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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Barnford on Sunday 11 February 07 11:30 GMT (UK)
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Hello
I am looking to find any information on the Acworth family who emigrated to Australia between 1886 and 1888. They settled in Brisbane but I do not know the port of arrival. Their last residence in the UK was in the London area.
The family was Louis Acworth b1853 (burial date 01/04/1890 Brisbane), wife Elizabeth Maud nee Bryant b1851 (burial date 31/12/1937 Brisbane) and children: Alice, Louis, Walter, Clare, Arthur and William. Two children were born in Brisbane: Edwin in 1888 and Louis in 1890.
As I have discovered military service records, it is possible that Louis travelled with his brother William Alfred and wife Elizabeth nee Beiley, although it is also possible that they may have joined them later.
Any help or advice would be much appreciated.
Thanks in advance
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Hi Barnford,
I am going to the Qld State Archives this week. Would you like me to look up the immigration records to see if your family arrived in Queensland?
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That would be fabulous if you are sure it is not too much trouble.
Thanks
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Hi Barnford
If there are records of the family arriving in Brisbane I am sure Ruskie will find them :)
I'm not sure if you have the death date for Louis viz 1 April 1890 ref 1890/B022909 parents Louis Acworth and Emma Abbott
Births
Edwin Josiah ACWORTH Louis Joseph Elizabeth Maud Bryant 11 Oct 1888 1888/B042365
Louis Joseph ACWORTH Parents Louis Joseph and Elizabeth Bryant 2 Sep 1890 1890/B046862
There are no further deaths for Acworth to 1914.
A death certificate should give age and birth location, details of marriage and children, time in Australia (each state) and burial information (which you have found).
There are a large number of children born to William Alfred and Elizabeth Jackson Beley
Archibald Vincent ACWORTH William Alfred Elizabeth Jacson Beley late bashford 26 Dec 1891 1892/049838
Eirene Mabel ACWORTH William Alfred Elizabeth Jacson Beley 13 Jul 1898 1898/B062803
Elizabeth Alice ACWORTH William Alfred Elizabeth Jacson Beley 8 Jun 1903 1903/B006988
Elsie Mildred ACWORTH William Alfred Elizabeth Jacson Beley 4 Feb 1896 1896/B058055
Florence May ACWORTH William Alfred Elizabeth Jacson Beley 9 Jan 1901 1901/B002366
Rosina Violette ACWORTH William Alfred Elizabeth Jacson Beley lat Bashford 23 Aug 1890 1890/B046856
William Snowdon ACWORTH William Alfred Elizabeth Jacson Beley late Bashford 28 Sep 1893 1893/B053497
Trish
There are also a number of marriages - probably children of Louis - let me know if you would like details of same
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No trouble at all Barnford.
Thanks for that Trish - I was going to check for any bmd's at the archives - you've saved me the trouble ...
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Hi
The miliatary records you have seen.
Do you mean those from National Archives australia?
The digitised records ca be good for finding a spouse or death date sometimes.
In your Acworth case I am puzzled by the record of Walter Cornelius. Is he yours?[parents Louis and Elizabeth]
He states his birth date as 1898 and you have Louis' burial at 1890. Actually when you add up his stated age of 19 looks more like 1896.
He states his mother as NExt of Kin Elizabeth
He was a great hero anyway especially considering his young age and got a medal
Also see that Archibald Vincent states his mother as NOK when he enlists in 1916 and he lives with her.
He died 13/3/1957.
William Snowden enlists in AIF 1916 but he lists father William as NOK
On his second enlistment for ww2, it is Ivy Acworth.
Sue
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Hi Sue
There is a marriage for Walter Cornelius 4 July 1898 to Elizabeth Wands and then they had 9 children, including Walter Cornelius born 29 Aug 1898 - so this may be where the confusion comes from (It seems he added 2 years to his age - 19yrs 2 months on 25 Oct 1915).
Trish
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Isn't that amazing.
There was a strict rule in that family.
you may only marry Elizabeth!!
Was Walter Cornelius the the son of Louis and Elizabeth?
I know the age thing was extraordinary and his recommendation for valour says
"Youth of poor physique"
so brave
Sue
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I would assume so - Barnford mentions a Walter - but there is no death record to 1914. He had a child in 1913, and perhaps more - no death to 1914.
As you noted in his recommendation for the mm "although a youth of poor physique" - someone no doubt knew that he was younger than stated!
Trish
PS I find it so sad that we sent so many of our young men off to war - his parents signed a permission slip! They surely knew when he was born (unless he was registered 2 years after his birth - I guess if they married later this is possible ???)
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MMmm.., Yes Trish,
I think he is probably the youngest lying enlistee [if our facts and figures are correct] that I have come across. He seems to be 16 and a few months. As you say both parents signed. Amazing.
'Poor physique' they noted. Well only a pup after all.
Seems to have been a bigger man inside!!
Sue
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Thank you all for the very interesting information and the birth dates of the last two sons confirms my estimate of the dates of arrival in Australia. On the IGI they are shown as being born in the UK which does not gel with some of the NAA archive material.
I hope this is OK but I will try to answer your questions all in one place rather than individual responses.
1) Children of Louis. I have just been contacted through GReunited by a relative of Louis George who has supplied quite a lot of information on that branch of the family. He married a Francis Rosa Agnes Willmot (d1919 QLD) but where and when I do not know. They had 4 sons and 4 daughters, the eldest born in 1893 in Brisbane.
2) Walter Cornelius senior was born in Croydon Surrey in 1879 and died in Hemmant 28/05/1949. His parents are Louis and Elizabeth (the main subjects of this post). Walter and Elizabeth had a son Walter Cornelius b 29/08/1898 d 16/08/1989 Redcliffe. The digital record I found which refers to him in the NAA shows him living at Armstrong Road Cannon Hill Brisbane. He is a Private in the 14th Australian Field Ambulance No. 13584. The document is dated 26/11/1942 and relates to the loss of a discharged returned soldier's badge in Moreton Bay.
3) Archibald Vincent b 26/12/1891 Lambeth London is the son of William Alfred Acworth and Elizabeth Beiley (refer to Trish's BMD information). William is the brother of Louis Joseph. As I said in my original post, I am not sure if William travelled with Louis Joseph or arrived as part of a second wave. The IGI gives marriage date as 'about 1889' in London, so I suspect he arrived later.
4) William Snowden is also the son of William Alfred and Elizabeth Beiley. I suspect that the first NOK was his father, the second maybe his wife.
I hope this information has not muddied the waters and thanks again for all the help.
Clive
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Hi Clive
Re No 2 - you might like to double check the naa record - I think you have only looked at the first page - there is much more available including his enlistment form, service details and details of his military medal (I think there were about 27 pages - some are duplicates)
Here are some other BDM records that may be useful (including the marriage of Louis to Francis Rosa)
Evelyn Rosina Lily Acworth married Josiah Chamberlain 20 Jan 1890 1890/002026
William Alfred Acworth M Elizabeth Jackson Bashford 21 Oct 1890 1890/B014488
Walter Cornelius Acworth M Elizabeth Wands 4 Jul 1898 1898/B019352
Louis George Acworth M Frances Rosa Agnes Willmot 27 Mar 1899 1899/B019848
Not sure if you know - the B in the reg number indicates Brisbane
Trish
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A few more marriages
Lillian Maud Acworth M Harry Hastings 4 Apr 1900 1900/B000205
Acworth Clara Emily M William Victor Robinson 16 Jun 1904 1904/B003283
Acworth Alice Lavina M Francis Hannet Rusbridge Murray 1 Jan 1908 1908/B006210
Acworth Arthur Herbert married Jeannie Annabella Anderson 31 Mar 1909 1909/B007441
Acworth Violette Rosina M Ernest Genn 4 Oct 1911 1911/B010768
Acworth Willie Alfred M Maggie May Smart 24 Apr 1913 1913/B013208
Acworth Louis Joseph M Henrietta Wilson 23 May 1914 1914/B015101
Acworth Edwin Josiah M Edith Annie Parris Williams 8 Jul 1914 1914/B015226
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I cannot see a Qld marriage for William and Elizabeth Beley - they probably arrived together - Ruskie may find them at the archives
Trish
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Hello
Thank you for that wealth of information. I must admit that I had not noticed the subsequent pages of the NAA archive - every day something new.
Regards
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I will see what I can find Trish (and Clive of course).
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I cannot see a Qld marriage for William and Elizabeth Beley - they probably arrived together - Ruskie may find them at the archives
Trish
Could a reason for this be in one of your earlier messages:
Archibald Vincent ACWORTH William Alfred Elizabeth Jacson Beley late bashford 26 Dec 1891 1892/049838
Maybe her maiden name was Beiley (or Beley or Bailey) but she married with the name of Bashford (widowed perhaps?)
Just a thought..
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Hi Clive,
I've got some information for you from the Queensland State Archives. I hope it all makes sense.
From the immigration books:
ACKWORTH
ship: Almora
arrived: 22 Sept 1886
IMM/121, p347 & 348, film Z1963
Alice age 11
Arthur 2
Clara 4
George 9
Lewis J 32
Lilly 32
Walter 6
William Inf
from the film I discovered that Lewis J was a plumber and all the family came from Surrey.
ACWORTH
ship: Duke of Buccleuch
arr: 23 Sept 1885
IMM/120, p324, film Z1962
Alfred William age 19 from Surrey
Edward H 22, general labourer from Kent
Emma 48, from Kent
Eva 11, from Kent
Louis 49, labourer from Kent
BRYANT (are these yours?)
ship: Duke of Westminster
arr: 8 Dec 1884
IMM/119, p306, film Z1961
Elizabeth M age 33
William H age 28
I couldn't see any obvious Bielby's arriving in Brisbane.
From a different film (immigration agents):
Date of arrival of ship Almora Sept 22 1886
Date of departure from depot Sept 24
Louis Ackworth and family (note spelling Louis rather than Lewis)
In the column headed "whether under management" is written "friends" and "address" is Toowong. So it appears that the family are either visiting or staying with friends in Toowong (a Brisbane suburb)
Duke of Buccleuch arrived Sept 24 1888, departed depot Sept 25.
Louis Acworth
In the column headed "whether under management" is written "work", and in the column headed "name and address of person by whom engaged" is simply written Toowong.
That's all the information so far. Let me know if you'd like more. For example, I didn't look at the film to see the Bryants, and I did not search thoroughly for Bielbys (just had a look at the immigration books). It's no trouble if you need anything else looked up.
I did have a look for wills/intestacies for Louis d 1890 and Elizabeth d 1937, but could find nothing I'm afraid. (I didn't take any other death dates with me).
Hope this helps you in your search. Good luck.
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Hello
That is of great help thank you. The first family was the one I was looking for. I think that Lilly must be a diminutive of Elizabeth. The second Acworth family is made up of Louis Acworth's parents - Louis and Emma (although the ages are a bit approximate) - and some of Louis' siblings. Alfred William is William Alfred, who subsequently marries Elizabeth Beiley (or Bashford - I am not sure which of those is her maiden name). The Bryants do not belong to me.
Thanks to you all again - this is far more information than I was expecting to discover and I am very grateful.
Clive
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You're welcome Clive. Yes, the ages on these immigration records are often a bit approximate. One of mine took 10 years off his age - probably improved the chances of gaining employment. Don't hesitate to ask if you need more look-ups.
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I recently read information re assisted emigration from UK 1850s - the older they were the more they had to contribute to the fare :o :o so many, I think subracted some years!
Trish
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I found some interesting information on the two boats. On the Queensland digital archive site there is a copy of a diary of a passenger on the Almora from the 1860s and I also found some information - and a picture - of the Duke of Buccleuch and what became of her. Rather them than me...
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It's always interesting to find information like that.
One of mine arrived on the Duke of Buccleuch too. You get to recognize the names of the ships - it looks like they contantly sailed back and forth between the UK and Australia. There are usually a few births and deaths on board - must have been dreadful conditions.
Could you post the links to those ships please Clive?
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Sure:
http://www.manuscriptsqld.slq.qld.gov(.)au/home/features/previous/shipdiaries
The Almora is the fourth one down.
This one has a picture of the boat and tells of its demise:
http://www.findonvillage(.)com/0821_duke_of_buccleuch.htm
Remove the () brackets to make the links work - spam protection.
Hope you find them of interest
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Thanks a lot for the links - (too lazy to find them myself ;D)
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I found those most interesting - thank you Clive.
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Is interest in the Acworth line still alive? Am researching my Acwotrh Grandmother and her descent.
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Is interest in the Acworth line still alive? Am researching my Acwotrh Grandmother and her descent.
Hello
This is research I was carrying out with my brother in law and is pretty much complete from our side, thanks.
Clive
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I can't see any mentions on this thread of info from the National Library's digitised newspapers so I thought I'd post a link as you may be interested in having a look - there are 900-odd entries with this surname from 1847-1954. Obviously some of them will not be relevant but I notice many are from Qld papers.
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/search?adv=y
Cheers, Judith
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I don't know if this is the Louis Acworth you are looking for but.
A database for the Queensland Government Gazette that refers to Queensland Intestacies, Insolvencies and Wills has the following.
Louis Acworth
Toowong
Insolvency
Brisbane Court
25th Jan 1887
Page 274
The Brisbane Courier 1864-1933
Thursday 13 Jan 1887
Page 4 RH Column at the bottom
has a small write up referring to a Louis Acworth Plumber applying for Insolvency before Justice Harding in Brisbane.
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/3462135?searchTerm=louis+acworth
Also
Louis Joseph Acworth
Brisbane
Plumber and Painter
Insolvency
Brisbane Court
8th Jan 1889
Page 452
The Brisbane Courier 1864-1933
Friday 7th June 1889
RH Column midway
has a small article referring to a Louis J Acworth a Plumber of Brisbane being adjudicated Insolvent before the Chief Justice Sir Charles Lilley.
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/3497083?searchTerm=louis+acworth
Regards
Gerry
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Clive,
Are you looking for any Electoral Roll or other Directory info on Louis and family?
Gerry
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Clive,
Are you looking for any Electoral Roll or other Directory info on Louis and family?
Gerry
No, not any more, thank you.
Thanks you very much for the information you have provided. I will pass it on to my brother in law but it is distant family for him.
Clive
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Hello everyone searching Acworth
I am in the process of compiling a lot of information into a book on my Acworth line. Louis Acworth was my GGGGrandfather. If anyone has any information or would like some we may be able to help each other.
Regards
Kay
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Kay,
There may be some Directory and Electoral Rol info on Louis Acworth do you want this info?
Gerry
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Thanks for answering, Gerry. I appreciate anything you may have. I have quite a bit but there are always holes to be filled and it is hard to say exactly what I need, as I am trying to piece together their lives, so all the mundane things are very welcome. I have the details on the insolvency, but I am having trouble finding anything on a plumbing business.
Not being in Qld makes it harder for me, and if anyone has anything from UK, that would help a lot too. I would also like information about the children left in UK, Emma Amelia, Alice Clara, and Arthur James. Is everyone aware that Louis and Emma returned to England? Louis died 21st July 1895 but I haven't got his exact buriel. Emma died Sept 1899, (no date) buried Newton Abbot Devon England. Louis Joseph was another son who was already married and came out twelve months later. He is my GG Grandfather.
In case there is confusion, Acworth is one family which can be traced back to at least 13th Century. There are an awful lot of branches, but we all belong to the one tree.
Regards
Kay
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Hi,
I am researching a Victorian CDV photograph album and there is a photograph of a lady with the name Alice Clara Acworth written on the back. A lot of the photographers are in Croydon, Surrey. There are also two photos from Brisbane, Australia.
Ken.
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Hi Ken,
That photograph sounds like it may be the Alice I'm looking for. The family came from Croydon, Surrey. Do you have any more details?
Kay
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Hi Kay,
Re the Acworth plumbing business.
1892 Queensland Post Office Directory by Weatherill.
Acworth A. W., electrician, Mont rd, SB.
Acworth Herbert., plumber, Mont rd, SB.
Acworth Lewis., plumber, Mont rd, SB.
There were two Insolvent situations.
Queensland Government Gazette Vol XL Saturday, 22nd Jan 1887, No17.
Page 274
In the Supreme Court of Queensland, Louis Acworth of Toowong, dated 12th Jan 1887.
Queensland Government Gazette Vol XLVII Saturday, 8th June 1889, No 32.
Page 274
In the Supreme Court of Queensland, Louis Joseph Acworth, plumber and painter of Brisbane, dated 5th June 1889.
Gerry
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Hi Gerry,
Thanks very much for the information. I knew about Louis in 1887, but didn't know about Louis Joseph in 1889 or the A.W. Acworth, electrician and I wasn't aware Herbert Acworth was a plumber. That gives me a little bit more of the story.
I'm happy to pass on anything I have, if you are interested. Anything else you come up with would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks again
Kay
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Kay,
Meant to add from the Directory that Mont Road SB would be Montague Road, South Brisbane.
Gerry
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Hi Kay,
There are around 70 photographs in total from the 1860's to the 1880's. Most are Croydon and South London photographers. Also York and Kent. PLus the two from Brisbane, Australia. The ones that have names on are as follows.
Initials J.T.R ( 7 photographs of different people ) one has the name Uncle Arthur Read.
Mr.Read, 30,James Street.
Elizabeth Read ( died 30-6-1880 aged 22 ).
Grandma ( York ).
Mr.Hilliard.
Shipway.
Uncle Frank Whitlock ( 2 photos ).
Uncle Shaylor.
Grandma Carrie Shaylor.
Aunt Becky.
Great Grandma Abbott.
Aunt Abbott.Aunt Hannah.
Alice Clara Acworth.
Hope this is of help.
Ken.
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Hi Ken,
The only name I recognize is Alice Clara Acworth. If these were taken in Brisbane, they may have come over from England with the family. Is there any chance you could send me a copy of Alice's photo? I notice we can put up attachments on these messages. If not that's ok.
Kay
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Ken,
I meant to say if these were taken in England. So sorry for the misunderstanding.
Kay
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Hi Kay,
Having problems putting the photos up for you. Please send me an email link via my web site at www.lidovintageimages.co.uk and I will send them to you.
Ken.