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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lincolnshire => Topic started by: nutkin on Wednesday 24 November 04 01:14 GMT (UK)
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I am looking for more info on the following family.
Thomas Tyson bapt December 3, 1780 in Spilsby, the son of Thomas Porter and Bridget Tyson. He died November 18, 1820 in Skendleby.
Thomas Porter/Portas was bapt on April 8, 1766 in Belchford, the son of William Portas and Mary ???. Thomas Porter/Portas was married to Bridget Tyson on May 28, 1787 on Willoughby. (only 7 years after their son Thomas Tyson was born. Oops ;D). Thomas was a cordwainer in Mablethorpe. His will was noted June 19, 1812.
Bridget Tyson may have been the daughter of Gilbert Tyson who was bapt February 22, 1738 in Saltfleetby St Clement the son of Arthur Tyson. Gilbert Tyson was a witness of the marriage of Bridget and Thomas Porter.
I have ordered the will of Thomas Portas and Thomas Tyson and waiting patiently. Wondered if there are others looking into the family.- Kristin
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Received copies of the wills of Thomas Portas and Thomas Tyson. Intersting to read. Thomas Portas has a brother William Portas who is mentioned in the document. Thomas Tyson has a sister Ann Tyson who was also the natural child of Thomas Portas.
Wonder if there are any other Portas's and Tyson's out there! ;D
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A friend of mine pointed out this site, and your message(s) in particular.
As far as I know, my Porteous family hails from Yorkshire (Dunnington and Elvington, both near York). In my research, I have come across a variety of spellings including, but not restricted to Portas, Portes, Portus, Portice, Porteus and Portis. In the 1861 census of Ontario, Canada, our name has the latter spelling, providing a clue as to its pronunciation at that time.
I suspect that the Porteous/Portas families in both Lincolnshire and Yorkshire may be related, and am interested in instances of the surname in both jurisdictions.
By the way, my Dunnington-born ggg-grandfather, George Porteus (1789-?), is identified as the son of William Portas (confusing, all of those spellings).
--Doug
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Welcome to the site. Everyone is friendly and willing to help! You are probably correct in the connection between the two groups. I listed what I know so far. Below is a transcription I did of The Will of Thomas Portas (1766-1812) from Mablethorpe, Linc. He had the following siblings : Elizabeth , bapt 1767 Belchford, William, bapt 1780, Sarah bapt 1777, Ann bapt 1771 and John. All born in Belchford to William Portas and Mary?.
Last Will of Thomas Portas, Mablethorpe April 12, 1811.
Executor Thomas Tyson, June 19. 1812
This is the last will and testament of me Thomas Portas of Mablethorpe in the County of Lincoln farmer. First I charge all and every my lands- tenements and Heretitaments situate lying and being in Mablethorpe or elsewhere in the county of Lincoln and also all and singular my personal estate of what nature or kind soever with the payment of my just debts legacies and funeral expenses and one annuity and charged and changeable therewith. I give and devise all and every of my cottage lands tenements and heretaments to my natural son Thomas Tyson of Skendleby in the said county cordwainer for and during the term of the natural life of my dear wife Bridget Portas and from and after her decease I give devise and bequeath all my said cottage lands tenements and hereditaments to and amongst my grandchildren the sons and daughters of my natural son Thomas Tyson and my natural daughter Ann the wife of Andrew Locking and to their heirs and assigns for ever to take or tenants in common and not as joint tenants. Also I give and bequeath unto my said wife Bridget Portas one annuity or yearly sum of ten pounds and eight shillings for and during the term of her natural life to be paid to her by my executor herein after named and it is my will and mind and I do hereby order and direct that the said annuity be paid to my said wife weekly and every week at the rate of ten shillings per week also I give and bequeath unto my said wife Bridget all my household furniture plate and linen for her own use and benefit absolutely forever. Also I give and bequeath unto my natural daughter Ann the wife of Andrew Locking the sum of one hundred pounds to be paid to her by my executor herein named the expiration of six calendar months next after my decease. Also I give and bequeath to my brother John Portas the sum of twenty pounds to be paid to him by my executor hereinafter named at the expiration of six calendar months next after my decease. Also I give and bequeath unto my brother William Portas the sum of twenty pounds to be paid to him by my executor hereinafter named at the expiration of six calendar months next after my decease. And also all the rest and residue of my ready money and securities for money goods chattels stock effects and personal estate of what nature and administers and I do constute and appoint my said son Thomas Tyson full and sole executor of this my last will and testament hereby revoking all former wills by me at any time heretofore made in witness. whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal this twelfth day of April in the year of our lord one thousand eight hundred and eleven.
Signed by Thomas Portas
In the presence of
J. Robinson
John Trolley
William Robinson
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Thanks for taking the trouble to transcribe and post Thomas Portas' will.
I have my Port*s origins wrapped up on this side of the Atlantic (Canada, from the 1840s on), but I have a long way to go with the earlier UK history of my family. There is a Porteous Gathering in Edinburgh in September, 2005, so I'm hoping to make some inroads at that time.
I maintain a personal family history Web site. Feel free to visit it at www.novateq.ca/genealogy/.
--Doug
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I guess you've probably already got this but, from the IGI, there is a record of the marriage of William PORTAS and Mary TYSON at South Willingham, Lincolnshire on December 24, 1801.
Is this yet another link between the same two families mentioned in Nutkin's original posting? Is this William (baptised 1780), brother of Thomas, marrying Bridget's sister?
Hope this may be of help.
Bruce
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Thank you Bruce. I had not seen that marriage. I wonder if they are relations or the family. ;D
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It seems to be in the same general area of Lincolnshire as the places you mention (East Lindsey district).
South Willingham is about twenty miles west of Mablethorpe, and eighteeen miles or so north-west of Skendleby.
Strangely, there is a record of a later Portus family in Ulceby (only a stone's throw from Skendleby) - Robert Portus (1861-1925).
There may be no connection, but from the migration point of view, there appears to be a small cluster of Portas/Portus around here.
Bruce
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Hi Nutkin
I have noticed your entry for Portas, I have just started to research this family. I have the following
William Portass married to Emily Brown nee Pigott
on 8 October 1872 at Launceston, Tasmania. (as per Tasmanian Index)
William was born about 1836 at North Coates Linc.
Parents John Portass and Sarah Moore (as per
death certificate)
William Portass died 10 January 1916
"Brecath" Barraba. NSW. Australia
Buried 11 January 1916
Public Cemetery Inverell. NSW. Aust.
I'm wondering if the Portass from Australia could be connected to your English Portas.
Maxpaw
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Hello all,
My maternal grandmother was a Portas, and I'm stuck around 1790, with the marriage of Thomas Portas or Portus and Francis Tuplin in Keelby.( I think this may have been Frances' second marriage...maybe Frances Swallow).
Since most Portas's (a) couldn't spell their name and (b) insisted on calling their male offspring Thomas or William, I did a spreadsheet of all spellings that I could find in IGI and the various N Lincs deaneries marriage records --about 400, with loose family groupings.
This thread at least takes the 1766 Thomas off my shortlist of possible ancestors - thanks.
Happy to share my data with anyone.
John Sergeant, Sydney, Aus
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I am still stuck on my Portas line. A bit of a road block. My branch ended up marrying into the Hancock Family of Spilsby and then the Nixon family to immigrate to the US in 1907. So I am not sure i can be of much help to either of you.
Funny, you are right be all male off spring seem to be William or Thomas. Not a very inventive family. ;D
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I have just discovered this thread, and am puzzled about Ann, the natural daughter of Thomas PORTAS, wife of Andrew LOCKING. The only Ann, wife of Andrew in my LOCKING One Name Study was indeed illegitimate, but I have her as Ann SANDS, who married Andrew Locking in 1803. Did the Will of Thomas TYSON mention where his sister was living? Also, my Ann died "aged 72" in 1840, which would give her a birthdate of 1768 - a bit early to be the daughter of Thomas!
Any further clues gratefully received.
Cheers,
Liz
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This was all that the will stated. I did not go much further with siblings as I am intersted in the Tyson tie so far. Have not done much on Portas. I have not found a birth of Thomas's sister yet.
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If Thomas Portas was born 1766, then he was only 14 when his son Thomas Tyson was born! This would certainly explain why he and Bridget didn't get married, of course.
Do you have a burial for Thomas Portas? Does it mention his age at death, do you know?
Cheers,
Liz
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His baptism date was 8 Apr 1766, Belchford. son of William and Mary Portas. His will was executed in June 1812 so I would assume he died that month. I have not gotten his burial record. Not sure how to get it. A kind cousin in England helped me at the archives and found the information for me on the family. Traded things I had for his help at the Lincolnshire Archives. (I live accross the pond)
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Thanks very much for this. I'll have to have a root round and see if I can dig up anything further!
Cheers,
Liz
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Hi,
I am interested in this thread since there is a very strong possibility this Thomas PORTAS married to Bridgett TYSON is in my family. I have a William PORTAS married Mary [possibly WRIGHT - 1729 Sixhills, Lincs]. I have been working on my direct line so I haven't at this point, gotten to verify these findings on my collateral line. Right now, most of my information I received from sources' bits and pieces.
Any further information on this Thomas is greatly appreciated since I highly suspect he is the grandson of my 6x great grandfather. I would love to share thoughts and information I have.
"nutkin" the transcript of the will was great help.... this helps make sense of my information.
please contact me off line. Put Thomas PORTAS in the subject so I don't delete it accidentally.
Karen
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I just sent a pm. Email me and I can send my tree from Hannah Tyson and her ancestors.