link before I added Jane Taylor and the rest of the information. Sorry for the confusion.
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Don' t think we will ever have proof, but I feel 100% sure we have the right parents for Robert. Will keep you up-dated if anything comes to light.
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:)Hi all; we are new to this but as my wife is a direct descendant of the elusive David Kirkcaldy/Kirkaldy/or whatever suits, we were really surprised to come across this topic and have found it very interesting. we have been searching my wifes family and had struggled to find the birth and/or death of Robert the son of David and Euphemia. We finally found his death just the other day and were really excited.
We have also struggled to find his father David until now. and All we can say is thanks for all your hard work. Just to give you a heads up on my wifes line here it is as briefly as I can put it:
Leslie Jean Haynes (nee Kirkcaldy) dau. of Robert Dempster Kirkcaldy son of Robert Kirkcaldy son of David Kirkcaldy son of Robert Kirkcaldy son of the elusive David and Euphemia.
All Leslie's cousins in Fife seemed to know were those buried in Leuchars and Tayport. We will have to send Leslie's cousin Robert Kirkcaldy from St Andrews off to Moonzie to see if he can find the grave stone which may no longer be legible.
We have only one question from the thread and that is how do we know that David's parents are Robert and Jane as we found the parents of a David Kirkaldy born Cupar 02/Aug/1808 and they were; William Kirkaldy and Helen Russell? we are probably amateurs at this so any confirmation of the parents would be fantastic. If you would like a copy I can send it.
Cheers from Downunder.
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Hi
So glad you got in touch, looks like Leslie and I are related. Her grandfather Robert Kirkcaldy was my grandfather's brother. I have sent you a personal message.
Jenc
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Glad to have caught up and thanks Jen for contacting us. Also found we are related to Tunji and he has been a help as well. Sounds like we could also be related to Kilsyth.
Now a couple of questions regarding Robert Kirkcaldy and Jane Taylor:
If Robert is right does anyone have any qualms about him being born in 1762 and then Married in 1792 a gap of 30 yrs? Common today but did it happen in the 17-1800's? Any examples would be great?
Also the Margaret Meldrum being born in 1721 sounds good but once again if you look at the birth of David she would be about 48. I know it could fit but it almost seems like there is a generation missing.
Is it possible that their births are not listed yet and SP were going to put up OPR deaths by about mid 2008, any updates
Found Hay Barclay Thompson's death. She was about 92 in 1864 the year of her death from SP Death Cert but from the 1861 Census she is 95 on the census date and still with the Grand Daughter, Hay Kirkaldy. Can't find her husband David yet. More on all this after some more research.
Cheers for now
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Hello is everyone within this discussion a Kirkcaldy or related to the Kirkcaldys? Please advice im trying to research my family history and my name is Bruce Kirkcaldy.
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Bruce, Hi and welcome to this thread. I am not a Kirkcaldy however my wife is a Kirkcaldy by birth and she is a 2nd cousin to jenc (also a Kirkcaldy by birth) whose username you will see as the owner of this thread. My wife and I are from Australia. Tunjilees is also a relation (3rd cousin once removed). We also are fairly new to this. If you are on here then perhaps you have joined Ancestry.com in which case you can view our public tree and get an idea of what we know.
:) ::)
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Hiya, i fished out an old email of a 3rd cousin of mine who has done some solid research and this is email he typed to me - can anyone find any parts where their own lines may fall into places?
Dear Bruce,
I remember my grandfather, David Kirkcaldy telling me of his brother who had left for Africa and had been an officer in the army and the story about kenya. later, researching recors on internet disproved any association with Nairobi. You story got me thinking again. However, I became a bit sceptical when some birth details may not have fitted. I remember my grandfather telling me about how his brother came back to Scotland for the burial of their father (Robert Kirkcaldy), the death being 20. february 1918. I
The facts are that on the baptism records of my grandfather (David Kirkcaldy born in Mipplort, Bue on 4th may 1899), his father Robert Kirkcaldy was not present (being in Glasgow). The uncle, Robert HUNTER was the witness present at that baptism. Robert Kirkcaldy his father had married Catherine Hunter at Old Mill Road, Uddingston on 20th February 1894. Robert Kirkcaldy had been born on 22 .12.1864 at Duchally Farm and was the son of an overseer David Kirkcaldy (married to Isabel Kirkcaldy on 31.12.1860). My grandfather David had many half sisters and brothers, but only one fullb-blooded brother, Robert Kirkcaldy (child of Robert Kirkcaldy and catherine Hunter, the adughter of a merchant seaman and herself a confectioner). That brother Robert Kirkcaldy had been born on 8th february 1897 in West George Street, Glasgow. Since their mother (Catherine "Hunter" Kirkcaldy)had died 3 years after his birth (six months after my grandfathers birth in 1899, and judging from the interest of the uncle Charles Hunter, it COULD be that the uncle left with the eldest son in 1898 for Africa. But then In June 1898 Robert your direct relative would have had to be an iunfant of some 1-2 years of age? Is that likely? He was having children judging by your comments from 1924-1929 (I think you did an error in tyoing Robert Charles birthdate as March 1824 and meant 1924?). The key to all this mystery would be if the relative Robert Hunter Kirkcaldy who left for Africa was born on 8.02.1897 in Glasgow. Does that fit?
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Bruce, We have no connection so far with these Kirkcaldy's but somewhere down the line I am sure they are connected.
All our Kirkcaldy's so far seem to be from Fife which is where the name seems to have originated.
Keep searching and keep us posted. We have found the IGI at the Family Search website useful along with ScotlandsPeople.gov.uk and Ancestry.co.uk but Ancestry has some problems with transcription errors from the originals which you can view on Scotlands People. You will find lots of variations of the name but don't let that stop you because a lot of the spelling was dependant on the registrar at the time.
Cheers ::)
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Hayalan.
Hi thanks for the reply. I am convinced that Jenc's mention of a Robert Kirkcaldy who died in 1920 could be my great great great grandfather. I need to look into the birth dates but it seems fitting because of the rough time frame and location. You all use IGI - this is new to me and I am going to go and check it out now!
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You lot might be interested to know that I run the Kirkcaldy Clan group on Facebook. I schemed upon the idea of doing a get together for Kirkcaldys of the world to meet up. My story has been picked up by the press - the event will be hosted in Kirkcaldy town:
http://www.fifetoday.co.uk/news/39Clan-Kirkcaldy39-plans-its-own.5039146.jp
Please advise if any of you are interested in coming along?
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Leslie and I are both on Facebook so we will search for you and hopefully we can add you.
About Robert Kirkcaldy:
He was born on abt 1832-33; we can't find his birth record yet. He says in Kilmany according to Census records.
He married Isabella Johnston on 5 Mar 1853 in Cupar, Fife
They had 11 children between 1854 and 1876
Isabella died on 11 Feb 1889 at Newton, Forgan, Fife
He married Isabella Morris on 7 Jun 1890 at St. Paul's Square, Perth
He died on 21 Feb 1920 at Gauldry, Balmerino
Isabella died on 13 Oct 1921 at Gauldry, Balmerino
You can get this from Ancestry on our tree or on Genes Reunited on Ours and Jennifer's trees
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Hi Bruce
Most interested in the Kirkcaldy clan gathering. I had a text message from my brother who lives on Majorca to say he had seen it too. What a great idea. I would love to be there.
Jennifer
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Bruce;
Just done a bit of research on your 3rd Cousin and traced him back to William Kirkcaldy and Agnes Brunton which is obvious where you will go as well but without any more details on you, your father and grand father I can't say for sure where you fit in. I have done up a descendancy chart from William Kirkcaldy and Agnes Brunton and am happy to send it to you. this should be a good kickstart for you and with a little bit of research you should be able to fill in the gaps.
Just looked their marriage up on the IGI: William Kirkcaldy married Agnes Brunton on the 24 DEC 1804 at Monimail, Fife, Scotland.
To do all this I used ScotlandsPeople to obtain the death certificate of the Robert Kirkcaldy your 3rd cousin mentioned that died 1818. From there I searched the census records on Ancestry.co.uk and found him with his parents. Then further back to the grandparents, James and Isabella. I then came forward again in the census to find approximately when James died. I then used ScotlandsPeople to find the death certificate of James which listed his parents as William Kirkcaldy and Agnes Brunton. Then it was onto Family Search to find their marriage. I am only an amateur but this only took about an hour of research. It then took me another 2 hours to put it all into PAF. I am a bit slow at typing.
We can't find any tie in to our line yet with William and Agnes but if you start working their line and we keep up on ours I feel confident that they will tie in eventually. Probably back in the 1600's.
I think Jennifer will agree.
Would love to attend the Kirkcaldy Clan but we can't get back for a couple of years yet.
If you send me your email address I can send your a gedcom file of what I have got. my email is: *
Cheers ;) ::)
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Hello everyone,
All this is very interesting and exciting. When is this gathering planned?
I have also been researching the Kirkcaldy line, though my last ancestor with that name died in 1921.
-Tunji Lees
Flanders, Belgium
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>:(Ooops!! sorry Bruce. The Robert that your 3rd cousin mentioned actually died as he stated in 1918 not in 1818 as I typed in error. His death certificate had his parents names. I also wonder if he knew that the second wife of Robert; Annie Laurie was their servant in the 1901 Census.
Cheers,
Alan
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hayalan thanks so much for all the research. my research has also led me to the brunton but i have now taken it further to 1774. my email address is (*) and i can be reached on (*). I get the impression that a connection can be made from not an immediate lineage but from an offshoot of a brother somewhere. The other Bruce Kirkcaldy mentioned two brothers, one of whom was called Alex Kirkcaldy who emigrated to Australia after the Crimean war - he is certain that the connection with us and the Tasmanian Kirkcaldys is from this line. You sound like an amazing researcher, I am so lame. My step grandmother also lives in Sydney (Elizabeth Kirkcaldy) - might you be interested to contact her if this is where you are based?
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so hayalan how do you know the second wife was called Anne Laurie and these details - i need to be schooled! Also Tunji - September 26th in Kirkcaldy town - anyone else available? Also does anyone here use facebook too?
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I use facebook under my name, Tunji Lees, but sadly, I doubt I'll be able to attend the gathering. I'm in Scotland for a month in April, then for a month and a half in the summer holidays, but will have to be back to Belgium in September before university starts again.
Tunji Lees
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Bruce; we are on face book. We have had a bit of a look at the Kirkcaldy's from Tasmania but no link yet. I can see though that your line with William and Agnes probably does as they seem to have had more children and that line with the Alexanders seem to have more whereas we seem to be pretty much stuck with Robert and David. I have checked out some possibles back to about 1700 and it just seems to be those two names as the main ones.
Did you know that of all the Kirkcaldy's listed on census records as living in the Orkney's; ScotlandsPeople have mo records of a Kirkcaldy being born or dying there from 1553 to today? There are also no recorded marriages of a Kirkcaldy there from 1553 to 1854. I can't check the statutory registers from 1855 to now because you need to enter a spouse surname. A very interesting piece of trivia. When we started thei I used to wonder why there seemed to be many Kirkcaldy's in the Orkney's but it appears now that they must only go there for a while. I wonder where they come from and why they went there. Does anyone have an answer to that
Now to the mystery of how we know about Annie Laurie:
Well when I got the birth certificate of Robert Kirkcaldy it showed him having been married to Catherine Hunter 1st wife and Annie Laurie 2nd wife. It also shows that she was there whenn he died. I will send you a copy. This is what comes from ScotlandsPeople and should demonstrate why it is such a good site. I have not found anywhere else that offers birth, death and marriage certificates for such a reasonable price. If only England and Wales would do the same.
I will also send a copy of James Kirkcaldy's death certificate.
You said you have gone back further than William and Agnes; would you mind sharing that info here as it may help us in our search for our Kirkcaldy's by being able to eliminate the ones you have.
The Linda Kirkcaldy you have talked to is Leslie's cousins daughter (1st cousin once removed).
Cheers
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Oooooooooops again
When we got the "Death" certificate of Robert Taylor Kirkcaldy it should have read.
Sorry I guess it is too early in the morning here. I got up at 3am and it is now just 5:15am Tuesday morning.
We are about 1300 klms north of Sydney on Brisbane's southern boundary in the city of Logan. Our cities are determined by population and not by Cathedrals. There are several cities here surrounding Brisbane and we are one of them. The city of The Gold Coast is right on our southern boundary.
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Here is the extent of my research in regards to ancestry.co.uk
Myself - born Malawi (*)
My Father (*) Born (*)
My grandfather - Robert Kirkcaldy born ? died 1992. Had one sister, Rosemary Kirkcaldy and another Catherine Kirkcaldy. Rosemary later married Joss Ackland and they had many children and many grandchildren.
His father was Robert Kirkcaldty born 1897 died 1954 married to Phyllis Nyasa Ryall (1900 -?)
His father was David Kirkcaldy (1837 - 1873) married to Isabella McPherson.
His father was James Kirkcaldy (1808 - 1889).
His father was William Kirkcaldy (1774 - 1844) married to Agnes Brunton.
That is the extent of my parental lineage of the Kirkcaldys in my line. However, I also have names of brothers at each generation and in one family there were around 8 family members of 6 brothers and 2 sisters. It also seems that at each generation there have been many brothers and a few sisters. Would you need these brothers names or will this suffice?
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Brothers and sisters of my forebears: Names and dates of birth - that is all that is known.
Brother of Robert Hunter Kirkcaldy (my great grandfather 1897 - 1954) - David Kirkcaldy (1899 - ?)
Brothers of David Kirkcaldy ( my great great grandfather 1937 - 1873) -
William 1835, James 1836, George 1839, Mary 1841, Alexander 1844, Agnes 1846, John 1850 and Robert 1856.
Cousins included: Cale/ James Kirkcaldy 1860, David Kirkcaldy 1862, John Kirkcaldy 1864, William Kirkcaldy 1868, Alex Kirkcaldy 1869 and Peter Kirkcaldy 1874.
I notice I have confused the generations but hopefully these names and dates of birth might allow for some collusion!
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check this website out -
http://mvs.ueuo.com/ged2web/p0000024.htm#I23281
it has a lot of the kirkcaldys from balmerino.
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I have some info on the Tasmanian Kirkcaldy link as my grandmother had a grandfather James Kirkcaldy who emigrated from Scotland (1859) with a brother William. He married Elizabeth Turnbull in Launceston, Tas (1862). The two brothers were bap. in Creich, Fife, 1835 & 1837 (ref IGI spelling 'Kirkaldie'). David (1839) appears to be the next brother in the family as mentioned in this forum. My research shows parents were James Kirkcaldy (1808) & Isabella Faernie/Fernie (1815). James (1835) and Elizabeth had 8 children in Tasmania. James (1808) was the son of William Kirkcaldy (1774) and Agnes Brunton. James (1835) had a son also named James (1862), my grandmothers father. I know James (1835) had been in the Crimean War. Does anyone have any info on the Crimea war record of James?
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Dear Matown,
Nice to hear from you. Does your post on the Kirkcaldy ancestors mean you are from Australia. My wife and I are. we have posted our tree on Ancestry.com and if you search for William Kirkcaldy you will find that William is the son of William K and Agnes Lumsden/Lumsdain. We have that William as a son of Robert K and Helen Smith/Smyth but we are not sure about it. That Robert and Helen are the direct ancestors of my wife and the originator of this thread jenc. They are 2nd cousins. However we do have quite a bit of info on William K and Agnes Lumsden and some of their other descendants which may help you to fill out your tree. If you do not have access to ancestry then you can email me at (*) and I can send you a descendancy chartfrom William K and Agnes L.
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the parent of helen who married james taylor are thomas kirkaldie and mary thomson i am a direct decendant of this line and have researched this line and have a lot of information on siblings from thomas kirkaldie and mary thomson
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Do you have Helen Kirkaldie/Taylor's death certificate to confirm this?
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i have just checked the death cert and i am sorry i got it wrong helen parents were robert kirkaldy and jane kirkaldy she died 1875 aged 79 again i sorry records are confusing sometimes
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I should have said 'Wecome to RootsChat'. We are here to help and I am pleased you found the answer. If there is anything you would like to check out with us, please just ask.
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Hi thanks for the welcome you might be able to give help me in the 1880 i had one family go to australia but they came home and in 1906 they went to buffalo new york and after that i have lost them they were
JAMES CALDER and CATHERINE NEE KIRKALDIE and their 5 children twins james margaret thomas mary elizabeth. Only been working on my dad family tree for a couple of months thanks Layna
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I have their marriage in 1882 and the birth of their twins but nothing more. My information came from searching the records at New Register House in Edinburgh.
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Hi kirkaldie and also welcome to this thread.
Just noticed you are chasing some Australian relatives. You might want to try matown as he is from Australia and has some info on his ancestors who went to Tasmania.
Cheers,
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Probably not relevant to anyone's researches, but the famous golfer, Open champion and golf-course designer Andrew Kirkcaldy was born at St. Andrews in 1860 to David Kirkcaldy, ironstone miner, and Margery McKenzie.
Harry
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Hi Layna
Don't know if you have gone further back from Robert and Jane Kirkcaldy, the parents of your Helen, but we have got that line back to 1702.
Jane's maiden name was Taylor, and we think she was born on the 1st October, 1769 in Newburgh, the daughter of John Taylor and Janet Henderson, who were married in Balmerino in 1768
Robert Kirkcaldy was born in Flisk on the 28th March 1762 and he was the son of David Kirkaldie (spelling of name changes here) and Margaret Meldrum.
David Kirkaldie was born in Kilmany on the 15th December 1734 and he was the son of ROBERT Kirkaldie and Helen Smyth
ROBERT Kirkaldie was born in Ceres on the 29th March 1702.
The siblings of your Helen were Janet 1795-1859, and David 1807 who married Euphemia Walton
David Kirkcaldy and Euphemia Walton were my direct ancestors.
Also just wanted to add a big thank you to Bruce for organising the Kirkcaldy Clan Gathering in Kirkcaldy on the 26th. A good time was had by all. Well done Bruce and Robert
Jenc
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can anyone throw any light on a Janet Kirkcaldy, born Balmerino, Fife, c1795. She married a Francis Birrell b 1790. Cant find anything on who her parents were, so any info would be much appreciated. Please note, I am new to Rootschat.
Many Thanks
Russell Edwards
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hi i think you have you dates mixed up if she was married in 1790 she coulnt have been born 1795.
I have a janet kirkcaldy born 1786 her parents were thomas kirkcaldy and mary thomson i am a decendant of this line janet was born in dumferline i have lots of info on the kirkaldy line spelt 4 different ways kirkcaldy kirkaldy kirkcaldie kirkaldie if i can help let me know
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can anyone throw any light on a Janet Kirkcaldy, born Balmerino, Fife, c1795. She married a Francis Birrell b 1790. Cant find anything on who her parents were, so any info would be much appreciated. Please note, I am new to Rootschat.
Many Thanks
Russell Edwards
Hi Russ58,
We have Janet Kirkcaldy born abt 1795 in Balmerino. She was the daughter of Robert Kirkcaldy (b 25 Aug 1762 in Flisk) and Jane Taylor (b 1 Oct 1769 in Newburgh). Janet had a sister Helen and a brother David. David is my wife's 3x Great Grandfather. How are you related as we have lots more info from present day back till about 1702.
Cheers,
hayalan52
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hi i think you have you dates mixed up if she was married in 1790 she coulnt have been born 1795.
I have a janet kirkcaldy born 1786 her parents were thomas kirkcaldy and mary thomson i am a decendant of this line janet was born in dumferline i have lots of info on the kirkaldy line spelt 4 different ways kirkcaldy kirkaldy kirkcaldie kirkaldie if i can help let me know
Hi sarnia23,
Please don't be offended but just read the post of Russ58 again carefully. You will see that he says Janet was born in 1795 which fits with our Janet. He says that her husband Francis Birrell was born about 1790 which also fits with the information we have. They were married on the 8 Nov 1812 in Balmerino.
I am fairly confident that the Janet you mentioned is from a different Kirkcaldy line. Yes you are right about there being many was to spell Kirkcaldy. We have so far I think; Kirkcaldy, Kirkcaldie, Kirkaldy, Kirkaldie, Kirkealdy, Kirkealdie, Kirkady, Kircaldy, Kircaldie.
We do believe that all the lines will join up if we can go back to about 900ad which will be a while though simply because there are records lost or missing or whatever. The important thing is to keep researching and contributing to sites where people are trying to find their ancestors.
We are all here to help each other and that is what it is about and we all make mistakes.
Cheers and Happy New Year.
Alan Haynes
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Hello,on facebook there are 98 kirkcaldy names
just maybe one could fit your family
sylvia
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hello
have you tried family search
sylvia
Historical Records
FamilySearch
kirkcaldy
place scotland
1650 to 1750
1-20 of 1566 results Kirkcaldy
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Hey Jenc,
Perhaps you may like to keep this thread going and it can still fit the title as we look for the birthplace of David the father of Robert who was born in 1702.
I am in favour of Ferryport on Craig (Tayport) as there were three brothers there that fit the time frame. Below is a list of the David's from SP. I am well aware that these are not all the records but one of these may be the one. They all at least fit into the right age bracket to be the father of Robert of 1702
01/12/1657 Kirkcaldy David John Kirkcaldy/JANNET BUNTHORNE U Kinghorn /FIFE
20/03/1667 Kirkcaldy David Alexander Kirkcaldy/ U Dunbog Church Records /FIFE
25/03/1670 Kirkcaldy David THOMAS Kirkcaldy/ M Dunbog Church Records /FIFE
12/01/1678 Kirkcaldy David Robert Kirkcaldy/ELSPET FERRIER FR68 M Ferry Port On Craig /FIFE
C'mon people you cracked the first one Jen put up so how about this one?
Happy New Year to all
hayalan52
Alan Haynes
Downunder
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Hi Hayalan
i am not offended i have not been able to find out much about my second family but there again what i have found out has been very intresting from being brought up being told there was no reletives to having quite a few.
As for facebook i was for lucky there i found a kirkcaldy who was the image of the kirkaldy men in my line and he was related and i am now in touch with his family, it seems through each generation the men all look alike. this family live in australia.
Now amount of thanks will ever be enough from the rootschatters on here as they helped me to find a line in america and i am now in touch with them.
The other thing i will say is all through my line the first names have been used over and over every first son born from 1736 was a thomas,
Sarnia23
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Yes Family Search is good because it is free and has a lot of records but as with any site you MUST remember that none of them have all the information. We have found records on Family Search that are not on Scotland's People and vice a versa.
3 Points of contact is a good rule of thumb or in other words 3 records of a person such as a birth, a marriage and a death record.
Cheers,
Alan Haynes
hayalan52
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Hi Alan
Thanks for the info. Janet Kirkcaldy is my 3 x gt grandmother on my mothers side of the family. Her father, James Birrell, born Glasgow 1894 was the son on Francis Birrell born Newburgh, 1854, who in turn was the son of David Birrell, born Newburgh, 1825, who again, in turn was the son of Francis Birrell and Janet Kirkcaldy.
So does this make us related, and if so how far removed?
Regards
Russ58
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Hi Again Alan
Do you have the details of Janet Kirkcaldy and Francis Birrells children. If not then i will post them on here.
Regards
Russ58
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Hi Russ,
Yes you are related directly to my better half. She was a Kirkcaldy.
I have sent you a PM with my email address.
You are 5th cousins through Robert Kirkcaldy (b 1762 in Flisk) and Jane Taylor (b 1 Oct 1769 in Newburgh)
Leslie has the Kirkcaldy line back as far as Robert and Helen Smyth
Cheers,
Alan
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Hi Hayalan and all you Kirkcaldys out there.
Happy to know this thread is still growing strong.....Tayport sounds a good bet to me, will try to do more digging soon.
Wishing you all a Guid New Year
Jenc
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The Harbour Shop in Tayport is being converted into a Community Cafe. They have just taken down the modern signage above the shop and underneath the signs are for a Confectioners and the propietor is C. Kirkcaldy.
Bob
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That is VERY interesting !! Would that have been pre WW11 signage I wonder? I do have cousins who still live in Tayport, so there might well be a connection there.
Jenc
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That is VERY interesting !! Would that have been pre WW11 signage I wonder? I do have cousins who still live in Tayport, so there might well be a connection there.
Jenc
I could be pre-WW2
Bob
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Extract from RootsWeb Leslie (Kirkcaldy) Haynes page:-
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=AHN&db=kirkcaldy&id=I97
Children of Maggie Mowat and Robert Kirkcaldy:
Christina Keith Kirkcaldy was born 29 Jul 1912 in , Fife, Scotland, and died 9 Dec 1983 in Tayport, Fife, Scotland.
This is the only C. Kirkcaldy I could find in the area.
Bob
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Thanks for that Bob, was thinking along that line, Christina was my dad's cousin, don't know much about her other than that she is buried beside her parents in Leuchars.
Jenc
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I thought that she would be known to you.
I'll ask around (I live in Tayport but not born here) to see if anyone know's who C. Kirkcaldy was and when it was open as a Confectioners.
Bob
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Jenc,
Hi and Happy New Year to all in the Northern Hemisphere.
I will ask Leslie but she is in bed right now so she can check it out tomorrow. It is now 11:30pm Monday night.
By the way Jen have you had much snow up there? About all we have had here is rain, rain and more rain. You may have seen some of the news reports about the flooding in Queensland. We have seen a bit about the snow in Britain.
We are quite safe where we are unless half of Brisbane goes under.
Cheers,
Alan
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Silly me I just realised that Christina was Leslie's Aunt. The youngest brother of Christina, Robert Dempster Kirkcaldy, was Leslie's Dad.
Leslie was over there in about 1975-1976 so she may have met her.
On another note Big Toshie, I see you are researching the McIntosh line. My older brother is married to a McIntosh. Her line goes back a few generations here in Australia. The town they originally settled in in Victoria is, and it really is, called Yackandandah (pronounced Yack-an-dan-dah). I am very certain that they came from Dundee before that. Do you have any from Dundee that came to Oz?
Cheers,
Alan
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Thanks for your help Bob, look forward to any news, :)
and Hi Alan ! Yes Leslie might know about Christina
We were snowed under for a while, forgot what the grass looked like, but it was nice to have a white Christmas. Not so nice were the slippy pavements :(
We were watching the news with the rain and flooding down your way, and happy to hear you are all safe and well.
Cheers and a' the best from Jen
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Alan,
I'm originally from Inverness and my MacIntosh ancestors came from Loch Ness side (Drumnadrochit). Specifically Bunloit crofts above Urquhart Castle (the ruined castle you see in photos of Loch Ness and the Monster!). Several of them did go out to Australia in the 1800s (as many did).
regards
Bob
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Hi again Bod
Matter of interest, we lived for 20 years in Inverness '78-'98 and walked our beloved labrador in the hills above Loch Ness and know Bunloit well, happy memories !
Jen
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Small world! :)
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I nipped out and took a couple of photos of the signs over the shop. However, they are too big to post here. If anyone wants a copy please PM me their email address.
Bob
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Hi again all,
Leslie did know her Aunty Chris and really liked her. She said she was lovely and yes the Confectionery shop was hers.
Leslie and Jen are 2nd cousins.
Bob; Are you related to the Kirkcaldy's because Leslie has some McIntosh's in the tree?
Leslie is up now and here is what she knows about Christina:
She was a quiet lady and went around a lot with her sister Jean (really Jane). They never married and that is probably why they spent time together. Leslie felt that Jean overshadowed Chris. She also has photos of the two of them together (several).
Chris never wrote but Jean did and was the provider of most of Leslie's original family history info on the Kirkcaldy family. Jean was the oldest of all the children and Leslie feels that is why she probably kept the information and kept in touch with us here in Australia. After Jean died in 1984 Isabell Scott (nee Kirkcaldy) took over writing. She was the last of the sisters children except for Robert Dempster still living. Isabell died the same year as Leslie's dad, Robert, 1996.
As for the shop Leslie thinks it had already been sold when she was there in 1976. Chris had already retired by that time. Leslie is not sure if Chris had the shop before WW2. She thinks Chris and Jean worked together in another shop selling clothes.
The confectionery shop is across from Jubilee Buildings which is where the Kirkcaldy's lived. Jean was still living there until she died in 1984.
Chris lived above the confectionery shop but Leslie is not sure if it was directly above. Her reason for this is that from Chris's flat she could not see Jubilee buildings and to get to the flat they had to go along from the shop then up a stairway.
My view from looking at the photos of Jean and Chris is that Leslie looked a lot like them or that there was a definite family resemblance.
Here are 2 photos of Chris. In the one with her sister Jean and niece Margaret taken about 1976 and the other of herself taken about 1980 about 3 years before she died.
:)
Cheers,
Alan & Leslie
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I am looking into the family line of the Kircaldy's. I think I may have some links with the family. Would be interesting to find out.
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Hi Jacqw
why dont you post some details see if we can help i am a kirkaldie by birth