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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: kargil on Saturday 24 February 07 22:24 GMT (UK)
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Hi
I am looking for information on family - Storie - born in Law Village, Lanarkshire.
I have an Isabella Storie - b.1913 in Law Village. Her father was John Storie born in the Edinburgh area. Her mother was Agnes Malcolm. Isabella had ten siblings! No names - sorry! This is the first time my 'tree' has taken me into Scottish Genealogy - so I am at a bit of a loss of where to start!!!!
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Hi Kargil
Welcome to Scottish Rootschat ;)
A good place for you to start would be with the marriage cert. of Isabella's parents. Scottish certs are a minefield of info. From this you will get their ages, occupations, parents' names including mother's maiden names (also whether they were alive/deceased) etc.
From the official pay to view site Scotlands People, where you can access on line their marriage cert, this looks like their entry:
1894 STORIE JOHN MALCOLM AGNES MITCHELL DALZIEL /LANARK 639/00 0144
Can I suggest you have a look at these three links on RootsChat which will explain what is available for you to research the family and how to go about it:
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,24468.0.html
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,43916.0.html
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,193879.0.html
Regards.
Monica :)
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Monica
thanks a lot for the info - My brother in law is over from America and here in this room! He is grateful for the info which is the start of his line of our tree!!! Now - his parents phoned him and thought Agnes's name was Malcolm???? I will get them to double check!!!???? Wow - will certainly get into the sites a.s.a.p. - although I told him that my Rootschaters would find info before he went home!!!! LOL!!!!
Thanks again!
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Kargill..and B-I-L!
Agnes's surname is showing as Malcolm on the index. Mitchell would be her second name (Agnes Mitchell Malcolm). Quite common to use family surnames as middle names for children.
Regards.
Monica
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There is one birth entry coming up on SP:
1875 MALCOLM AGNES MITCHELL F HAMILTON /LANARK 647/00 0010
Could well be your Agnes's, the only one coming up with Mitchell as a middle name. Be aware though that sometimes although middle names were used, the birth may not have been registered to include it. Hopefully you can verify it with parents' names from Agnes's marriage cert.
Regards.
Monica
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Gee whiz!! He is going back to Chicago full of praise for Rootchatters!!!! We had tried all night for a lead - Scottish genealogy is a bit harder to suss out??? He had loads of names but I couldn't get a 'starter for ten'!!!! Have now registered for Scotlands People??? and hopefully will get a start from your great info!!!!
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.....hate to break the news ::)
This Agnes's birth, actually born end of Dec. 1874 but registered early 1875, looks to probably have been illegitimate going by the birth details showing on IGI:
AGNES MITCHELL MALCOLM Birth: 11 DEC 1874 Hamilton, Lanark, Scotland
Parents: Mother: JANE MALCOLM
No father's name showing on the birth registration in would appear. I would certainly start with the marriage cert. for verifaction of details.
Regards.
Monica
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LOL!!!! That's taken the smile off of his face!!!! More so when he tells his ever so ever so mother!!!!!!
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I'd hold off until we verify....pleeease!
I've had a look at the marriage in 1894. Agnes is showing as much older, 34. There is no father's name showing on the cert though.... Mother Janet (Jane) looks to have married a Joseph Davidson according to the entry. There's something written after mother Jane's name which is hard to make out: xxxx daughter?
There is this marriage showing for a Jane Malcolm to a Joseph Davidson which could fit:
1881 DAVIDSON JOSEPH MALCOLM JANE DALZIEL /LANARK 639/00 0048
Regards.
Monica
In Scotland, some first names are interchangeable - Janet/Jane/Jean/Jessie for example. Have a look at this link www.whatsinaname.net/
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From the details on his marriage cert., this looks like John Storie's birth entry on IGI:
JOHN STORIE Birth: 06 SEP 1859 Prestonkirk, East Lothian, Scotland
Parents: Father: JOHN STORIE Mother: MARION SCOTT
Siblings showing for him on IGI:
1. ELISABETH STORIE Birth: 01 APR 1864 Prestonkirk, East Lothian, Scotland
2. WILLIAM STORIE Birth: 26 NOV 1871 Haddington, East Lothian, Scotland
3. MARION STORIE Birth: 15 MAR 1866 Prestonkirk, East Lothian, Scotland
Marriage: 09 JUL 1886 Haddington, East Lothian, Scotland/ Death: 20 JAN 1950
4. ELIZABETH STORIE Birth: 25 FEB 1870 Haddington, East Lothian, Scotland
5. MARGARET STORIE Birth: 16 DEC 1860 Prestonkirk, East Lothian, Scotland
6. Archibald Storie Birth: 07 SEP 1875 Haddington, East Lothian, Scotland/ Death: 18 DEC 1951
7. Jane Storie Birth: 09 AUG 1877 Haddington, East Lothian, Scotland
8. RICHARD STORIE Birth: 24 NOV 1867 Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
Family line has been researched before, with submitted entries for the post 1875 births and included are some marriage/death details.
Also, submitted details for John's father and marriage details for parents:
John Storie Death: 26 FEB 1915 Haddington, East Lothian, Scotland
Parents: Father: John Storie Mother: Elizabeth Galbraith
Marriages: Spouse: Marion Scott Marriage: 03 DEC 1858 Prestonkirk, East Lothian, Scotland
Regards.
Monica
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Oh Wow!
I am still trying to make out the marriage cert from Scotlands people - not very clear?? You are way ahead..................Gosh his line is filling up so quickly!!! I am on the 1901 census now and there seems to be a big difference in ages??/ as you said.............it kinda looks as if John is 49? but Agnes only 36?? John is now a coal miner which ties in with what his family have him down as????
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The index for the 1901 is showing John as 42 which would fit his 1859 birth year. Agnes at 36 would make her birth year c. 1864/5. What is the place of birth showing for Agnes in the census entry?
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Motherwell, Lanarkshire
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Again, I'm feeling I'm stepping on someone's footsteps. This submitted entry shows on IGI for the Agnes we found earlier born 1874:
Agnes Mitchell Malcolm Birth: 11 DEC 1874 Watsonville, Motherwell, Lanark, Scotland
Death: 27 FEB 1930
Parents: Mother: Jane or Janet Malcolm
This birth place fits the above entry...the 1930 DC would confirm it either way.
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I think we are there ;) I haven't viewed it, but the details fits everything we have just found out about Agnes. Her death entry on SP:
1930 STORIE AGNES MITCHELL DAVIDSON MALCOLM F 55 CARLUKE /LANARK 629/00 0023
The Davidson I would assume came from her mother's marriage. Why Agnes would have shown as older post her marriage is anyone's guess, but she now shows her actual age with a birth year of 1874/5.
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And quite likely John's death entry:
1933 STORIE JOHN 74 CARLUKE /LANARK 629/00 0089
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Yes - it's all tying in nicely! From the info I have - John Storrie marrying Agnes Malcolm - then only one child's details - that is an Isabella Storie b. 1913 in Law village -next to Carluke - she married a John Johnman Arnott - b. 30.9.1909 in Waterloo, Lanark - they had a son - John Storie Arnott b.1936 - then all the family seem to be born in Carluke!!! My Brother in Law is John Arnott. born Carluke!!! (all this extra info is coming from - keeping folks out of beds!!!!!and on the phone!!!) Thank you - again - so much for all your help!!!!!
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My last one for now!
As you may have gathered, on line access to births on SP finish on 1906 (100 yr confidentiality rule). A search in Carluke from 1901-1906 for births brings these up (adding to your family of 10 most likely ::)):
1 1904 STORIE HELEN DAVIDSON CARLUKE /LANARK 629/00 0101
2 1906 STORIE JOHN CARLUKE /LANARK 629/00 0189
3 1901 STORIE MARGARET CARLUKE /LANARK 629/00 0100
4 1902 STORIE MARY PUNTON CARLUKE /LANARK 629/00 0253
At a guess, Isabella b. 1913 must have been their last child (?) or close to. John would have been 53 and Agnes younger at 38. Isabella's birth cert would have to be ordered direct from the GROS via Scotlands People.
I'm off to bed now 8)
Regards.
Monica
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May we say a very good night and a huge thanks to you for all of your help!!!! Thank you so so much Monica!!!! Night Night !
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Yes you are right - Isabella - Youngest child!!! Run out of black coffee - must sleep!!!!!
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Couldn't resist it, my very last one. Keep this one also away from B-I-L's mother....Jane Malcolm, mother of Agnes, married Joseph Davidson as we know in 1881....she was 45 and HE WAS 19 :o :o :o
Night all!
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Hi Kargil
Not sure what it is about the Malcolm women but for some reason they like to appear older than they are ???
Just picking up from last night, trying to get some background on Agnes's mother Jane. Although she showed as 45 in her marriage in 1881, her actual age would appear to have been 35 25, with a birth year of 1856. The 4 on the MC could well be a 2, hard to make out.
This looks like her parents' marriage:
JAMES MALCOLM Marriages: Spouse: AGNES JARVEY
Marriage: MAR 1845 New Monkland, Lanark, Scotland
Children showing for this couple including Jane's details (there looks to have been a first Jane who may have died and second Jane born the following year):
1. JANET MALCOLM Birth: 16 APR 1862 Cambusnethan, Lanark, Scotland
2. MARY MALCOLM Birth: 07 JAN 1866 Cambusnethan, Lanark, Scotland
3. CHRISTINA MALCOLM Birth: 18 APR 1860 Cambusnethan, Lanark, Scotland
4. ROBERT MALCOLM Birth: 03 APR 1864 Cambusnethan, Lanark, Scotland
5. JAMES MALCOLM Birth: 19 JAN 1868 Cambusnethan, Lanark, Scotland
6. SARAH MALCOM Birth: 28 APR 1858 Cambusnethan, Lanark/ Death: 20 JAN 1941 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
7. JANE MALCOLM Birth: 22 FEB 1855 New Monkland, Lanark, Scotland
8. JANE MALCOM Birth: 14 APR 1856 New Monkland, Lanark, Scotland
I'll have a look for the family in the 1861 Census.
Regards.
Monica
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Family's 1861 Census entry:
James Malcolm 41, coal miner, b. Datgetty, Fifeshire
Agnes Malcolm 33, b. New Monkland,
Agnes Malcolm 13
John Malcolm 12
Margaret Malcolm 10
Betsy Malcolm 8
Jane Malcolm 5
Sarah Malcolm 3
William Russell 3
Christina Malcolm 11 Mo
Address: Tarbush Row, Cambusnethan, Lanark
Kargil, if you want to find out a lot more about the family, I would look at the 1855 birth cert for the first Jane. The first year of official reg. in Scotland, the BMDs ran over two pages of the register and included a wealth of additional info on the parents: where they were from, ages, occupation, how many children they'd had (alive/deceased) etc. Certainly one to look at.
Regards.
Monica
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Hi
I have a photo of John Johnman and Isabella Storie's headstone in Cambusnethan Cemetery.
If you would like a copy, please send me a PM with your Email address and I will forward a copy to you.
Janet
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could be the middle name Mitchell is her Father's surname.
Regards
Janet