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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Berkshire => Topic started by: kesannah on Friday 16 February 07 17:08 GMT (UK)
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Could some please tell me if records for this area would be kept at Reading Records Office. If not where they would be found. Thanks Kesannah
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Is this any help?
http://history.hvs.org.uk/Hurst/Parish-Reg-index.htm
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Gallium, Thankyou very much for your quick reply to my query. It was certainly a great help to me and has enable me to confirm my 8Gt. Grandfathers baptism and the name of my 9 Gt. Grandfather. A really great result for me. :D
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Can you post some names and dates please. I live in the area and I have a lot of local history to hand.
regards
David
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Does anyone know if there is anything like that for Ruscombe?
David, how wonderful to know you live in Hurst.
I grew up in Twyford mainly, and Ruscombe and all my family were local. It helps that most of my ancestors on my maternal grandmothers side came from Ruscombe. When I make a trip to the Records Office (not so easy when you have a 2 year old!) then hopefully, I should be able to get quite a lot of info in one trip? I hope???
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As far as I can see there aren't many records around for Ruscombe although it is worth checking with the Berkshire Record Office in Reading.
The BerksFHS index of marriages covers Ruscombe up to 1812.
I misled you in that I actually live in Wokingham not Hurst but it would seem that you have a lot of local knowledge anyway.
David
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Well, local knowledge as in I know the area, nothing more really!
I'm trying to find out information about Twyford Flower Show in 1905, you would think it would be easy, but no!
Nothing is easy in FH though is it?
A trip to the record offices it is!
xx
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Gallium - That link is very useful TY :)
Confirmed a number of entries I have.
Many thanks again
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I presume that you know that the BerksFHS library is located next to the Berks record office, sharing the building with the registration office.
They have a number of books on Ruscombe and its only a couple of pounds to use it if you are not a member. Check their website before you go to the record office to see when they are open and what they hold.
http://www.berksfhs.org.uk/
David
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Hello Behind the frogs, Thankyou for your reply. The names and approximate dates are the following.
NICHOLAS HIDE 1595/1600
NICHOLAS HIDE 1565/75
NICHOLAS HIDE 1535/45
I am trying to find confirmation of birth/baptism/marriage. Wifes names where possible. You assitance would be greatly appreciated.
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Have you come across the following which is in Berkshire Record Office?
Will of Nicholas Hide of Hurst, yeoman [probate with certificate] - ref. D/EX 26/T/10 - date: 1618
There seems to be some link between it and property later owned by the Heelas family in Wokingham. The Heelas owned department stores in Reading (now John Lewis) and Wokingham (long gone) and were a prominent methodist family in the 19th century.
Possibly Buckhurst Manor which the Heelas family owned but there is a huge hole in the known history of that place from 1500 to 1800. It is today the St Annes Manor Hotel.
David
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David, thanks again for that information. I didn't know of a will or anything else-other than the names of those rellies I posted. Can I apply for a copy of the will,( or is this on Microfiche, )and if so have you any idea what it would be likely to cost.
I am unable to go to the records office myself.
I shall print off your information, it is very interesting.This is My 10Gt. Grandfather who I only found a couple of days ago,thanks to the site that Gilliam put up for me.
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I suspect from the reference that it is the actual original rather than on microfiche. As you have the reference there should be no search fee and so it should only be a matter of copying and postage costs.
I have found in the past that if you email record offices asking what it will cost giving the full reference and your name and address they will often just post you a copy rather than mess about with small costs.
David
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Thankyou David, I shall email them and see what happens. I am so pleased with the help I have received from members of this board. You are all very kind.
Kesannah
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I should have said that at the time you are talking about Hurst Parish was a peculiar of the Dean of Sarum. This means that records not in the Berkshire Record Office in Reading might be in the Wiltshire Record Offfice but I am confused as to whether you need to be looking at Trowbridge, Salibury or Swindon. In particular if the original Will is not in the Heelas Deeds then you may need to search there.
David
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I suspect from the reference that it is the actual original rather than on microfiche. As you have the reference there should be no search fee and so it should only be a matter of copying and postage costs.
The reference may apply to the original - but that doesn't necessarily mean you can get a good copy. Most wills are actually probate register copies - transcribed into books by the probate clerks (if I knew their cataloguing better I could tell if it was a register copy or original will - but I don't). In common with most ROs the BRO will not photocopy from old books as they do not want to harm the books.
They do have the wills on microfiche and can print copies from them - but the quality is not always that good. I am currently trying to decipher a will from the BRO - they won't let me see the original (ie the probate register book), the fiche is indecipherable (lack of contrast means bleed through of ink from the reverse of the page confuses the bit I am trying to read) - if anything the printout is better as there is more contrast. Sadly I have now got as far as deciphering about 2/3 of it - but almost all I have is the usual preamble (commending his soul to almighty God etc) and the postamble (in witness hereof I set my hand and seal - etc.) The interesting bit in the middle is a real mess.
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The reference I believe is to the Heelas family deeds, or should be according to my source. I thus believe there is a good chance that this is an original piece of paper.
David
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The reference I believe is to the Heelas family deeds, or should be according to my source. I thus believe there is a good chance that this is an original piece of paper.
Then a copy is very possible.
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David, I just thought I would let you know that I did email Berks RO and have had a reply from them. The will is with them but as it is on Parchment a photo copy cannot be taken. They do have an external photographic professional who can do this for me. It would cost aprrox £60. so I shall need to wait a while before ordering it. Thanks for your advice and help. Kesannah
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P.S David, Can you tell me why you think this may have some connection with the Heelas Family. Thanks Kesannah
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The will I think is in a bundle of papers deposited by the Heelas family in 1947. This bundle consists mainly of deeds and so I am speculating that the will refers to property which eventually belonged to the Heelas family.
Why don't you post a request for someone who goes to the Berks Record Office to have a look at the will for you? They won't be able to copy it but they might be able to copy down a few vital details and certainly should be able to determine the context in which it is filed.
I found it amongst a number of references transcribed onto a spreadsheet and so cannot be entirely sure but I also know the person (now unfortunately deceased) whose reference it was, was involved in the writing of some articles on the main houses owned by the Heelas family for the local history society.
David
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David, Many thanks for your reply. I shall try putting out a request for someone to have a look at the will for me. Kesannah
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It is possible to photograph documents in the BRO - though they charge £2 per image for the privilege. Still a lot cheaper than £60 if you can persuade someone to do this for you.
If the will was proved in the Archdeaconry of Berks the BRO will probably have it on fiche - copies 40p a page. Even cheaper (but possibly less legible). Or it could be at Oxfordshire RO (just an example of an RO that doesn't charge for use of cameras.
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Thanks David, I was aware that you can photograph in the BRO and of the cost, it apparently would be more difficult to understand (legibity). I did post a message on the look up request of the Berks board and got a reply from Newburychap to say there is a will for Nicholas Hide on the Wiltshire wills site. Unfortunately when I put the ref no in it returns no matches. I do not know what I am doing wrong so have asked him if he can elaborate. It appears that I could download the will for free. Kesannah
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My reference number is to the Heelas files. You will have to search from scratch in the Wiltshire list unless Newburychap gave you a reference.
David
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Thank you once again David I am very grateful for your help. Kesannah
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Kesannah,
I don't know if you have been onto A2A, but on there in the Berks Records Office, I see they have papers concerning Nicholas Hyde,
Grant of property date 1516
Grant of tenement and garden in Castle Street, date 1518
Lease for 30 years of tenements in Castle Street and Old Street date 1520
ALSO
I don't know if this is anything to do with your Hydes
Grant of an acre of meadow in Fobney allotted yearly date 1379 witnesses ........John atte Hyde
There is also mention of Robert atte Hyde of Reading, tanner, in 1392
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Grant by William Wylton' of Reading and his wife Joan to John atte Hyde and his wife Margaret, of Tilehurst in 1402
http://www.a2a.org.uk/default.asp
if you don't have a link
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Thanks Paula, I have tried to navigate the A2A board before but got very confused. I shall try again though-tomorrow. Kesannah
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Hi Kesannah,
I went from the main page up top right where it says search.
Then entered Hyde in 'Keyword' and Berkshire Record Office in 'Location of Archives' Then pressed search.
You get a list of lots of different hits...I just clicked one on the off chance and that's what turned up.
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Thanks David, I was aware that you can photograph in the BRO and of the cost, it apparently would be more difficult to understand (legibity). I did post a message on the look up request of the Berks board and got a reply from Newburychap to say there is a will for Nicholas Hide on the Wiltshire wills site. Unfortunately when I put the ref no in it returns no matches. I do not know what I am doing wrong so have asked him if he can elaborate. It appears that I could download the will for free. Kesannah
The reference is from a different RO, and for different will. The will on the Wiltshire Wills Project site is for Nicholas Hyde who died in 1538 - not the one in the Heelas papers at the BRO which is from 1618. Obviously there could be a connection - same name same place - just a different century. Just search for Hyde and you will find it (there aren't that many) - can't remember if it is indexed under Nicholas or Nicolas.
If the one in the BRO is of interest you will still need to get someone to abstract it for you.
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Don't forget to search under both Hyde and Hide. The one I found was spelt Hide.
David
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My thanks to you all for your help. I have several Nicholas Hides/Hydes
and have looked at the first spelling. Now will have a look at the other one. The 1538 Nicholas is one of mine and fortunately for me my No2 son lives not too far from Wilts. RO. He would be able to go and get copies for me. Also some of the other Hides are mine and a couple that I am not yet sure about.may well eventually connect.
The Reading one I shall leave the request I have posted and hope that someone can oblige.
Kesannah
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The 1538 Nicholas is one of mine and fortunately for me my No2 son lives not too far from Wilts. RO. He would be able to go and get copies for me. Also some of the other Hides are mine and a couple that I am not yet sure about.may well eventually connect.
The 1538 one is available for a free download - I had a look at it a couple of days back - a great one to use for familiarisation with Tudor handwriting. Unfortunately only a few of the wills are available online at present - the others will be added over time.
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Thanks for your reply again Newburychap. I have downloaded the Hide/Hyde wills. Today I am going to try to practise familiarising myself with the handwriting and typing it in modern day English so that others can understand it. I think that could take some time. I have been very grateful for your input. Kesannah
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Hi,
If you mean the village of Hurst, some will be in the Berkshire Record office and some at St. Nicholas Church. Can you give me names and dates? I might be able to assist.
Fletcherhist
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Hello fletcherhist, Thanks for your offer of possible help.
The details I have are:
JOHN HIDE b 1655 Hurst Father Nicholas Hide -Mother Judith Morgan married Hurst 1649. (Their Son John was born 1687 and baptised St. Mary Reading)
NICHOLAS HIDE b 1622 Hurst Father Nicholas -Mothers name unknown
NICHOLAS HIDE b about 1590 Hurst father Nicholas Hide-Mothers name unknown
NICHOLAS HIDE b about 1560 Hurst- neither parents name known
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I would be grateful for any information you may be able to obtain,so that I can confirm dates of birth,parentage etc.
I hope I have set this out clearly enough for you. Regards Kesannah.
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Hi Kesannah,
I'm afraid I can't find any Nicholases. The only reference I have of the Hide family, Hurst is as follows:
The Hide family had strong royal connections and were a prolific family in Berkshire in the 16th and 17th centuries. When William Hide died in 1624 he was in possession of a house at Hinton Hatch. Situated there today is the 16th century house, Hinton House. It was recorded in 1620 that Thomas Hide of Hurst was the second son of William Hide of Dechworth. Thomas married Elizabeth, the daughter of John Barker of Wokingham.
If any more info comes up I'll advise. Have you tried the Bershire Family History Society?
regards
Fletcherhist
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Fletcherist, thanks for looking. I haven't tried the BekrsFHS' How would I go about that I would aprreciate your assistance. Regards Kesannah
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Just go into the Berkshire Family History Society website via Google. You will find a telephone number and and email address.
Best of luck.
Fletcherhist
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Thanks very much. I shall do that. Kesannah
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Hi,
i originaly come from embrook a place between Wokingham and Reading,near Hurst,i did work there for a while and so did my sister,her husband came from Hurst and they married at Reading Registry office,added to this,my first job when leaveing school in 1965 was at Heelas of Wokingham in the toy department.
as far as i know all the records come under Reading.
Joyce