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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) => Topic started by: Jo Be on Wednesday 21 February 07 20:05 GMT (UK)
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I have 2 problems with my g-g-grandfather Thomas Burtonshaw
Think he was born around 1836/37 as 25 in 1861 census and stays consistent throughout. In 1861 census he gives Ouston Lincs, 1881 he gives Owston Ferry Lincs, 1891 it's Stockport Lancashire and 1901 it's Stockport Cheshire. His father was William Burtonshaw, musical instrument maker. Can't seem to pin down a William and Thomas in 1841 or 51 as father and son.
The other problem is I can't find Thomas and wife Mary in 1871.
By this time they had the following children: Alice Ada; William; Emily; Thomas. Leila was born 1870 in London area and Laura 1872 in Leavesden Herts. Thought they would have been in one of these places but can't find them.
Any ideas very welcome, Thomas is driving me mad!
Jo
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Jo,
I can solve the Stockport bit---it's the same place but in two counties. Bartholomew's 1950s Gazetteer says "Cheshire AND Lancashire".
Similarly Ouston and Owston Ferry are probably the same place. Mr. Bartholomew is not authoritative, but there is only one Owston (either spelling) in Lincs, and that's Owston Ferry. In my experience, census enumerators could be pretty hopeless when it came to "foreign" placenames.
At least that reduces the places to look by half :)
Jon
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Hi Jo
In 1871 I think you will find them at the following reference
St John Westminster RG10/124 Folio 65 Page 73
I have assumed that you have access to the censuses but if you do not and you need the full details posting please let us know
DS
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Hello again Jo
In 1841 I think Thomas is with his Uncle and Aunt, Joseph and Ellen Jarvis, at reference Doncaster HO107/1330/11 Folio 5 Page 5. This shows his birth place as Lincolnshire.
In 1851 he is still with them at reference Doncaster HO107/2348 Folio 262 Page 17. This shows his birth place as Ferry, Lincolnshire.
These tie in with his 1861 entry in Doncaster when he is first shown working in the gas industry.
Neither entry is any help in locating his father but I think that this could very well be your Thomas.
What do you think ?
DS
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Thanks to you both. :)
I think I can knock Stockport on the head, perhaps he thought it sounded a better place to originate from. There is an Owston near Doncaster but think I'll have to go for the Lincs Owston Ferry because of the census entry
I think DS has the the right Thomas in 41 & 51 although the women appear to be different. In 1841 it looks like Mary (maybe Joseph's sister?) and in 1851 Ellen. Can't find the connection between the 2 families yet.
I presume the 1871 census Westminster is in London. I'm using commercial internet site to find the census entries and despite several attempts I cannot find this entry so would be grateful for any info you have
Many thanks
Jo
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Jo
Try searching for them with the surname Burtinshan.
If that does not work I will post the details for you
Lelia Burtinshan 1870 might be the best !
DS
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1871
St John Westminster RG10/124 Folio 65 Page 73
Thomas Burtonshaw Head M 34 Gas Stoker Lincolnshire
Mary do Wife M 31 Yorkshire
Alice A do Daur 10 Scholar Yorkshire
William H do Son 8 Scholar Yorkshire
Emily do Daur 6 Scholar Yorkshire
Thomas do Son 3 Yorkshire
Lelia 11mo Westminster
Address 75 Ponsonby Place, Westminster, London
DS
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I think I can knock Stockport on the head,
Jo
On the 1841 census there are a few Burtonshaws in Stockport who may be connected somehow.
DS
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Thanks DS, have just managed to find the entry, it took 2 attempts and thank you for your copy of the info. I've looked into many Burtonshaws in Cheshire and Yorks/Lincs but think it maybe the Yorkshire side of the country. Loads of Jarves/Jarvis births around the same area in Lincs, must presume Thomas's parents died, will keep at it!
Jo
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Jo
Thomas was also my gg grandfather, and I seem to be on a similar quest to you to trace the family history. Could you get in touch to see if we have information useful to each other.
On the "Stockport" entry - not aware that Thomas ever lived there, not out Thomas anyway, there were other Burtonshaw's around the Macclesfield area involved in hatting, which was also an industry in Stockport, so that Thomas may be connected to that.
There is a story in the family that Arthur Victor, one of Thomas's son's completed the family many many years ago - well that's the story from my father [Donald] (and originally from his father- William Thomas, Arthur's nephew and Thomas's grandson). I would like to get in touch with any descendants of Arthur to see if (a) it was true and (b) if so who has it!! - Would save us all a lot of effort!
Regards
Jeremy Burtonshaw (currently in South Cheshire)
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In the burial records for St George's Church in Doncaster ... there are no Burtonshaws .. but 27 entries do show for the name Birkinshaw .. most down as the trades of Cordwainer & Inholder.
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Hello Jeremy
Sorry to take so long getting back to you. Got stuck with Thomas and left him for other things. Since your message have looked again at my Burtonshaw family to tidy it up.
Arthur Burtonshaw was my great grandfather, his eldest daughter Elizabeth Marjorie (always called Madge) was my grandmother. I have never heard of any family tree done by Arthur or anyone else. Have traced Thomas through his gas industry work, usually through the census returns and the places that his children were born, including a Coroner's report on the death of his son in law in a gas explosion at Bloxham (Oxon).
Will look again at the census return of him with the Jarvis family - cannot trace his parents, have you any ideas?
Jo
Thomas was also my gg grandfather, and I seem to be on a similar quest to you to trace the family history. Could you get in touch to see if we have information useful to each other.
On the "Stockport" entry - not aware that Thomas ever lived there, not out Thomas anyway, there were other Burtonshaw's around the Macclesfield area involved in hatting, which was also an industry in Stockport, so that Thomas may be connected to that.
There is a story in the family that Arthur Victor, one of Thomas's son's completed the family many many years ago - well that's the story from my father [Donald] (and originally from his father- William Thomas, Arthur's nephew and Thomas's grandson). I would like to get in touch with any descendants of Arthur to see if (a) it was true and (b) if so who has it!! - Would save us all a lot of effort!
Regards
Jeremy Burtonshaw (currently in South Cheshire)
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Jo
Thanks for the response - I am interested in any documentation you have which adds interest to the "Burtonshaw" history. the direct email is mydaughtershopstoomuch@hotmail.com .
I have a marriage record for William from FreeReg which also provided a baptism record for Thomas. William is listed as a blacksmith (as are a number of Burtonshaws at that time in Axholme) - family trade perhaps. From that it is possible to place Williams wife as Sarah Till, Further digging shows that her parents were Thomas Till & Elizabeth Shoers (not sure about the surname) Sarah had a sister Mary, Mary married Joseph Jarvis, which brings us to the 1841 census with all 3 living in Doncaster. - took me months to figure that one out.
Don't know why though, but it looks like William is living on his own at that time. I am working on the basis that something happened to Sarah in childbirth in 1835 but can not find any records to substantiate. On the other hand maybe she just didn't want to be with an older bloke!
I am looking for something to document Williams birth, The census suggests it is 1791, but that census seems to have had a lot of rounding to the nearest 5 years, in which case it could be earlier. There is a William b 1787 (in Haxey) who could be a candidate.
At some point I will have to get over to St Martin's in Owston to survey the gravestones and to the Lincolnshire archives.
My father was quite definite with the information on Arthur, so it may be worth pursuing, there is a chance that a family tree is stuck in some ones loft somewhere!
Hope this is of use
Regards Jeremy Burtonshaw
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Slight correction to what I thought, William Burtonshaw (Blacksmith Owston Ferry) was Thomas's Grandfather (I now have a copy of his will), William Snr, lists three Children. Abraham Mason Burtonshaw, Eliza Mason Burtonshaw and William Mason Burtonshaw. The will also lists grandson Thomas by his deceased son William Mason Burtonshaw. Looks like William M married Sarah Till and the child was Thomas, but William died somewhere between 1835 and 1840.
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Jo - you mentioned you had a copy of a coroners report - could you share the details?