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Title: 1851 2% sample kent
Post by: sueben on Tuesday 23 November 04 17:36 GMT (UK)

with the sample which was carried out on 1in 50 of the the returns, under page 7 Canterbury Barracks is a

MARY sw lyon commissioned unmarried age 23 Lieutenant 2nd
born Middlesex.

Can this be correct.

Can any one check the original record

Many thanks this may be a first if its correct.

Ben Lyons possible family.

Title: Re: 1851 2% sample kent
Post by: PaulineJ on Sunday 05 December 04 13:01 GMT (UK)

I Searched the 1851 index and could not find this record. These are the matches it came up with for me.

1851 United Kingdom Census Sample
Viewing records 1-9 of 9 matches for: 
Lyon* 
 
  « Global Search Results 
 
Name Residence
(ED, County) Birth Place Gender Age
 
Charlotte B. Lyon Kensington Tow, Middlesex Middlesex, England, Kensington  Female  20 
Edward Lyon Kensington Tow, Middlesex Middlesex, England, Shoreditch  Male  57 
Elizabeth Lyon Kensington Tow, Middlesex Middlesex, England, London  Female  21 
Elizabeth Lyon St George Bloo, Middlesex Middlesex, England, Marylebone  Female  26 
Jane Lyon St George Bloo, Middlesex Middlesex, England, Marylebone  Female  27 
Martha Lyon St Katherine C, Middlesex Middlesex, England  Female  27 
Robertson Lyon Regents Park, Middlesex Westminster, Middlesex, England  Male  21 
Thomas H. Lyon Putney, Surrey Middlesex, England, Bloomsbury  Male  63 
Thomas H. Lyon Putney, Surrey Middlesex, England, Bloomsbury  Male  63 
 
Can you double-check your findings, and I'll try again (if I still have access)

Pauline

Title: Re: 1851 2% sample kent
Post by: sueben on Tuesday 07 December 04 08:33 GMT (UK)

Pauline

Many thanks for your reply.

Have checked and from the online , yes the details are correct.
I dont have access to the orginals from here, and many need to get .

The full detials are in freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~shebra/census_1851_2%_sample_misc_institutions.

Last item on page 7.

The details you sent cover how broad an area.

I have a john lyon plus wife and son william born 1845 at Clarence gardens  st pancrac london,

Is this family on your records.

Many thanks

Ben Lyons

Title: Re: 1851 2% sample kent
Post by: Berlin-Bob on Tuesday 07 December 04 08:58 GMT (UK)

Hi Ben,

I found I couldn't access the site you quoted (ps: if you add http:// at the front, the address automatically becomes a link) so I downloaded the Kent 2% sample from this site: http://ftp.cac.psu.edu/pub/genealogy/text/census/ukc/INDEX.html

the entry reads:

@Kent -M Miscellaneous Institutions
#1851
:
Z/93/  (= start of household)
J/DONALD J M/MACLEOD/COMMISSIONED OFFICER/U/32//CAPTAIN 2ND DRAGOONS/ABD//N B/
J/GEORGE CALVERT/CLARKE/COMMISSIONED OFFICER/U/35//CAPTAIN 2ND DRAGOONS/MDX/LONDON/
J/SIR GEORGE/HAMPSON/COMMISSIONED OFFICER/U/26//CAPTAIN 2ND DRAGOONS/MDX/
J/ANDREW/ROBERTSON/COMMISSIONED OFFICER/U/28//CAPTAIN 2ND DRAGOONS/LKS/GLASGOW/
J/FREDERICK/PHILIPS/COMMISSIONED OFFICER/U/31//LIEUTENANT 2ND DRAGOONS///BOULONGE/FRA/
J/HENRY S/SCOBELL/COMMISSIONED OFFICER/U/25//LIEUTENANT 2ND DRAGOONS/CON/PENZANCE/
J/FREDK DRUMMOND/HIBBERT/COMMISSIONED OFFICER/U/25//LIEUTENANT 2ND DRAGOONS/BKM/CHALFORT PARK/
J/WM WALLACE/HOZIER/COMMISSIONED OFFICER/M/24//LIEUTENANT 2ND DRAGOONS/EDN/EDINBURGH/
J/MARY S W/LYON/COMMISSIONED OFFICER/U/23//LIEUTENANT 2ND DRAGOONS/MDX/LONDON/
J/JOHN ARTHUR/FREEMAN/COMMISSIONED OFFICER/U/22//LIEUTENANT 2ND DRAGOONS/GLS/NEWENT/
J/FRANCIS/SUTHERLAND/COMMISSIONED OFFICER/U/21//CORNET 2ND DRAGOONS/CAI/FORSE/
$  ( = End of Household)

The file description says:

Quote

:
Then follow a series of person records, starting 'J'.

Fields are:-
        Christian Names(s)
        Surname
        Relation to head of household
        Marital status
        Age if male     } One of these fields
           Age if female   } should be blank!
        Occupation
        Place of Birth (this may take more than one field, if for example both
                        a town and a county were given.  Order is that given
                        in the enumeration book.  The County is coded to
                        BS 6879:1987 - almost the same as Chapman County
                        Coding)
:

As the second field is blank, this looks like Mary is a man !

"Mary" is one of 12 persons, all commissioned officers, all - according to the above description - male ! 

Back to the drawing board   ???

Title: Re: 1851 2% sample kent
Post by: sueben on Tuesday 07 December 04 17:48 GMT (UK)

Thanks,

looks like we have first female /male in family .#

Do you have access to full 1851 cenus, may be transcrided incorrect.

Thanks Ben.

Title: Re: 1851 2% sample kent
Post by: carol_cholsey on Sunday 08 May 05 23:14 BST (UK)

Hi Ben,
Sorry to disappoint you, but I've just checked the original return and it doesn't say 'Mary', it is quite clearly 'Henry'. All the other details from the transcription are correct.
For your info, there is another 'Lyon' family in the barracks, details as follows,
ref HO107 1624a folio 164
parish St Mary Northgate, Barracks
Alexander Lyon husband mar age 41 groom (soldier) born Glasgow
Isabella Lyon wife mar age 35 born Donegal Lifford
Margaret do dau age 10 born Warwick Birmingham
Catherine do dau age 8 born Norfolk Norwich
John do son age 2 born Galway Gort
Alexander do son age 6 months born Canterbury
As this family was listed amongst the servants for Henry Griffiths, major, 2nd Dragoon guards, they could well have been part of his personal staff.
xx Carol.