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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lincolnshire => Topic started by: sentance on Friday 26 November 04 03:36 GMT (UK)
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I'm interested in hearing from anyone even remotely related to the Sentance family, mainly from south-west Lincolnshire near Grantham. I have extensive information on the Sentances, as well as a few related families - Rawden, Goodband, Jenkinson, Essington would be a few more significant ones.
Barrowby in the 1800's and Great Ponton in the 1700's were particularly full of Sentances.
Willing to share!
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Hi Sentance,
I hope you can help me on this.
In your information on the Rawden's have you ever come across an Elizabeth RAWDEN/RAWDING, born in Barkston or Hough on the Hill,Lincs in about 1803.I think(though I'm not at all sure)that her parents may have been called George and Ann.I also think she married a Richard PACY/PACEY of Elston,Notts in about 1830 in Farndon,Notts.If this is the Elizabeth I'm looking for then she went on to settle in East Stoke and Elston,Notts.
Does this ring any bells?
I look forward to hearing back from you,
Trisha.
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My Rawdens start with a William who marries Sarah Sentance in 1834. My records (based on transcription of the 1881 census) have him born in 1812 or so in Leadenham, just north of Hough on the Hill (about as far again as Hough is north of Barkston. Though I've just checked the 1871 census (the image is a good bit clearer by the way) and that seems to indicate he was born about 1799.
In the IGI the closest there is to the first date is a William Rawdin born 1810 as in your case to a George and Ann, this time in Brant Broughton, just west and a bit north of Leadenham. This seems to be part of a family, mostly listed as Rawdings though some Rawdens early on, could be Elizabeth's, but moving a bit?
There is also, however, a William Rawding born in 1799 in Leadenham, so thats more likely mine. His parents are Richard and Frances.
I did by the way also find a marriage of a George to an Ann Pask in 1792 in Brant Broughton
A look at actual parish registers might help - it looks like either the name was in flux or the transcription varies, or both (or the person writing things down varied the spelling)
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Hi Sentance,
Many thanks for your help.I bet there is some relationship ,like you say to the Rawdings you found on the IGI .I've been wondering myself if the family moved about .The same Elizabeth also ,in 1 census,gave her birthplace as Hough.She also married in Farndon which is just south of Newark upon Trent which is a couple of villages up from where her husband was born.Perhaps her father was a labourer.Like you said this needs a look at parish records I think.Something for the future though as at the moment I can't go out to :) the record offices due to illness.
So as I said at the top of my reply,many thanks for your help.
Trisha. :)
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I have an Elizabeth SENTANCE very loosely connected to my tree. She married William PALMER (my 3xgt. uncle) at Edenham on 26 Aug 1826. I have nothing more on this family. Maybe you can fill in some gaps. :)
Lynda
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Not sure if I replied to this - I've been ignoring the board for a bit. I haven't anything on their descendants, but Elizabeth is the daughter of Joseph Sentance (b 1774, Boothby Pagnell) and Sarah Porter (b circa 1776, Edenham).
Let me know if you want more.
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Hi
Do you have a Valentine sentance born abt 1741 married Mary Essington they are my 6x great grand parents any info would be a great help.
Regards Laura
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Laura,
There are lots of trees on Ancestry with Valentine married to Mary Essington.
His Father could be Broughton Sentance(1708), and his grandfather Valentine Sentance(1657) and his greatgrandfather Thomas Sentance (1616).
But there are lots of Sentances around.
The trees might be all copying each other, but they could also all be correct.
Added:
Then further backwards Richard, 1588 and Christopher, 1559.
http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Sentance-33
http://www.myheritage.com/names/christopher_sentance
http://www.sentance.com/sentance_family.htm
and lots more, so just google search.
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It is not my family but my grandparents were from Grantham and on visits to my Great-Aunts there in the 1950's on Wharf Road, not far from the junction with St Peter's Hill, on LH side was White & Sentence a shop that sold pianos. I thought this could be of interest to you. Every best wish with your FH hunting.
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Hi
Do you have a Valentine sentance born abt 1741 married Mary Essington they are my 6x great grand parents any info would be a great help.
Regards Laura
Hi Laura
Valentine and Mary are my 6 x great grandparents too! If you want to swop progress let me know! I’ve got a bit stuck with Valentine’s grandfather! There are records online in people’s trees but there are no sources so I’m reluctant to believe!
Thanks
Sharon
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MARRIAGE;
06 Nov 1764, St James, Skilington
Valentine SENTENCE age 21, Servant of Boothby Pannel Parish to Mary ESSINGTON age 24 Spinster
BAPTISM of Valentine 11 Sep 1741 Folkingham to BROUGHTON/REBECKAH
BURIAL of Valentine 04 Mar 1809, St Andrew, Boothby Pannel age 68
All on FreeREG
Other records Boothby;
Elizabeth DEWEY
Broughton SENTANCE Marriage 11 Dec 1750
BURIAL of Broughton 6 Apr 1762 Spalding age 53
There is also another Marriage 07 Jul 1756 for a Broughton S to Isobel CANNOR
Trish :)
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Rebakah S buried Oct 1742 Folkingham, Wife of Broughton
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Thanks so much for these! I had a couple but not all of them. I wonder how many wives Broughton had! Possibly three by the looks of it! I know Broughton’s parents were Valentine and Mary but can’t seem to get any info about those two.
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Broughton may have been married to or had children with as many as 7 women in a variety of locations. Rebecca Tomason, Ann Watson, Elizabeth Dewey, Isabel Cannor, Mary Green, another Elizabeth, and Anne Brauns
Documentation for his father and mother is limited. No birth record for Valentine, though naming his son Broughton suggests a connection to Thomas Sentance and Ann Broughton. He could be their son, or the son of their son Broughton. Mary was his first wife, no last name that I've found, died 1721. His second wife was Ann Tooley.
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Valentine Sentance (1741-1809) and Mary Essington (1742-1813) are my 6 x great grandparents too. Their eldest son William (1769-1839) and his wife Mary Taylor (1770-1808) are my 5 x great grandparents. No doubt we will all be related.
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Hi Steve!
Have you made quite a comprehensive tree with them in. Perhaps we could trace our connection? Are you on ancestry? Done dna? I haven’t looked at the Sentences in quite a while!
Sharon
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My tree is on Ancestry (Username: 28SJackson). If you are an Ancestry user as well I can share it with you.
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I’ve tried typing in 28SJackson into member search but it doesn’t seem to find you...?
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Let me have your profile details and then I can share the tree with you.
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My user name is shazzandazza and the tree is called MY FAMILY TREE 2019 (actual name is Sharon Kendrick).
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Thanks I’ve got your invite! Will try and have a look at it soon. How confident are you with your findings?
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For those interested in Sentances, there is a Sentance Facebook group
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I've just started researching my Sentance side of the family. My great grandma Elizabeth Sentance, born 1858, Norwell, Nottingham. She married Henry Bartholomew Carter (from Roxby, Lincolnshire) in 1883, Hawton, Notts and they moved to Sheffield, South Yorkshire. Their marriage certificate shows her father as William Sentance, Shepherd. I recently entered these details on FamilySearch and it appears from the Tree on there that John Isaac Sentance could be her father and I have left a message on there in case anyone visits the page to ask if John could be William as often back then, different names were used. However, not seen any records of John Isaac Sentance having the name William, but John was also a shepherd and in that family. John's wife was Mary Horton and the witness on Elizabeth and Henry's marriage was Henry Horton. Would love to hear from anbody who might have an idea. Also, I have seen from these messages and another forum that there is a Facebook forum for Sentance family but have not been able to find it. Thanks
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I've just started researching my Sentance side of the family. My great grandma Elizabeth Sentance, born 1858, Norwell, Nottingham.
She married Henry Bartholomew Carter (from Roxby, Lincolnshire) in 1883, Hawton, Notts and they moved to Sheffield, South Yorkshire. Their marriage certificate shows her father as William Sentance, Shepherd.
Do you have Elizabeth's birth certificate showing parents names?
If not, you can obtain a digital image from GRO cost £3.00 and the image is available to view once payment is complete and a link to the image is provided on the order confirmation screen.
SENTANCE, ELIZABETH mmn HORTON
GRO Reference: 1858 S Quarter in SOUTHWELL, NOTTS Volume 07B Page 257
Mary's husband not with her on 1861 census ???
Surname transcribed as SENTAWER on Anc*y
1861 c Piece 2474
Folio 83
Page number 19
Mary 21 Head Ag lab’s wife
Elizabeth 2 Daughter
William H 2m son
SENTANCE, WILLIAM HENRY mmn HORTON
GRO Reference: 1861 M Quarter in SOUTHWELL, NOTTS Volume 07B Page 274
1871 census husband named John :-\
1871 census Piece 3537
Folio 56
Page number 2
John Sentance 35 Head occ Shepherd
Mary Sentance 31 Wife
Elizabeth Sentance 12 Daughter
William Sentance 10 son
Sarah A Sentance 7 Daughter
Fanny Sentance 6 Daughter
Mary Sentance 4 Daughter
John Sentance 9/12 Son
SENTANCE, SARAH ANN mmn HORTON
GRO Reference: 1863 J Quarter in SOUTHWELL NOTTS Volume 07B Page 284
SENTANCE, FANNY mmnHORTON
GRO Reference: 1865 J Quarter in SOUTHWELL NOTTS Volume 07B Page 287
SENTANCE, MARY mmm HORTON
GRO Reference: 1867 M Quarter in SOUTHWELL, NOTTS Volume 07B Page 286
SENTANCE, GEORGE mmm HORTON
GRO Reference: 1868 J Quarter in SOUTHWELL, NOTTS Volume 07B Page 293
SENTANCE, JOHN mmn HORTON
GRO Reference: 1870 S Quarter in SOUTHWELL, NOTTS Volume 07B Page 292
This is the only Sentance marriage entry to a Mary Horton
John Isaac Sentence
Registration Dec 1857 Newark Nottinghamshire Volume 7b Page 519
Records on Page (Name)
Mary Hooton
Mary Horton
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Baptism of Elizabeth fathers occupation Labourer, abode Norwell - image available to view on Anc*y
Elizabeth Sentance
Baptism 14 Aug 1858 Norwell, St. Laurence, Nottinghamshire
Father JOHN Sentance Mother Mary
Nottinghamshire, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1922
Edit to Add 1861 census
John Sentance, Mar. age 23 occ Shepherd
Relation Servant
Where born Barrowby, Lincolnshire
Civil parish Ossington
County/Island Nottinghamshire
Country England
Registration district Southwell
Piece 2475 Folio 11 Page number 15
Head George F Drabble age 27, wife, 2 children plus 6 other servants
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It looks as if Elizabeth was a witness to her sister Sarah Ann's marriage in 1881, Sarah Ann's father named as JOHN, occ labourer, the other witness to the marriage was a John Sentance
Sarah Ann Sentance age 17 married 4 Apr 1881 Hawton, All Saints, Nottinghamshire
Spouse George Carnell - image available to view on Anc*y as is Elizabeth's
Nottinghamshire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1937
Have added a snippet of the signatures from the marriage records on Anc*y
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Is it possible that a mistake was made on Elizabeth's marriage for whatever reason and her brother William's name given :-\ as all the following siblings marriages father named John - images available on Anc*y
Fanny’s marriage 1886 to Charles Seward
father John, shepherd,
one with William Sentence
Mary’s marriage 1889 to Richard Hitchcock
father John, labourer
Witnesses Fanny & Charles Seward
Walton’s marriage 1897 to Louisa Johnson
father John, labourer
One witness M Sentance
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Thank you so much Ladyhawk for taking the time to research this. I've been a year researching all 4 sides of my family and switch from one to another. I have only started Sentance a few weeks ago. I haven't been paying for any certificates and am aware I can get these and will do if I get a brick wall. Great idea to get the other marriage witnesses and signatures, something I haven't yet thought about. Forgot to mention, but you will have seen, Fanny Sentance was another witness on my Elizabeth's marriage and she was on one of John's children's marriage, although obviously not necessarily the same Fanny, but with that and Henry Horton being a witness too (Mary Horton's father is Henry Horton so if it's the same Elizabeth, he would be her grandfather). The signatures of Elizabeth do look similar, don't you think, but she messed up her signature on the other one. I'm interested now to see Fanny's signature so can check for that next time I visit the library as that's where I access Ancestry free. All the info you gave about the children are what I had seen on FamilySearch so that is the one on there, but his middle name is Isaac. You could be right about the William being her brother as errors must happen all the time. My Elizabeth married Henry Bartholomew but I've seen records with him John Bartholomew and Henry Bartholomew Carter (his father was called Henry Bartholomew Carter as he married a woman called Carter). Later on Henry dropped 'Bartholomew' and was known as just Henry Carter.
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This appears to be John’s birth entry
SENTANCE, JOHN ISAAC mmn WALTON
GRO Reference: 1837 D Quarter in GRANTHAM UNION Volume 14 Page 288
John & Mary name a son Walton
SENTANCE, WALTON mmn HORTON
GRO Reference: 1875 J Quarter in SOUTHWELL, NOTTS Volume 07B Page 351
No image to view on Anc*y this appears to be John’s baptism
John Isaac Sentance
Birth 17 Sep 1837
Baptism 15 Oct 1837 Barrowby,Lincoln
Father Valentine Sentance Mother Frances
1851 census John is listed as Isaac parents Valentine & Frances
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGN2-6TW
1841 census Val’e transcribed as Dale
Piece 615
Page number 19
Dale Sentance 29 Shepherd
Frances Sentance 26
Walton Sentance 5
JOHN Sentance 3
Sarah Sentance 2
William Sentance 11 Mo
Valentine Sentance
Marriage 16 May 1835 Barrowby,Lincoln
Spouse Frances Walton
For info. Burials
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/194669704/valentine-sentance
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/194669748/frances_sentance
Mary Horton
Baptism 27 Oct 1839 Norwell and Carlton On Trent Nottingham
Father Henry Horton Mother Elizabeth
HORTON, MARY mmn RICKETT
GRO Reference: 1839 S Quarter in SOUTHWELL Volume 15 Page 617
1841c Piece 866 Page number 25
Henry Horton 20
Elizabeth Horton 20
Mary Horton 1
Marriage
1838 Dec Southwell Nottinghamshire Volume 15 Page 1189
Henry Horton
Female name on same page
Elizabeth Rickett
Mary’s sister Sarah married 1868 Spouse William Henton - image on Anc*y
one witness named Mary Sentance
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My Elizabeth married Henry Bartholomew but I've seen records with him John Bartholomew and Henry Bartholomew Carter (his father was called Henry Bartholomew Carter as he married a woman called Carter).
Later on Henry dropped 'Bartholomew' and was known as just Henry Carter.
For info.
surname Bartholomew on 1891 census
Henry, Elizabeth & dau Annie
BARTHOLOMEW, ANNIE mmn SENTANCE
GRO Reference: 1883 D Quarter in NEWARK Volume 07B Page 449
Surname Bartholomew on 1901 census
Henry, Elizabeth, Annie, Mabel & John Henry
CARTER, MABEL BARTHOLOMEW mmn SENTANCE
GRO Reference: 1895 D Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 09C Page 537
CARTER, JOHN HENRY BARTHOLOMEW mmn SENTANCE
GRO Reference: 1895 D Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 09C Page 537
Mabel & John Henry Bartholomew CARTER born 25 Sep 1895
Baptism 23 Oct 1895 Sheffield, St John, Park, Yorkshire
Father John , farm labourer Mother Elizabeth - image on Anc*y
Abode Windy House Farm
Surname CARTER on 1911
John Henry, Elizabeth, John Henry, Mabel, Nellie gd/dau her 1903 bapt. mother named Annie CARTER
Surname CARTER on 1921
John Henry Bartholomew, Elizabeth Bartholomew, John Henry Bartholomew
John Henry Bartholomew CARTER married 27 Mar 1922 at Sheffield, St Peter, Abbeydale, Yorkshire
Father Henry Bartholomew Carter - image on Anc*y
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Thank you again. I have access to all John Issac Sentance's family on FamilySearch. I checked out his brother William but dates don't fit. I'll be visiting the library again shortly to access Ancestry so what I need to do is check for Fanny as a witnesses at all John Issac's children's weddings, including Mary's you gave, to see if signatures match.
I have already done the Bartholomew/Carter side of things thank you. I didn't make it clear when I mentioned them, that I was pointing out the difference in the use of names when I was agreeing with you about William possibly being entered in error. What you did give is the son John Henry Bartholomew's marriage date so I can get a marriage certificate hopefully from Ancestry as they uploaded Sheffield ones recently.
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Here's Fanny's signature
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I have already done the Bartholomew/Carter side of things thank you.
What you did give is the son John Henry Bartholomew's marriage date so I can get a marriage certificate hopefully from Ancestry as they uploaded Sheffield ones recently.
Not sure if you have the burial information for JHBC and his parents... the information is available on sheffieldindexers, gives cemetery name & grave number
search burials, enter cemetery name and surname Carter
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I can't see any other marriages with Fanny as a witness
There's a marriage in 1903 for a Joseph age 23 father John, Shepherd
the witnesses are a Mabel & R SENTANCE
There are these two birth entries
SENTANCE, JOSEPH mmn HORTON
GRO Reference: 1879 D Quarter in SOUTHWELL NOTTS Volume 07B Page 371
SENTANCE, JOSEPH WALTON STEVENITT
GRO Reference: 1880 M Quarter in GRANTHAM Volume 07A Page 500
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Not sure if you have the burial information for JHBC and his parents... the information is available on sheffieldindexers, gives cemetery name & grave number
search burials, enter cemetery name and surname Carter
Yes I regular visit Indexers - thank you.
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I can't see any other marriages with Fanny as a witness.
There's a marriage in 1903 for a Joseph age 23 father John, Shepherd
the witnesses are a Mabel & R SENTANCE ...
Thank you - still difficult to tell with Fanny's signature. They look similar, but smaller. Signatures I've seen don't seem to vary much from one person to another. I suppose it was how they were taught to write back then. JHBC and Elizabeth's only daughter was Mabel too - I was thinking named after her sister, but that would have been a popular name.
I'm sure it's the same family. Married in the same church too and I've not come across another family in my research so far that fits dates and area.