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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Aberdeenshire => Scotland => Aberdeenshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: connor on Monday 19 February 07 20:45 GMT (UK)
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I have the marriage
William Irvine marrying Barbara Richesdon,
they married 29/4/1766,new deer.
we have a rough birth date for him 1740.and for her 1745.
he died 1805 and she died 14/2/1812.
where can i view ther death certificates?
will it say whom parents are theres?
how can i find correct dobs?
I think i have hit a brick wall.
help
amanda ;D :o :'(
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Amanda,
I'm afraid there is no such thing as a death certificate before civil registration began in Scotland in 1855. Prior to this, the best you can hope for as far as the parish register is concerned is a burial record for them. However, it is unlikely to say who the parents were :( Having looked at the General Register Office for Scotland's list of old parish registers and the included dates, New Deer parish only seems to have the burials 1690-1700 and 1784-91 recorded. The images are not online at ScotlandsPeople, nor are they indexed.
The only other alternative is to look at the Kirk Sessions records and see if there is any record of the mort cloth rent for either of the burials.
As far as dates of birth are concerned, have you looked for their baptisms on ScotlandsPeople? The exact dates of birth may not be recorded. :(
Nell
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Hi
Have you got the information off their gravestone in New Deer Cemetery?
It's listed at www.abdnet.co.uk/mi-index. Click on Kirkyard Index and then New Deer. You can order the MI booklet with the full inscription at www.anesfhs.org.uk for £2.25.
Cheers
Gary
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Hi
I was passing through New Deer today and had a look in the old graveyard but couldn't find your stone. I suspect that it may be one of the ground level, horizontal type which are mostly very worn and moss covered, and consequently very hard to read.
Your best bet is the ANEFHS booklet I mentioned above. Their transcribers are meticulous and very skilled at reading the most illegible of inscriptions!
Cheers
Gary
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Hi Amanda
New Deer stone 154 states
To the memory of William Irvine who lived in Barrack d.22 Nov 1805 aged 64, of his children Jean & George Irvine d. in infancy. Barbara Ritcheston his spouse d. 14 Feb 1812 aged 81. Their son William Irvine d. Drum 4 Sept 1812 aged 40. also John Irven who lived in Barras d 27 Jan 1817 aged 49. William Irven his son d. 8 July 1812 aged 3
Hope this helps
Bill
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many thanks for all the info on the descendants , does nayone know how to find williams parenst and wether there is a link to the irvines of drum who helped robert the bruce???
Amanda
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Were do I find the Kirk Sessions?
I have trie looking on the Scotlands people web site for both barbara and William but can only find there wedding, and there children.
I have joined the aberdeen society but with post strike will wait to hear.
Is the New Deer parish records on line any were?
Any help welcome
Amanda
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Amanda
I know this is a bit late. The burial records for New Deer are indexed and are available at the ANESFHS Library in Aberdeen.
According to the New Deer grave digger records
William Irven was buried 16 December 1805 "under Petter Wisselie's lairston"
Barbara Richeston was buried 17 February 1812 "laid at the north side of Willm: Irvens lairston"
Both are buried in Lair 1001 - there may be others but that could only be checked at the Maud offices where the originals are kept.
Their son William was buried 7 Sept 1812 "laid at the south side of Willm: Irvens lairston" - this is lair 1002
Son John buried 30 Jan 1817 "laid under Willm: Irven's lairston"
The childrenn Jean and George are not in the grave digger records, but this is not unusual for infants. William (8 July 1812) is also not listed.
Richard
Unfortunately, Petter Wisselie must have been buried in one of the gaps in the records, so I can't help you with him.
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Hi All,
I came across this site while surfing the net.
Are you still looking for information?
My grandfather on my mother’s side was the last William Irvine of Mains of Drum. His father also William Irvine died while my grandfather was serving with the forces in WW2. His mother Helen Smith was forced to sell the farm due to the recession. My Grandfather is still alive and turns 90 this year. I have got quite a lot of family history from him and can ask him more questions when I see him in June.
Regards
Andrew
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Yes I am trying to piece the rest of the tree together.
I am stuck with Barbara Richesdon (1745-1812) who married William Irvine who was born 1740-1805,
They were both in New Deer.
I cannot find any more info on there parents.
many Thanks
Amanda
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im a bit new to this and apologies as I realise this is a very old thread so perhaps obsolete. Im from Elgin, Moray, have moved to Perth WA and my mother in law is very into geneology. Her great great grandfather was William Irvine from Mains of Drum. When I went to New Deer today, I found 2 headstones, one refering to a William Irvine who died 1854 aged 48, wife Margaret Murrison died 1887 aged 79.
however the neighbouring stone has a William Irvine, did 1896 aged 66, wife Agness Hay Mitchell died 1926 aged 79.
were there 2 families living at mains of drum or were these cousins in some way? I didn't get to do much looking around but might go back to search for other Irvines!
also her great grandfather who emigrated was William Irvine Bruce. Any idea where the Bruce might have come from?
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Hello & welcome to rootschat. It appears that the William Irvine who died in 1898 was a son of William & Margaret (nee Murison) Irvine, and therefore a brother of John.
I wonder if William Irvine Bruce was illegitimate and that Bruce was his mother's surname. It was very common for children to have their father's surname as a middle name.
Regards,
flst
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Flst and Tracy
I can fill you in on a little about William Irvine Bruce bc 1871 who emigrated to Australia in 1889.
Can I assume this is the man that Tracy is referring to?
"also her great grandfather who emigrated was William Irvine Bruce. Any idea where the Bruce might have come from?"
He does not exactly form part of my family tree but, he is related by marriage and he does form part of the wider story.
I think he may have been illegitimate, possibly born to Margaret Irvine, a daughter of John Irvine and Margaret Rankin of New Deer.
At 1881, aged 10yrs, he is living in New Deer with a family called Smith.
His grandmother Margaret Irvine Ms Rankin is also in the household
The head of house, William Smith was the brother of my husbands gg grandfather, and was married to Mary Chivas Irvine ( also dau of John Irvine and Margaret Rankin).
Mary C Smith Ms Irvine died in 1888, and her husband William Smith emigrated to Australia shortly afterwards.
William Irvine Bruce went to Australia with William Smith ( his uncle by marriage)
In 1890, William Smith's father ( my husbands ggg grandfather, aged 71yrs) arrived in OZ, together with the children born to the Smith/Irvine marriage, his unmarried daughter and another of his own grandsons
William Smith and his wider family remained in Victoria
William Irvine Bruce and the younger nephew of William Smith (who arrived with his grandfather in 1890) both seem to have made their way to WA.
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Absolutely fantastic! Going for a look around new deer and new pitsligo on Monday so now I know I'm on the right track!
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I think so Tracy but, how does William Irvine Bruce relate to the Irvine family on your post.
Neither his father or grandfather was called William Irvine?
I understand his mother was Margaret Gordon Irvine, daughter of John Irvine and Margaret Rankin
Edit:
Your opening post states that William Irvine Bruce was the great grandfather of your mother in law.
He was born out of wedlock on 12 Mar 1871 with no father's name provided and no RCE to add a father?
His birth name was William Irvine.
Here he is at the home of his mother's aunt,.
53 Huntly St, Old Machar, the same address as his birth
Janes Ranken 64
Margaret Irvine 28 (Daughter of John Irvine and Margaret Rankin)
****William Irvine 1 Mo (Son of Margaret Irvine)
William Hogg 22
Mary Duncan 67
1881 in New Deer
Name Age
William Smith 26
Mary Smith 29 (This is Mary C Irvine dau of John Irvine and Margaret Rankin)
Edward Smith 3
William Smith 1
Margaret Irvine 69 This is Margaret Rankin
Ann Irvine 13
****William Bruce 10... This is William Irvine who now uses the name of Bruce
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I'll have to contact my mother in law in australia, I've been to Huntly street as I knew he was born there, do you know what happened to his mother as she isn't in the house with him in 1881. I'm sure she's worked it back to mains of drum but I haven't been able to contact her by email since we arrived so I don't have details. I'd like to be able to back another few generations from john and find the burial sites etc
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I haven't undertaken any real research into the wider Irvine family.
My own research follows the children from the Smith/Irvine marriage.
However, a few years ago I was in contact with someone who was trying to establish where William Irvine Bruce came from and who he went to OZ with
I had been looking at the Smith family, and knew that I was able to join the dots for this tree owner which allowed her to work further back on the Irvine family
Since then, I can see loads of trees where the owner seems to descend from William Irvine Bruce.
His mother was called Margaret Gordon Irvine, she married in London 1888 and died there in 1905
1901 Newington, London
:Abraham Rhodes 69 B Middlesex
Margaret G Rhodes 57 Wife B Scotland.
The 1888 marriage cert does say that father of Margaret Gordon Irvine was a farmer called John Irvine
Edit:
I do not know how much research that your MIL has done on her own and how much, if any, was copied from other people.
I have seen quite a few trees which name a father for William I Bruce, but no one seems to provided any source for this?
No father was named on his birth cert, yet no one has annotated their tree to show that his birth name was William Irvine?
He seems to have been closely connected to John Morrison Smith, the younger nephew of William Smith.
JM Smith was also born out of wedlock but a paternity case was raised and confirmed that his father was a man called Alexander Morrison who had been working in the Banffshire area prior to his birth.
The child's mother died soon after his birth.
I am at a loss to figure out how anyone could positively identify Alexander Morrison from the scant info provided on the RCE attached to the child's birth, yet so many trees have a death date for him?
Where did that come from? Can anyone prove this?
It goes to show that any amount of information, accurate or otherwise can pass from one tree to another yet no one has actually provided any sources
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I have a feeling my MIL is one of those people! I've looked at the tes she's given me and the dates on her family tree and none of them match what are on the headstones as death dates in new deer. One of the head stones that is also written up I the Aberdeenshire and North East scotland family history page has a William Irvine, died 17th feb 1896 and on the stone lists 5 children who all passed, all from Mains of Drum, but I can't find them on her tree. They must be somehow connected but the dates and names just don't match.
Like I say I'm very new to this, she's given me her details to login so need to go through it and find out how (if) the irvines in new deer cemetery link to her family. If they didn't all call their children William or john it would help!
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Just came upon this post which is now dated, but I will ask the question....
I have IRVINE on my gr.mother's side going back to the 17 century in New Deer. Specifically,
Georg IRVINE, b. ca.1655
William IRVINE, b. 1680
Alexander IRVINE, b. 1707
Alexander IRVINE, b. 1735
-all of New Deer, Aberdeenshire. I have other more detailed info regarding spouses and descendants, but was wondering if any of the names/dates might coincide with anyone's research. Another Alexander (#3) emigrated to Quebec, Canada. I have many of his descendant's info, but can't trace much back to previous generations in New Deer (where they might be buried or to other info regarding their past.).
I am in Canada and don't have easy access to many of their records. In particular, their church affiliation that would (might) contain the only records from that period.
Thanking anyone in advance that may be of assistance..
Don Fraser