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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Monaghan => Topic started by: millymcb on Tuesday 20 February 07 20:49 GMT (UK)
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Hi all
Would anyone be able to help me regarding Ballybay? If someone appears in a Census in England in 1891 and puts their birthplace as Ballybay (abt 1831) is it likely that they mean the town of Ballybay itself or would it be that they are referring to a larger parish or registration district. I'm trying to work out whether to keep my search narrow or widen it out to cover other towns.
Many thanks
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Hi Ballybay is a Townland and civil Parish in Co, Monaghan. Barony Cremorno,
Province Ulster.
Lep.
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Someone putting 'Ballybay' as a birthplace could also be referring to the area, perhaps Ballybay was the nearest town.
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Thanks...I was hoping everyone would say "of course not it can ONLY be the town" but I thought you'd probably say it wasn't. Will have to widen my search I guess.
:) :)
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The civil Parish is always a good place to look.
lep.
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Thanks all..
I'm still looking into this and my latest theory is that my great grandfather's (who was born Ballybay abt 1829/1830) was the son of a soldier with the Royal Artillery who joined 1810 and was abroad until 1828 and then his records say at home until he left in 1834.
Would anyone know if the Royal Artillery may have been stationed nearby at the relevant time???
Many thanks
:)
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Ballybay town is in the parish of Tullycorbet. I was born in Ballybay.
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Hi Peadar - welcome to Rootschat!
Have not looked at this line of the family recently as Ballybay turned into a bit of a dead end and Irish records are a bit of a mystery world. Do you know if parish records/baptism etc might still exist? Would I be asking for Tullycorbett and where might they be kept?
I've got a great book on Ballybay - written by a local historian with lots of info in it - pix of TUllycorbet, schools and church etc and listings of all the burials in a couple of the churchyards.... There are a few McBrides listed but nothing on my chap unfortunately. But if you need any look ups doing let me know.
Milly :)
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Hi Milly, with irish records first thing you must establish is the religion of your ancestor. Clones is a small town in Monaghan and they keep a lot of records but they are not on line. the l.d.s is the best chance they have research centres all over england where you can order the films you want and all you pay is the cost of postage for delivery to their research centres. by coincidence I am going to their centre in Nottingham to view the 1901 Tullycorbet census To morrow night. I will look for Mc Brides and email later in the week if i find anything of interest. peadar
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That would be very kind...all I know is that Henry McBride SAID he was born about 1831 (ish) in Ballybay. His father was James McBride (a shoemaker). His children were reputedly staunch protestant.
Many thanks
Milly :)
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Millymcb - I noticed you mentioned a book written by a local historian about Ballybay. Would you happen to know the name of the book and where I might purchase it? If you could just give me the name of the book, that would be fine. Thank you.
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the book is called, at the ford of the birches. it is a history of ballybay its people and vicinity. the authors are james h and peadar murnane. you will need to contact peadar murnane main st ballybay co monaghan for a copy of this book.
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Thank you so much, Peadar, I really appreciate it.
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By the way, Peadar, excuse me for not getting it sooner, but, is that you, as one of the authors?
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Yes that's the one... excellent book.
I think I probably got mine from e-bay a couple of years ago.
I can't find it at the moment (post decorating chaos!)...what's that about Peadar being one of the authors?
Milly ;D
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Millymcb - I noticed you mentioned a book written by a local historian about Ballybay. Would you happen to know the name of the book and where I might purchase it? If you could just give me the name of the book, that would be fine. Thank you.
Was there something in particular you wanted looking up. When I find the book I could take a look for you.
Milly
;D
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I don't know if Paedar is the co-author or not, but, I noticed the unusual spelling of the co-author's name and the spelling of the person who answered my question and they are the same spelling. I just took a chance and asked. I don't know, yet, if the person is the co-author, or, not. It might just be a coincidence, but, then again, it might be one of the co-authors, and, I might be a good detective. (lol)
Duxbury3
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Oh, that's very nice of you, Millie. Actually there is. My grandmother was from Ballybay. I would have to look at my list, but, her name was Catherine Cavanagh,(B.- September, 1880). Daughter of Bernard Cavanagh and Bridget Kelly. My grandmother emigrated to the USA in 1902 with her sister, Ida Cavanagh. They had about 10 children in their family. I know they lived right down the street from St. Patrick's RC Church, where she was baptized. I believe some of her family are buried in the St. Patrick's churchyard. I'll have to find my paperwork, where I can list all the children's names. Do you think you can find anything on the Cavanagh Family for me? (The spelling of the last name is open for discussion - It was spelled with a "C" on my grandmother's Bptismal Certificate, but, later on was changed to a "K" in New York City). Thanks, Millie, for any help you can give me.
Duxbury3
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sorry duxbury 3 i am not the author just a friend peadar is gaelic for peter.
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Ooohhh, you just burst my bubble. lol Thank you for giving me the name of the book, and, that's good to know "Paedar" is Gaelic for "Peter".
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sorry to have disappointed you duxbury 3 perhaps i can make up for it. these are the kavanahs in st patricks church yard ballybay. mary kavanah died 28/41945, kavanah family 1923-1949 (no further information) rose kavanah died 6/3/1950 husband terence5/2/1962. john kavanahdied 29/2/1988 his wife mary ann6/8/1992. michael kavanah 2/1984 aged 86 wife mary died 3/11/1988 aged 87. by the way my mother is buried in this graveyard. prior to ballybay being used for burials in the early 1930s catholics were buried in ballintra ahout 3 miles outside the town.
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Thank you, Paedar. I know some of my grandmother's family were buried in a family plot and I know their church had been St. Patrick's. but, maybe they are buried in the Ballintra Cemetery, although, the Kavanagh Family for 1923-49 could be them. I plan to write to Paedar Murnane about purchasing the book. I know the priest at St. Patrick's was very nice when I sent him an email inquiring about my Grandmother's Baptismal or Birth Certificate, and, he mailed it right out to me and it contained alot of information about her family. The book soounds like it will be very interesting, too. Thanks, again.
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When I can find the book I will have a look and see what else may be there...I think there may have been a chapter about people emigrating to America in there which was quite an interesting read.
Milly
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Thank you, Milly. That would be fine. If you find the book, could you please see if there is anything for Bernard and Bridget (Kelly) Cavanagh. I believe, at one point, they were living down the street from St. Patrick's RC Church, so, I'm not quite sure what Bernard did for a living with 10 or 11 children to support, living in the town. Thanks, again, Milly.
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Peadar are you the person that sent a letter to my grandfather, Bernard, in Belfast??? :)
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Hi millymcb
You say you have a great book on Ballybay.. could you tell me the same as Im desperate for one for my daddy ..
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Hi beanie
The book is called
At the Ford of the Birches: A History of the Town of Ballybay, Its People and Vicinity by James H Murnane and Peadar Murnane.
It is hardback - about 1" thick...lots of information on the history of the area and some info on churches, burials etc. Some photos and maps too. A good book.
http://openlibrary.org/books/OL122768M/At_the_ford_of_the_birches
Unfortunately it is really hard to get hold of. It is out of print. No copies at Amazon. The only one I have seen recently is on a second hand website for £75.
However, a while ago, someone mentioned that you might be able to find a copy if you wrote directly to the author in ballybay....
the book is called, at the ford of the birches. it is a history of ballybay its people and vicinity. the authors are james h and peadar murnane. you will need to contact peadar murnane main st ballybay co monaghan for a copy of this book.
Regards
Milly