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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Sussex => Topic started by: Sandie X on Friday 02 March 07 15:28 GMT (UK)
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Hi
Please can anyone help me find the parents of a George Langridge born 1818 - 1823 East Grinstead. The reason I have put 1818 - 1823 is that on the 1851 census he is shown as being born 1823 and the other subsequent census he is shown as being born 1818 - 1819. He was married to an Eliza Bailey or Tiley and lived in Croydon. They had 8 children as far as I can tell.
There is another George Langridge born 1823 on the 1851 census parents were Robert Langridge and Mary Ann Thomas. This Robert was born according to the 1841 census c 1771 East Grinstead. If it's not too much to ask can anyone please tell me who his parents were.
It is very frustrating having these two unattatched families.
Kindest regards
Sandie
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Hi Sandi
just had a look on the Family Search.org site .
George Langridge Christened 28.4.1822 East Grinstead
Parents listed as Joseph Grinstead & Frances Unknown
Is this your Guy?
Source Information:
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C070561 1705 - 1727 0919114-115, 0416752 Film 6901179 Film
C070561 1743 - 1818 0919114-115, 0416752 Film NONE
C070561 1818 - 1876 0919114-115, 0416752 Film NONE
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Hi
If it is your George Langridge
His mothers surname was Frances HISTED
Marriage to Samuel on 4th Oct 1819 East Grinstead.
Source Information:
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M070561 1678 - 1719 0919114-115, 0416752 Film 6901211 Film
M070561 1743 - 1875 0919114-115, 0416752 Film NONE
Sheet: 00
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Hi
Sorry Ignore that last posting
There may be a connection but not sure
Judi
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Hi Judi
Thanks but have been down that route........there seems to be nothing on the usual websites for this George that I have found so far.
Here is the census information for the George whose parents I am looking for
1851 England Census
Middle Heath Lane, Croydon, Surrey
Croydon, Surrey
Eliza Langridge 23 ( 1828 )
George Langridge 28 Builders Labourer ( 1823 )
George Langridge 8 Months
James Langridge 3
1861 England Census
Cherry Orchd Road 1 Park Cottages, Croydon, Surrey
Eliza Langridge 32 Laundress ( 1829 )
Eliza Langridge 5
George Langridge 42 Carpenter ( 1819 )
George Langridge 11 Scholar
Henry Langridge 2
Mary Ann Langridge 16
1871 England Census
Cherry Orchd Road 1 Park Cottages, Croydon, Surrey
Eliza Langridge 42
Frederick Langridge 5
George Langridge 53 Carpenter ( 1818 )
Henry Langridge 12 Scholar
Lilley Langridge 3 Scholar
William Langridge 9 Scholar
1881 England Census
Cherry Orchd Road 1 Park Cottages, Croydon, Surrey
Geo. LANGRIDGE Head M Male 63 Forest Row, Sussex, England Carpenter (1818 )
Eliza LANGRIDGE Wife M Female 55 Croydon, Surrey, England
Harry LANGRIDGE Son Male 22 Croydon, Surrey, England Painter
Wm. LANGRIDGE Son Male 20 Croydon, Surrey, England Labr
Alfd. LANGRIDGE Son Male 16 Croydon, Surrey, England Stable Lad
Lillie LANGRIDGE Daur Female 14 Croydon, Surrey, England Scholar
1891 England Census
38 Lahore Road, Croydon, Surrey
Eliza Langridge 67
George Langridge 73 ( 1818 )
Sandie X
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Hello All,
I'm sorry Sandie, but I'm partly going with Judi (except for father's name). I've just spent the evening going through the fiche for St Swithuns Baptism Register, 1813 to 1827 and can only find two George Langridge:
Entry No. 955 28th April 1822
George, son of Samuel and Frances Langridge
Abode; Forest Row
Father's occupation; Carpenter
Entry No.1076 15th June 1823
George, son of Robert and Mary Ann Langridge
Abode; East Grinstead
Father's occupation; Labourer
There appear to be three further sons for Samuel and Frances;
Henry, baptised 9th April 1820
Samuel, 22nd August 1824
William, 31st May 1830
From the Sussex Marriage Index:
East Grinstead
4th October 1819
Samuel Langridge, bach
Frances Histed, sp
botp, Banns
I can't help you with the birth for Robert Langridge, I'm afraid, but it is unlikely that he was baptised in East Grinstead, as the IGI has always been 100 per cent for East Grinstead when I have used it as a check. The 1851 census makes Robert's year of birth 1867, for which I can only find a Henry Langridge, son of George and Elizabeth. They appear to be the only Langridge couple having children in East Grinstead at the time.
Regards,
Phil
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Hello again,
Sorry Judi, I somehow skipped your second post where you had Samuel as the father.
Sandie,
I've just looked at my 1841 census index and if the Robert Langridge you quoted is the one in East Grinstead Town, age 70, Ag Lab, living with John and George, both plumbers and Julia Benfield, then he is listed as not born in county
Perhaps some-one with access to the images will be able to check it out. I'm afraid I only have an index so can't provide the references.
Phil
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I've just looked at my 1841 census index and if the Robert Langridge you quoted is the one in East Grinstead Town, age 70, Ag Lab, living with John and George, both plumbers and Julia Benfield, then he is listed as not born in county
Perhaps some-one with access to the images will be able to check it out. I'm afraid I only have an index so can't provide the references.
I've just checked this and yes it does show Robert Langridge as not born in county. They lived in Chapel Lane. He could of course have been born in Surrey or Kent - not much more than a stones-throw away from east Grinstead. Try Lingfield, Surrey - some of my Gibbs oscillated between East Grinstead and Lingfield.
JULIAN
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Hi Julian long time no speak hope your Langridge problem has been sorted, hope I was some help a while back.
Hi Phil
Thanks for your help I appreciate that sometimes on the census returns half of the DOB's are inaccurate.
Using the fathers occupation of Carpenter it is potentially possible that my George 1818 - 1823 who married Eliza was the son of Samuel and Frances ???
I will have to keep hunting
All your help is very welcome.
Sandie X
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My Gatton family moves across the East Grinstead/Lingfield boundary as well, by literally being on the wrong side of the road.
There are a lot of Langridge families in Worth, so try Horne, Burstow, Godstone etc as well.
Does George consistently give Forest Row as his place of birth? I don't know how well you know the area, but Forest Row is a village about 3 miles south of East Grinstead and was part of East Grinstead parish.
Phil
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Would it be a good idea to get a marriage certificate to prove who George's father was? Or at least search for the marriage in the parish register? I know it costs a bit but one certificate can save hours of work going down the wrong line. Neither Samuel nor Frances appear as names for his children which is a little odd if they are his parents. Getting a child's birth would confirm the Eliza's maiden name too.
All BMDs are free to search on www.ancestry.co.uk Choose the complete version.
Andrea
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Hi
Phil - George gives Forest Row as his birth on the 1881 census:
1881 England Census
Cherry Orchd Road 1 Park Cottages, Croydon, Surrey
Geo. LANGRIDGE Head M Male 63 Forest Row, Sussex, England Carpenter (1818 )
Eliza LANGRIDGE Wife M Female 55 Croydon, Surrey, England
Harry LANGRIDGE Son Male 22 Croydon, Surrey, England Painter
Wm. LANGRIDGE Son Male 20 Croydon, Surrey, England Labr
Alfd. LANGRIDGE Son Male 16 Croydon, Surrey, England Stable Lad
Lillie LANGRIDGE Daur Female 14 Croydon, Surrey, England Scholar
Looking at the map I realise Forest Row is close to EG a lot of my Langridges give Forest Row EG as there POB
Andrea - I also use a naming theory to try to establish children and parents. On BMD there is a James born Mar 1848 Croydon which fits James son of George on the 1851 census
1851 England Census
Middle Heath Lane, Croydon, Surrey
Croydon, Surrey
Eliza Langridge 23 ( 1828 )
George Langridge 28 Builders Labourer ( 1823 )
George Langridge 8 Months
James Langridge 3
I viewed the image as there was a star beside it and although the image is very unclear this James had a middle name of I believe Samuel - could be wishful thinking on my part :P
Sandie X
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Have you seen the 1841 entry for Samuel and family? HO107/1078/10 F56 p14 Croydon
Samuel 45 carpenter
Fanny 45
Tilly? 20
Henry 20
George 15
Samuel 15
Lucy 10
Charles 7
Anne Histed 3 all b county which is Surrey
Annoyingly I cannot read the occupation for George.
Andrea
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Hi Andrea
Yes seen that on the 1841 - I transcribed Georges occupation as Labr ( Labourer ) and Tillie looks like Fillie to me so could be short for Philadelphia
Sandie X
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I wonder where Mary Ann is in 1851? Seems odd that a six year old is not with relatives of some sort. Have you found her?
Andrea
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Is Tillie/Fillie likely to be Lillie, as I see that George has a daughter of that name?
Phil
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Andrea - Can't find Mary on 1851, she could be Eliza's daughter and have her name whatever it is ::)
Phil - Looking at the writing of the other names on the same page I am leaning more towards Fillie than Lillie ;)
Sandie X
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You're right Sandie, I've just found her.
East Grinstead Baptism Register
Entry No. 436
6th April 1817
Phillis, daughter of Fanny Histed
Base Born
Abode; Forest Row
The Histed family were the village butchers
Phil
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Hi Borg Queen.
Can't help with the George in question, but along with a ditant relative of mine, we have quite a few Langridges in our trees. They all hail from Edward Langridge c1500, East Grinstead, Sussex. His site may be of use to you & a few others who are researching Sussex names;
http://www.arach.net.au/~kenhome/Report%20088,%20InternetTree/wc_idx/idx001.htm#LANGRIDGE
The above link is the Langridge names list, for the home page it's;
http://www.arach.net.au/~kenhome
Best of luck with the research!
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Phil - two heads are definately better than one well done and thanks for that.
Doorwoman - thanks for the link to Kens web page sorry to say my research is way beyond this.
Sandie X
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From checking Eliza Bailey and Eliza Tilley against the other possible grooms in 1851, I think George married Eliza Bailey. There is an Eliza Voller in 1851 aged 29 born Streatham, which ties in with an Eliza Tilley baptised at Streatham in 1821.
You can get a marriage certificate with only one name and the folio number. This will confirm George's father's name.
Possibly Eliza Bailey baptised 11 Sep 1825 at Croydon, parents George and Sarah. Siblings George, Rosetta, Joseph and William. Only put these in to check naming patterns that was mentioned by Sandie.
The James born Croydon Mar qtr 1848 definitely has the second name Samuel. The FreeBMD image is not very clear, but the Ancestry one is very clear.
Ian C
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The marriage to Eliza Bailey or Tilley is only a guess as far as I can see, based on FreeBMD information at about the right time. Has the full index been checked? There are other George Langridge marriages a bit earlier and some are to an Eliza so I would be happier to get a child's birth certificate to confirm her maiden name before speculating too much though it all sounds very convincing! I have been caught on that one in the past so am very wary now.
Andrea
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Ian - thanks for checking James Samuel on Ancestry, never crossed my mind to double check on there, will do in future - lesson learned ;)
I am also leaning towards Bailey and not Tiley but have no source to back it up
Sandie X
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Andrea - I haven't got round to any certificates for this family yet but yes I agree that is the way to go so will get on to that. As for the full index checking that hasn't been done by me either. I have also been caught out in the past too
Sandie X
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Phil
Just to tie up Phillis Histed, she kept her name and went on to marry GEORGE ANDERSON 03 Sep 1843 Saint John The Baptist, Croydon, Surrey
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M098651 1832 - 1846 0395082 Film NONE
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Sandie X
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There are a couple of Fanny/Frances HISTEDs that could fit.
1. born 24 May 1797, bapt 13 Apr 1798, East Grinstead, parents James/Eliz
2. bapt 26 Oct 1803, East Grinstead, parents Henry /Mary
Think it may be the later as Fanny had sisters Philly and Lucy
Children of Samuel and Fanny from IGI, which match in with 1841 census except there was no William.
Henry bapt 9 Apr 1820 East Grinstead
George bapt 28 Apr 1822 East Grinstead
Samuel bapt 22 Aug 1824 East Grinstead
William bapt 21 May 1830 East Grinstead
Lucy bapt 14 Oct 1832 St James Croydon
James bapt 3 Jan 1837 St John the Baptist Croydon
Samuel who married Fanny was born in Croydon, according to 1851 census
Ian C
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Hi Ian
I agree with the children of Samuel and Fanny although I didn't have James. William could have died before 1841.
I have just been looking on IGI to find out which Fanny Histed I have.
1861 and 1871 have Fanny / Frances born East Gristead, I can't find them on the 1851 ???
Sandie X
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Please ignore last posting
Sandie X
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1851 - HO107/1601 F494 P36
Selhurst Road, Croydon
Samuel Langridge, head mar 61, Carpenter, born Surrey, Croydon
Frances Langridge, wife mar 56, born Surrey, Croydon
Lucy Langridge, dau unm 19, Laundress, born Surrey, Croydon
At same address in 61 and 71
Ian C
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Thanx Ian
I did find it must have overlooked it the other day
Sandie X
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Hi
On a lighter note can anyone tell me what family this Goerge came from.... George Langridge married Clementine Campbell aka Cleo Laine Sept Quarter 1946 they divorced c1957 and had one child named Stuart ........ I will get the certificate in time, just wondered if anyone has any ideas off hand. I have the relevant reference number for the certificate.
Sandie X
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Hi Sandie x,
I have a Kitty Langeridge, 6 or 4 years old, living with Edward and Hannah Cox in Brighthelmstone in 1851 census. Then there is a Hannah Langeridge, 14 or 16 years and recorded as grand-daughter living with Edward and Hannah Cox in the 1861 census. Thought maybe this info could be of some help.
Del