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Hi I am a New member
Look up for Thomas Smith.
Married Bathsheba Green.1841 St Marys Birkenhead.
Need names D.O.B. of any siblings
possible 1851/61. Census address,Church ST,Birkenhead
Thanks Alan
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Hi
Welcome to Rootschat
Can you tell us any names, and other census details you have.
I am sure we can help with census lookups
regards
peterbennett
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Hi again
Just had a look at your other posts and I think its the children of Thomas your looking for not his brothers and sisters ?
please correct me if I am wrong.
Here are details from the 1871 census which is a start.
peterbennett
Source information: RG10/3744
Registration district: Birkenhead
Sub-registration district: Birkenhead
Folio: 5
Page: 9
Name Age in 1871 Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County
Thomas Smith 63 Rothwell, Yorkshire, England Head Birkenhead Cheshire
Bathsheba Smith 53 Wigan, Lancashire, England Wife Birkenhead Cheshire
Albert/Alfred ? James Smith 23 Birkenhead Son Birkenhead Cheshire
Edward Payson Smith 19 Birkenhead Son Birkenhead Cheshire
Margaret Foster 16 Birkenhead Servant Birkenhead Cheshire
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Hi
Here is the same family in 1861, if you have any problems reading the scan please get back to me.
regards
peterbennett
1861 RG9-2639-Folio 9 23 Priory Street Birkenhead
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Hi Peter.
Marvelous info I cannot thank you enough.
Your good self and Ticker off the Lancs sight,
have given me, in a couple of days,loads of info.
going to sit down now, digest what I have been given,
then contact the gang in Liverpool, and pass on the new details
ps. It was the children I was interested in.
Once again thank you.
Scouse
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dont know if you are still looking for this or not?
living in birkenhead cheshire in 1851-
thomas smith 38yrs estate agent born yorkshire
bathshaba 33yrs wife born lancashire
amelia 8yrs daughter born birkenmhead
frederick 6yrs son born birkenhead
alfred.j 3yrs son born birkenhead
william.h 1yr son born birkenhead
mary jemison 14yrs female servant born lancashire
SOURCE INFO-H0107-2175
FOLIO-369
PAGE-32
regards
alli
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Hi
Yes I do have that info, moved on a bit since then, I apologise for not marking post as complete.
Kind Regards Scouse. :-[
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Hello , I am directly linked to Bathsheba Smith in my family tree and would like to make contact with anyone else who may be !
Please let me know,
Kind regards
Jane
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Hi Janer.
Re, Bathsheba, I did originally research her and her link to the Smith's of Birkenhead, but it was in the mistaken belief that our family from Liverpool was in someway related to Frederick Smith, Lord Birkenhead.
Even now my elder Bro some 85yrs old still insists there is a connection somewhere along the line, maybe through marriage of one of his children ? don't know, can't find any, the only link to that side of the water is my GGGrandad who married a girl from Neston, and lived in Higher Bebington, Cheshire.
Sorry I can't be of any more help to you, good luck in your research.
Kind regards Scouse.
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Dear Scouse,
Sorry to learn there is no connection. F E Smith [ Lord Birkenhead ] was was GG Uncle , his Father Fred was my GGG Grandfather.
Keep searching , they may be a connection somewhere
Jane
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Dear Jane
I too am related to FE Smith though not so closely as you. His maternal grandfather, Edwin Taylor (b 1811 in Manchester) was a brother of Charles Taylor (b 1818 in Manchester) and Charles is my g-g-grandfather. I think that makes me a second cousin twice removed of FE. My family has known about the connection for about 100 years.
I'm interested enough in FE to have purchased both parts of "Birkenhead by his Son" (FWF Smith). Having read there that Bathsheba possibly had Gypsy ancestry I've been trying pretty unsuccessfully to trace her roots. IGI says that her parents were James Green and Elizabeth and that she was christened in Millgate, Wigan – but that's about it. In his later book, "F.E.: the life of F.E. Smith, First Earl of Birkenhead" FWF Smith refutes the Gypsy connection and says he had taken too much notice of his elder sister, Eleanor, with her obsession with Gypsy culture and her over-active imagination.
I'm sure you already know that, at the time of the 1841 census, Thomas Smith was a teacher living in George Street, Birkenhead and Bathsheba Green was a school mistress living about half a mile away in Brook Street. Both roads still exist except that Brook Street used to cross Watson Street and continue along what is now Wood Close and Brook Street East. Judging by the fact that the 1841 enumerator had probably only just turned into Brook Street from Watson Street when he reached Bathsheba's residence, Thomas and Bathsheba may have lived only a couple of hundred yards apart – and they very likely taught at the same school.
You're probably also aware of the connection of the the Smith family with the Berry's, one-time owner's of the Daily Telegraph. That too interests me and I have a contact at the paper who remembers working under the Berry's.
I would be interested in sharing with you any further information you have about the family.
Robert Cutts, bob@winton.me.uk.
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Hi,
I've always been told that there is some sort of tenuous link between the Birkenhead Smith's and the Smiths on my Mum's side of the family who lived in the West Ham area of London/Essex.
I was therefore wondering if any of you had a family tree of the Smith family and their ancestors/descendants.
Thanks
Simon
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Hi Simon.
Unfortunately i've been unable to find a connection between my Smith's and F E Smith's family.
My only advice is to contact some of the other subscribers to my post, such as Janer, or Carneisten, believe me they will be only to happy to help.
Sorry I had all the info on F E Smith's family from 1806 onwards but deleated it all.
KInd regards Scouse
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Hi I am a New member
Look up for Thomas Smith.
Married Bathsheba Green.1841 St Marys Birkenhead.
Need names D.O.B. of any siblings
possible 1851/61. Census address,Church ST,Birkenhead
Thanks Alan
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I am a new member and just noticed info on F E Smith, Lord Birkenhead. My father-in law, Alfred Smith Baker from Liverpool thought he was related to him in some way. We know of a Hannah Smith, born 1853 in Liverpool. She had two brothers, John Smith and William Smith. We wondered if descendants of these two could have a connection to F E Smith. A few of his relatives were given the name Smith as a middle name. His father was named William Smith Baker. Like you we cannot find proof but always feel there must be some truth in the story.
Perhaps my husband shares relatives with you also. I wonder if the name Hannah Smith rings a bell at all
Thanks
Wirralite
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I have a fairly comprehensive tree of the family of FE Smith and could email it as a GEDCOM to anybody whose interested. Please contact me via the personal message system
Robert Cutts