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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Fermanagh => Topic started by: gimmeatooheys on Sunday 18 February 07 20:56 GMT (UK)
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Hi There,
I have recently started researching the Armstrong family from Enniskillen and Lisnaskea of Co. Fermanagh with some difficulty. I am looking for information on the descendants of Thomas Armstrong (b. 1800 Clogher) who married Isabella Blakeley (date unknown) and who also married Janet Ford.
The first union producing William Armstrong (migrated to Victoria, Australia), Margaret Jane Armstrong (my ancestor, migrated to NSW, Australia), Edward Armstrong, Elizabeth Armstrong and James Armstrong (married Martha Thompson). The second union producing Mary Armstrong (migrated to Queensland, Australia).
William Armstrong married Elizabeth Mosgrove, Margaret Jane Armstrong married Donald Fraser. Elizabeth Armstrong married an Unknown McBrien producing William McBrien and Georgina McBrien. William married a Rebecca Unknown and produced Georgina McBrien. Georgina McBrien Senior never married and travelled and lived in America.
James and Martha Armstrong produced Robert, Martha, Sarah, Elizabeth and 5 other children in the Lisnaskea area. Elizabeth and Sarah travelled to America and married William Estle and James Washing Jevens respectively.
Any help as to other ancestors and dates and places would be very very welcome.
Kelly
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Hi Kelly
I also have ARMSTRONGS in Fermanagh.....mostly born on/near Inishmore Island. I have some marraige/birth/death records that someone IN Ireland sent me. If you tell me who exactly was in Ireland and possible years Ill try to look and see if they are listed.
I do have a Thomas ARMSTRONG who married Isabella LENDRUM (I think it says) in 9/12/1824 but that isnt yours. There is also a GREAT Fermanagh site with tons of "donated information" ( you click on that at top right). The site is..... http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirfer2/Links.htm ...if it gets deleted then email me at: (*). Just remember to put ARMSTRONGS in subject.
Sue
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Hi Sue,
We don't have too many dates. I have Thomas Armstrong Senior born circa 1800 in Clogher. I believe that Janet Ford was also born in the same place and about the same time period.
Thomas & Isabella married about 1825 we believe.
William Armstrong
Margaret Jane Armstrong
Edward Armstrong born Unknown
Elizabeth Armstrong born Unknown
James Armstrong born Unknown
Thomas and Janet Ford married about 1850??
Mary Armstrong born about 1852
Of Thomas and Isabella, William Armstrong married Elizabeth Mosgrove 18 Jan 1853 I do not believe that there were any children born in Ireland. Margaret Jane Armstrong married Donald Fraser in Australia.
Elizabeth Armstrong married Unknown McBrien about Unknown. Produced William McBrien (married Rebecca Unknown but I am not sure when) and Georgina McBrien. She was born about 1889.
Of Thomas and Janet, Mary Armstrong also married in Australia.
James Armstrong (of Thomas and Isabella) and Martha Thompson married Unknown
Children born:
Sarah Armstrong born 1871 (was the youngest child) (married James Washington Jevens in US)
Elizabeth Armstrong born about 1868 (married William Estle in US)
Martha Armstrong born about 1865
Robert Armstrong born unknown
Plus 5 other children.
Thank you for the link to the website, I will have a look there now!!
Kelly
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Hi Armstrong researchers,
I don't know if this is the right family but I am going to list my known info and see if you can help me in any way. My husband's great grandparents were Mathew Thompson Cross b. 27 May 1834 Prickwillow, Ely, Cambs, England and Sarah Jane Morrison b. Enniskillen, Fermanagh, Ireland - Dec 1846. Mathew emigrated to Australia around 1855 from England and worked in the Bendigo Gold Mines. He met Sarah in Australia and they married in Ipswich, QLD 3 Apr 1865. They left for America shortly afterward (a son Mathew was born in Shelby, Macomb County Michigan in 1867 according to the 1870 census). The family tree online lists Sarah's father as Robert Morrison and her mother as Annie Armstrong of Ireland. On the 1880 US census for Michigan I have found a Margaret Armstrong b. 1858 in Ireland listed as sister in law and living next door to Mathew and Sarah. My husband's line goes through Mathew and Sarah's daughter Emma Cross who marries Oscar Joseph Roy. Their child is Florence B. Roy born in Oakland, California and then my husband Lonnie. Any help in figuring this out would be greatly appreciated. Lynn
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Hi,
Your Donald Fraser who married Margaret, would you have any info on Donald's family? I have a Donald Fraser who went to Australia who was my great grandfather's brother. We were both heading off to Australia but Hugh decided to stay in Durban, South Africa but Donald landed in Adelaide and have a photo of him taken there.
Magi
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marriage. JOHN MORRISON TO ANNE ARMSTRONG 13-6-1845. @LISNASKEA COFI. AGHALURCHER,LISNASKEA, FERMANAGH.
REGARDS MARY.
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marriage. JOHN MORRISON TO ANNE ARMSTRONG 13-6-1845. @LISNASKEA COFI. AGHALURCHER,LISNASKEA, FERMANAGH.
REGARDS MARY.
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Hi Magi.
The Donald Fraser that I have was born in Inveraray, Argyll, Scotland in abt 1837 and he died in Sydney, NSW in Dec 1900. He is buried at Waverley Cemetery. He had a number of children born in Rockhampton, QLD and Sydney, NSW. Thomas Humphrey, John Edward, Margaret Ann, Goodlet, Mary Jane, William Robert, Grace E.
His brothers and sisters were Janet Fraser, Peter Campbell Fraser, Robert, Margaret, Mary Ann and Humphrey.
His parents were Humphrey Fraser and Mary Walls.
Thanks
Kelly
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for kelly.
birth. MARY JANE MCBRINE 17-4-1870. CHURCH HILL, FERMANAGH, IRE.
parents. JOHN MCBRINE & ELIZA ARMSTRONG.
regards mary.
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Hi Kelly,
My Hugh was born in Alness, in 1850, know he had a sister Jane and brothers Donald and David but who his parents were are still a mystery!.
Thanks for your reply.
Magi
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For Kelly,
I am a decendant of William Armstrong md Elizabeth Mosgrove and have its lineage through to myself and my cousins born 1970's.
Also have much of the Margaret Armstrong md Donald Fraser to great grand kids through Heybert , Nelson in Brisbane etc
Let me know id I can be of help or swap some info
Greg Armstrong
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Magi
I have much info that might me of help to you too , dates and names etc
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I know the Armstrong surname was numerous in the area, but just on the off-chance, do any of you have a John Armstrong married to a Hannah Matthews, possibly around 1830/40's (They had at least one daughter, Elizabeth Jane born c1843)
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Hi Kelly,
Just scrolling through some pages and I saw your posting, I have an Armstrong connection in my family, he was John Armstrong, born about 1803 in Fermanagh, Ireland, he married a lady named Susan (surname unknown) and they had a number of children, one being Fanny (Frances) born 1828 in Fermanagh, she moved to live in Scotland and married a Thomas McAuley, is there any connection with your Armstrongs?
Regards
Gwyn
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Hi Gwyn,
Do you know who the parents were of your John Armstrong.
Thanks
Kelly
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Hi Kelly
I'm afraid I dont know who his parents were, he married a lady named Susan and they had at least three children, Fanny (born 1828 in Fermanagh) William (born 1826) and Susan (born 1834)
Regards
Gwyn
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Unfortunately a fairly common surname in and around the Fermanagh/Monaghan border area, so not managed to glean anything further on my folks yet.
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Hi
I don't think I have any connection to the Armstrongs listed ...and I know from searching that there were "lots" of them in the areas mentioned.
My Armstrongs lived on Ennishmore/Inishmore Isle. They were in Drummee and Tully. My original William Amstrong was b 1764 in Dumfries Scotland. Went to Fermanagh Co and met Jane Montgomery b 1774 (Inishmore). They married and had 18 children (so I hear lol).
Some of these children immigrated to US. In my searching I tend to look for references back to Inishmore Area. There was also a son Montgomery Armstrong b 1812 who married Sarah Buchanan. They lived on Inishmore till 1856? when they moved to Tyrone County near Omagh. I believe many of their children immigrated to US, Canada, or Australia.
Just thought I would put this here in case anyone sees a connection.
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Dear Lynn,
Just recently discovered rootschat and your message re Sarah Armstrong Morrison Cross. She and Matthew Cross are also my great-grandparents. I just completed a Cross family history book (over 200 pages) based on my father's years of research. He had obtained copies of the 1880 and 1900 censuses in Michigan but had no 1870 census.
Do you have a copy? I have no record of a son named "Matthew" being born to Matthew and Sarah Cross and would love to get a copy of this census.
Emma Cross Roy was the youngest sister of my grandfather William Henry Cross. The family did lose touch with the Roys I believe.
I would like to find more information on Sarah Morrison Cross. I would like to know when she left Ireland (and with whom she traveled) and when she entered Australia and the names of the ships.
Matthew emigrated to Sydney, Australia in 1855 on the Asiatic.
I would also like to know where you found the family tree online.
Thanks for any information you can provide.
Mary nee Cross
Hi Armstrong researchers,
I don't know if this is the right family but I am going to list my known info and see if you can help me in any way. My husband's great grandparents were Mathew Thompson Cross b. 27 May 1834 Prickwillow, Ely, Cambs, England and Sarah Jane Morrison b. Enniskillen, Fermanagh, Ireland - Dec 1846. Mathew emigrated to Australia around 1855 from England and worked in the Bendigo Gold Mines. He met Sarah in Australia and they married in Ipswich, QLD 3 Apr 1865. They left for America shortly afterward (a son Mathew was born in Shelby, Macomb County Michigan in 1867 according to the 1870 census). The family tree online lists Sarah's father as Robert Morrison and her mother as Annie Armstrong of Ireland. On the 1880 US census for Michigan I have found a Margaret Armstrong b. 1858 in Ireland listed as sister in law and living next door to Mathew and Sarah. My husband's line goes through Mathew and Sarah's daughter Emma Cross who marries Oscar Joseph Roy. Their child is Florence B. Roy born in Oakland, California and then my husband Lonnie. Any help in figuring this out would be greatly appreciated. Lynn
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Dear Lynn,
Just recently discovered rootschat and your message re Sarah Armstrong Morrison Cross. She and Matthew Cross are also my great-grandparents. I just completed a Cross family history book (over 200 pages) based on my father's years of research. He had obtained copies of the 1880 and 1900 censuses in Michigan but had no 1870 census.
Do you have a copy? I have no record of a son named "Matthew" being born to Matthew and Sarah Cross and would love to get a copy of this census.
Emma Cross Roy was the youngest sister of my grandfather William Henry Cross. The family did lose touch with the Roys I believe.
I would like to find more information on Sarah Morrison Cross. I would like to know when she left Ireland (and with whom she traveled) and when she entered Australia and the names of the ships.
Matthew emigrated to Sydney, Australia in 1855 on the Asiatic.
I would also like to know where you found the family tree online.
Thanks for any information you can provide.
Mary nee Cross
Hi Armstrong researchers,
I don't know if this is the right family but I am going to list my known info and see if you can help me in any way. My husband's great grandparents were Mathew Thompson Cross b. 27 May 1834 Prickwillow, Ely, Cambs, England and Sarah Jane Morrison b. Enniskillen, Fermanagh, Ireland - Dec 1846. Mathew emigrated to Australia around 1855 from England and worked in the Bendigo Gold Mines. He met Sarah in Australia and they married in Ipswich, QLD 3 Apr 1865. They left for America shortly afterward (a son Mathew was born in Shelby, Macomb County Michigan in 1867 according to the 1870 census). The family tree online lists Sarah's father as Robert Morrison and her mother as Annie Armstrong of Ireland. On the 1880 US census for Michigan I have found a Margaret Armstrong b. 1858 in Ireland listed as sister in law and living next door to Mathew and Sarah. My husband's line goes through Mathew and Sarah's daughter Emma Cross who marries Oscar Joseph Roy. Their child is Florence B. Roy born in Oakland, California and then my husband Lonnie. Any help in figuring this out would be greatly appreciated. Lynn
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Finally figuring this out again. I have pictures if you would like them. Send me message directly and I will send any info I have. Google my name. Thanks for answering, Lynn Schrag
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message for Mary nee Cross to your posting from 2007......I am descended from george morrison (from Relagh, enniskillen) who I believe was a brother to your sarah jane. george and his first wife marie emigrated to moreton bay, australia (now brisbane) in 1863. I have just recently been in contact with lynn. have you been able to further your irish research?? for years I hit a 'brick wall' with the morrisons in ireland. I could not found where or when george's parents robert and anne (nee armstrong) died, and I could not find out any details about george's brothers and sisters. cheers Lindsay
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Hello to Lynn Schrag & Lindsay M--
First to Lynn--I finally got a copy of the 1870 Michigan census & I see that Matthew & Sarah Cross had a son named Matthew, who must have died as he is not listed in the 1900 census. In that census, there is a Margaret Armstrong listed (as living with them as sister-in-law). Since Morrison was Sarah's last name, Margaret would have to have the same last name to be sister in law. There might have been a mistake in relationship. However, apparently they sometimes used both surnames interchangeably because on Matthew's death certificate, his wife is listed as "Sarah Armstrong."
The other assumption we might make is that Robert Morrison was Sarah & Margaret's father, but he & Annie Armstrong weren't married (which I doubt).
Now to Lindsay--no one ever mentioned anything about any relatives of Sarah's, which I found very odd. Now that you tell me she had a brother George who also emigrated to Moreton Bay, that makes more sense because I didn't think she would travel alone at that young age. On ancestry.com, I saw her name listed as coming over on the "Light Brigade." I looked for her father and mother, but never thought to look for a George.
I would love for you both to reply to me by email ASAP: (*)
I am actually making a trip to Ireland this June & could possibly try to do some research there. In any case, we are all related. I have copies of some info & a photo of Matthew & Sarah shortly after their wedding. Would love to exchange research with you. Would especially like to learn more about Sarah's family. As to Lynn, everyone wondered what happened to your branch of the family once they left Oakland.
Mary nee Cross
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Okay let's start with some known info-Australian birth records list Matthew and Sarah Cross-her name is Morrison. 1880 census in Michigan shows Matthew and Sarah living next door to Margaret Armstrong and sister in law as relationship. George Morrison's parents are Robert and Anne (Armstrong) Morrison of Relagh, Enniskillen, Ireland. In California death records two children of Sarah and Matthew list their mother's maiden name as Armstrong. By the way there were 11 but 6 died of dysentery. Other children of M and S-Matthew died young, Lynda C. marries Samuel Davies and moves to Endicott, New York according to Emma's daughter Edith, Ella and Robert died young (I believe), Lillian Jane marries Frank Brooks Samuel and lives and dies in California. Frank is committed to an insane asylum in Napa, CA. They have 6 children. William Henry Cross marries Elizabeth Goward and lives and dies in Oakland area of California. Mabel marries Herbert Gurney and stays in Michigan where she purchases cemetery plot for M and S and her and her husband. They have 5 children. My husband's grandmother Emma marries Oscar J. Roy (dit DesJardins) who is born in Father's Point, Quebec, Canada and emigrates to St. Paul, MN with his brother. Oscar works with the railroad. Emma and Oscar marry in Portland, Oregon in 191ll. Their children are born in the Oakland, California-they are Eleanor, Clifford, Evelyn, Florence (my husband's mother, and Edith. Emma and Oscar move to Seattle, Washington and Oscar dies there in 1947 and Emma in 1965. Florence marries Loren H Schrag, Sr a chiropractor and naturopathist from Oregon. They move to Soap Lake, Washington shortly after having my husband Loren or Lonnie in Walla Walla, Washington in 1952. They have 2 more children before she dies in 1959 of leukemia. As for Emma and Oscar I have little info. We need a death certificate from Washington I guess to see who she says her mother is. I have not been able to trace Lynda C. Cross Davies either. Any info we can find about her would help. Now you have some more info. I wish we could all be on FB so we could communicate better. I hope this helps. I hope Lindsay sees this also and now we may have his brother helping out. Lynn
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Hi Lynn Schrag,
Thanks for getting back to me so promptly and giving me an update on your branch of the family. I will let my cousins know about you. Wish I'd known before so I could have added you to my genealogy book.
I see you are right & Margaret Armstrong lived next door to Matthew & Sarah in 1870 Michigan census. It is odd she was head of household though.
You said Mabel married Herbert Guerney, but my dad had "Burton" as his first name.
Do you have death records of Crosses in CA? Which ones? Do you have Sarah Cross's death certificate? Someone said she died in San Francisco, but my dad thought she died in Michigan.
How did you know that 6 of Sarah's children died of dysentery? My dad never mentioned anything; I guess his father didn't know or else didn't discuss it. Did you ever hear of a son named Robert of Sarah/Matthew's?
Lillie married Frank Samuel in Virginia. They moved back to MI with the rest of the family around 1900. After William Henry married Elizabeth Goward in 1907, the two families migrated to California. I know nothing about Frank being in an insane asylum in Napa. However, I do recall some odd story about someone just going to bed and never returning to work.
My dad said that after Matthew died, Mabel & Burton Guerney wanted the estate settled, so William Henry came home (from San Francisco) to help. They apparently got a farm and the rest of the children got a cash settlement.
I don't have much info on Linda Cross Davies. My father doesn't have her date of death; only birth & marriage.
I don't have a facebook account, but will try to take time to sign up.
Good hearing from you!
Mary nee Cross
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Hello Mary,
Herbert Jacob Gurney b. Dec. 12, 1874 lives on RFD#3 Corunna, MI. WW1 record on ancestry.com.
I have seen where Sarah died in 1909 in San Francisco but my info (I will check source) says she is buried in Michigan with Matthew and died in 1900. Emma was a servant in San Fran in 1910. I don't have any death certificates just info on California deaths from ancestry.com. Sarah, Matthew, Herbert, and Mable are buried in Pine Tree cemetery in Corunna, Michigan. Emma was born in Richmond, Virginia-what is the connection? The photo I have is dated 1896. Lillian marries Frank that year but the picture has her as Lilly Cross. Was it taken just before she went to Virginia? Mae is born in Virgina before they move back to Michigan. Lynn
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Hi
I don't think I have any connection to the Armstrongs listed ...and I know from searching that there were "lots" of them in the areas mentioned.
My Armstrongs lived on Ennishmore/Inishmore Isle. They were in Drummee and Tully. My original William Amstrong was b 1764 in Dumfries Scotland. Went to Fermanagh Co and met Jane Montgomery b 1774 (Inishmore). They married and had 18 children (so I hear lol).
Some of these children immigrated to US. In my searching I tend to look for references back to Inishmore Area. There was also a son Montgomery Armstrong b 1812 who married Sarah Buchanan. They lived on Inishmore till 1856? when they moved to Tyrone County near Omagh. I believe many of their children immigrated to US, Canada, or Australia.
Just thought I would put this here in case anyone sees a connection.
Soopy...as far as I can make out Sarah Buchanan was a niece of U.S. President Buchanan..
Not sure what would be available on Pres Buchanan's ancestry but you might possibly get clues!
Regarding Montgomery.. the earlier records for them are spelled Mountgomery
Dave.
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Hi
I don't think I have any connection to the Armstrongs listed ...and I know from searching that there were "lots" of them in the areas mentioned.
My Armstrongs lived on Ennishmore/Inishmore Isle. They were in Drummee and Tully. My original William Amstrong was b 1764 in Dumfries Scotland. Went to Fermanagh Co and met Jane Montgomery b 1774 (Inishmore). They married and had 18 children (so I hear lol).
Some of these children immigrated to US. In my searching I tend to look for references back to Inishmore Area. There was also a son Montgomery Armstrong b 1812 who married Sarah Buchanan. They lived on Inishmore till 1856? when they moved to Tyrone County near Omagh. I believe many of their children immigrated to US, Canada, or Australia.
Just thought I would put this here in case anyone sees a connection.
...as far as I can make out Sarah Buchanan was a niece of U.S. President Buchanan..
Doubtful!
U.S. President James Buchanan was born 1791 in Pennsylvania. Father James Buchanan from Donegal (mother Elizabeth Speer). President Buchanan had 6 sisters & 4 brothers but many died young.
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Yes you are correct, she was a cousin not a niece!
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Hi Greg,
I was interested in your post that says that you descend from William Armstrong and Elizabeth Mosgrove. I descend from William's half sister, Mary Ann Armstrong. Mary Ann came to Australia to look for William and her half sister, Margaret Jane Armstrong. She arrived in Australia on board the "Indus" in 1871. She went to Allora in Queensland to work as a cook at Talgai East Homestead. There she met her future husband, Alexander Munro. It was 20 years before she located her brother, and that was through a newspaper article. She took her son, my grandfather, Alexander Munro Jnr., on a sea voyage to visit Margaret Jane in Sydney, and then went on to visit William in Victoria. The story is that my grandfather was 12 at the time, and went away with shoulder length curls, but came back without them. He also managed to lose his sailor hat in the sea! I would be interested in any information you may have on William Armstrong and his family. I'll send you a personal message with my email address.
Thank you.
Best wishes,
Judith.
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Unfortunately Greg hasn't been online since October 2008.
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Hi, I'm not sure if you are still watching Rootschat but your Thomas Armstrong appears to be part of my Armstrong family. I have Thomas Armstrong born UK? married Jane or Janet Ford in Enniskillen. Children: William, m Elisabeth Mosgrove, Margaret Jane, Mary Anne, James, Elizabeth, Edward, and George. Thomas was a miller or millwright in Tempo.
My great great Grandfather William Armstrong born about 1820 in Ireland, was Thomas's brother, and their father was Robin born about 1877 in Fermanagh, died 1883 and buried in Clabby.
This information was provided by cousins.
I am trying to trace this family. Your William and Elisabeth emigrated to Australia in 1854 with their daughter Ellen, and in 1868 my grandfather Robert, his sister Mary Jane and brother Thomas also came to Australia. They lived in the Geelong area of Victoria.
If you or anyone else can help with more information about the family in Enniskillen or elsewhere I would be grateful.
John.