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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Essex => England => Essex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: isy on Sunday 11 March 07 18:52 GMT (UK)
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I am trying to trace my grandfather - George Parker - I have got his death certificate (21/2/21) registered by his sister Lucy Street but cannot find his marriage certificate (spouse Annie Hurry or birth certificate. I think his parents were Thomas and Mary and other siblings Ellen, Maud and Arthur. Can any one help please
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Hi Isy,
Welcome to RootsChat :)
What else do you know about him? How old was he at death? When were his children born? :)
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Hi Tati,
Thanks for speedy reply.
He was 40 when he died in an accident at work (Laundry engineer), in Ilford, Essex and he had 2 children at the time, my father also George and Edith.
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Can you just tell us when the children were born, to help narrowing down the marriage year? :)
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Sorry, yes George was born in 1917 and Edith in 1919.
Thanks
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OK - have searched census in the meantime.
Is this the family in 1891?
RG12/1310 97 60
West Ham Stratford, Essex
58 Carpenters St
Thos Parker, head, 56, Boot Maker, b. Hunts Long Sutton
Mary, wife, Dress Maker, 50, b. Lincoln
Lucy, dau, 18, b. ??
Ellen, dau, 16, b. Essex Plaistow
Geo, son, 11, b. Plaistow
Maud, dau, 8, b. London Old. Ford?
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Yes, that is the family but on the 1901 census Lucy has disappeared and another brother appears.
I have tried BMD to find certificates but to no avail
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Hello Isy
I see from the 1901 census that George is shown as George T Parker.
Looking for a birth in the West Ham Registration District brings up a number of George Parker entries but only one with the second name beginning with T.
Births Sep 1879
Parker George Thomas W. Ham 4a 70
What do you think?
Barbara
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I have searched complete BMD between 1914 and 1917 and couldn't find a marriage.
1901 reveals that he is George T
Can anybody see the family in 1881? :P
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Thanks Barbara, it appears to be the right one - I will try for that certificate
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Tati
Not having much luck with the 1881 - they must be very badly transcribed or dodged the census!
Good luck with the certificate Isy.
Barbara
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Just for completeness sake, there's also Arthur Henry Parker June 1877 West Ham and Maud Mary Parker June 1882 Poplar :)
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Found the 1881 census - they are shown as Potter!!
Ref RG11 1714 f 120
Barbara
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Halleluya, Barbara !!! 8) 8) 8)
I just couldn't leave it and wasn't getting anywhere! ;D
Crikey, this time father Thomas was born in Bedfordshire :P
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Barbara & Tati,
You have made my day!! Being fairly new to this I was starting to get a bit frustrated.
Thomas does seem to have been born in many places, I have found him in Northampton, Lincoln and now Bedford.
Will keep you b oth informed
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Wasn't it a scrawl as well !
Thomas is obviously rather confused about his birthplace - not that unusual though :)
Yes, do keep us posted Isy
Barbara
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I am once again trying to find the marriage of George Thomas Parker and Annie Hurry my grandparents. I put this to bed a few years ago, but due to the interest of my 8 year old granddaughter, I am having another go and trying to find this information. George Thomas was born in 1878 at 5 Balaam Street, Plaistow, London and Annie was born in 1889 at 4 Grove Cottages, Ilford, Essex. Without this information I cannot trace George's parents. The only information I have on his family is that at his death in 1921 his sister Lucy who registered his death, her married name was Street and she lived in Lee, Kent.
If anyone out there can point me in a new direction I will be truly grateful and please one little girl, and hopefully encourage her interest.
Irene
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Have you already tried to find the marriage via rootschat - so we could see the previous suggestions?
Do you mean you cannot find George's birth certificate either, as that would have both parents' names?
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Link to previous post
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=220121.msg1150487#msg1150487
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A tree on Ancestry has his birth as 24th June 1879 in Plaistow, Essex and his
death as 21st February in Romford, Essex.
If that is him, this looks like the family in 1901
RG13; Piece: 1564; Folio: 160; Page: 29
West Ham
Thomas A Parker 67 Bootmaker Rusden, Northamptonshire
Mary A Parker 61 Long Sutton, Lincolnshire
Arthur H Parker 24 Drapers Assistant Plaistow
Ellen J Parker 26 Plaistow
George T Parker 21 Drapers Assisitant Plaistow
Maud M Parker 19 Plaistow
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groom,
I think that information is on the other thread...
Also a suggested birth to fit.
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There is this set of marriages - could Annie have been married before?
Marriages Dec 1909
BRETT Annie Maud
COLLINS Henry William
JORDAN Lilly Maud
PARKER George Thomas
Islington 1b 434
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In your other post you say he had a sister Lucy whose married name was Street
Lucy Parker married in 1898 to William George Street and her marriage cert shows her father as James Parker occ labourer. Lucy was 19 at the time of her marriage so born approx 1879
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groom,
I think that information is on the other thread...
Also a suggested birth to fit.
Thanks - noticed that after I'd posted! ;)
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In 1901 Lucy & William Street are in Bedfordshire - Lucy b 1880 Notting Hill
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Lucy was baptised 27.7.1879 St Clement Notting Hill parents James & Mary Ann Parker. James was a labourer
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Baptism of George Parker to same parents on 1.11.1882 also at St Clement. Address looks like 16 Tenterden St. Birthdate 22.4.1881
That date ties in with the age you say he was when he died (40 in 1921)
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George Thomas was born in 1878 at 5 Balaam Street, Plaistow
If he was born in Plaistow, I wonder why he was baptised elsewhere?
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I wondered if Annie married shortly after the 1911 census, and then married George (with or without Thomas).
Hurry seems to be a name that is often mis-transcribed.
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I don't know how that birth address was obtained given that no birth cert is available and his parents are unknown
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Just to clarify and rule out the 1909 marriage
Marriages Dec 1909
BRETT Annie Maud
COLLINS Henry William
JORDAN Lilly Maud
PARKER George Thomas
George T was aged 30 occ draper and father was Thomas Abel Parker occ bootmaker
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His death reg shows him as George - not George Thomas. Do his childrens birth certs have him as George Thomas or just George?
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Found Annie on last census , surname is mistranscribed
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There is the birth of a George Parker, mother Hurry in 1917 and a daughter in 1919
Births Dec 1917
Parker George Hurry
Romford
4a 711
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Hi Groom
I have asked for the 2 posts to be merged as the births above are shown at reply 4 of previous post. George is the posters father
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Thanks Carole - gets confusing!
I still can't see any marriage though.
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Topics merged
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Thanks Dawn.
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Can't see a marriage for George/ Annie ............ it's possible they didn't marry at all
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Can't see a marriage for George/ Annie ............ it's possible they didn't marry at all
That is what I'm wondering.
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There's a marriage in Notting Hill 1900
George Parker age 19 - father James Parker a labourer
To Annie Lockyer
Maybe that's why they didn't marry. Difficult to clarify that it's the same George Parker though.
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That same George Parker became a Laundry Engineer a few years later
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Groom , think I found George in 1911, have sent you a PM , to see if you think I'm right !
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Tree on ancestry with Parker/Street marriage has this as 1891 census:
Living at 10 Royal Crescent Kensington
James Parker 51 Labourer all born Kensington
Mary A Parker 49 [41] ancestry age and a corrected age
James Parker 23
Presulla Parker 27 [21]
Eorcly Parker 18
John Parker 16
Lucy Parker 12
George Parker 16 [10]
Edward H Parker 6
William Parker 1
RG12 Piece 22 Folio 139 Page 54
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Could I ask why have we moved away from the 1901 census where George T is shown to be a Drapers Assistant with a father Thomas who was a bootmaker and assumed the 1909 marriage which ties in with this is not correct? Just because Annie has the wrong surname?
George's address is given as Stratford (Essex) which would tie up with everything else we know.
There is a George Parker born Plaistow in Camberwell district in the 1911 census and a possible death of Annie M Parker in Lambeth district who could be the right age if the 1909 marriage is correct.
Isy, could I ask how you have a specific place of birth without a birth certificate?
How did you arrive at the suggestion his father was called Thomas?
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There is a tree online with the Annie Brett marriage but an almost identical date of birth. That George Parker died much later in Sussex.
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I, personally, went along with the children of James (which Carole W found) as that daughter, Lucy, married a Street. Whereas the Lucy from Thomas' family appears to have married a Henry Davis.
Also, George with father James was a Laundry Engineer by 1911. Same as occupation on death cert.
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There is a tree online with the Annie Brett marriage but an almost identical date of birth. That George Parker died much later in Sussex.
That's the one I was looking at last night , thinking it was Isy's man , but I don't think its him , there's too much source evidence to prove otherwise ie probate records for Annie Maude Parker nee Brett
The George Parker born to James and Mary baptised in 1882 ( as mentioned in a previous post ) marries an Annie Lockyer in 1900, In 1901 he's a carman and Annie born Barking , 10 years on George has the same occupation as Isy's man had on death . Maybe he separated from Annie and took up with Annie Hurry .
Lucy Street who Isy said was informant had a daughter who married a Robert Hurry, ( born Ilford in 1887 ) Robert is on 1901 census with widowed father also Robert and an 11 year old sister Annie
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So if Isy has a birth certificate and the father is shown as Thomas, then she may have the wrong birth cert
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If anyone out there can point me in a new direction I will be truly grateful and please one little girl, and hopefully encourage her interest.
Should be fun trying to explain this rather complicated family to an 8 year old. ;D ;D
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So if Isy has a birth certificate and the father is shown as Thomas, then she may have the wrong birth cert
it seems like it ,