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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Devon => England => Devon Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Fingal on Sunday 25 February 07 11:31 GMT (UK)
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Hi Listers....
Will SKS please check the census for the Giles family...
The address in 1864 is given as 15 Cornwall Street, Plymouth...
Sarah Jane Giles daughter of John Giles a Brewer....
Thank you for taking the time to read this...
Sincerely Fingal
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Hi Fingal
Have you any further info on the family? Is your info from a marriage cert - how old is Sarah and who were the witnesses?
There is an army family in the area in 1851, but none in 1861 that can be tied in to the details you give.
kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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Hi Arranboots
Alexander John Corbett married Sarah Jane Giles 1864 at St. Andrew's Plymouth.....
Alexander and Sarah were 20 years old at the time...
The witness's Georgina Pitts surname is hard to read and Henry Walton the first name is hard to read...
Alexander a Bandsman 75th regt gives his residence as Parish of Farnborough Hants his father Sargeant Major Thomas Corbett
Sarah 15 Cornwall street... I assume that address to be in Plymouth
Thank you for your help
Sincerely Fingal
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This is a possible - bear in mind that Sarah might not have been at her parents' home the night before the marriage.
1871 census
John GILES H M 52 - beerhouse keeper & naval pensioner - Devon Kingsand?
Ann W M 39 - Alson? Cornwall
Margaret dau U 19 - assistant - Devonport
Address: Nelson's Victory, King Street, Plymouth St Andrew, Devon
You could try www.historicaldirectories.org to look for inn and beerhouse keepers in Plymouth around that time
A ;)
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I am not sure how well this accords with what I posted above, but the daughter Margaret is consistent:
1851 census HO107/1658/492/48
Sarah GILES Mar 31 - soldier's wife - Fermanagh
Sarah Jane U 7 - soldier's dau - Devon Devonport
Ann U 5 - do - Lancaster Manchester
William U 3 soldier's son - Hants Sandhurst
Margaret U 1 soldier's dau - Hants Gosport
Address: Portsea District Anglesey Barracks, Portsea, Hampshire
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Births Sep 1843
Giles Sarah Jane E Stonehouse 9 337
1861 census RG9 1443 folio 90
13 Courteney Street St Andrew Devon
Sarah J Giles 16 Stonehouse, Devon, House Servant
Regards
Valda
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I think this hangs together, but you will need more documents to prove anything - especially a birth cert for Sarah Jane
1861 census RG9/1448/69/40
William GILES H Widr 70 - gardener - Cornwall Liskeard
Rebecca dau W 34 - dress maker - Devon Kingsand
Elizabeth dau U 32 - milliner - do
Epertus? son Widr 30 - seaman - Cornwall Millbrook
Henry son U 23 - blacksmith - do
John son 13 - scholar - Devon Devonport
Margaret dau 9 - do - do
Bessy granddaughter 8 - scholar - do Plymouth
Bessy B granddaughter 7 - do - do Devonport
John grandson 2 - do
John son Widr 38 - R.N. - do Kingsand
Address: no 9, Market St, Stoke Damerel, Devon
A ;)
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Checking back to the 1851 census there were two Sarah J Giles born close together
Sarah J Giles 8 East Stonehouse, Devon
Sarah Jane Giles 7 Devonport, Devon
But only one birth registration which is more likely for the elder, the daughter of William and Ann. As they are both military births, the other registration might be in the army GRO index.
Regards
Valda
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The 1851 census is an army family. The 1861 and 1871 is a Royal Navy man?
Regards
Valda
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Yes, that worried me too Valda - can you be a marine & hence both?
Time to ask on Armed Forces maybe!
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Arranroots I'm afraid, a marine is a marine, the royal navy is the navy and the army is something else again. They historically don't mix.
I suspect the 1851 census army family might not have been in the country in 1861 as there are a couple of possibilities for William and Margaret on the 1871 census - both servants in Hampshire, but I can't see anything for them in 1861.
A possible for Margaret's birth
Births Jun 1849
Giles Margaret Alverstoke 7 28
Regards
Valda
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Thanks Valda - just wondered if they were barracked (?) together and hence confusion. Not an area I know anything about!
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there's a registration in the GRO Regimental Birth Indices for Sarah J Giles in 1844 Devonport vol 1039 pg 2, 95th Regiment
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likewise for Ann 1846 Manchester vol 1039 pg 2, 95th Reg and William 1848 Blackwater vol 1039 pg 2, 95th Reg. No sign of Margaret and no other births under name Giles and 95th Reg.
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Hi Listers...
Thank you one and all most sincerely for your "excellent" response......
Correct me if I am wrong....
Sarah Jane 8 is the daughter of William and Anne.... as we know our Sarah Jane is the daughter of John Giles this one is unlikely ?
Sarah Jane 7 of Devonport seems to be the one of interest age 7 when census was taken.. age 8 after the census would give a birth year of 1844 which is what I am looking for....
Sarah Jane Giles Davenport Vol.1039 Page.2 95 regt would seem to be the one I need.....
I would appreciate your opinion on this..... all this is new to me...
Many thanks for your kindness in helping me....
Sincerely Fingal
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Since the father is unknown from the census, unless there is a regimental marriage in the army registers for a Giles in the 95th, the only way to find out whether this Sarah had a father called John is to access her or a known siblings' birth certificate.
This website has the 95th Regiment 1st battalion timeline. It confirms the 95th were not in England at the time of the 1861 census.
http://regiments.org/deploy/uk/reg-inf/095.htm
Regards
Valda
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Hi Valda
Thank you very much for the interest you have taken....
Sarah Jane who married Alexander John Corbett Bandsman 75th regt in 1864
Her father it is stated to be John Giles a Brewer...
Hope this helps
Sincerely Fingal
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Hi Fingal
Don't worry, we haven't forgotten - it is a process of elimination & if we can tie one of these Sarah's to a father called William, we will know she is not yours (unless he uses two names, but we won't got there yet!)
:D
I wasn't able to do anything useful with the witnesses to the marriage of Sarah Jane.
Just throwing these into the mix, in case we need a marriage for John between 1861 and 1871...
Marriage
Dec q 1862
Ann BUCKLER
John GILES
Elizabeth GLABHAM
Thomas JUSTICE
East Stonehouse 5b 527
(Can't find Ann BUCKLER before this though)
A ;)
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Hi
Im doing my Giles roots too and have just come back from Cornwall. Ive been reading your notes, and saw the question regarding the Royal forces.
In the UK our Royal Marines are part of the Royal Navy, not the Army.
Shall we compare notes??