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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Warwickshire => Topic started by: carolwalden on Thursday 08 February 07 14:34 GMT (UK)
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Hi, could some kind soul look up the birth of Anthony Gillespie.
He was born 1843 in Birmingham according to the 1881 & 1901 census.
He was a sailor then a labourer, am finding it hard to trace him before the the 1881 census.
He married Jane Waters in Whitby 1866,they had 5 children that i know of.
I have tried the FreeBMD to find his birth but with no luck,also tried the Latter Day Saints site.
Any help much appreciated.
Carol
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Hello
have you had a trapse thro the birth index images (free) on Ancestry - bit eye straining but they are pretty complete
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Hi,will give that a go.
Thanks.
Carol
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Couldn't find him on Ancestry ???
He is not at home in the 1891 census, as he was a sailor i suspect he was on a vessel somewhere.
Cant locate the family in the 1871 census either.
There is a gap of 6 years between their first and second child, i am assuming they might have had more but they didn't survive, or Anthony was away for a long time at sea.
The family is at 7,Newton St,Middlesbrough in 1881 & 1891, not sure about the address in the 1901 as i ran out of credits.
So it looks like another line of my family is going to be a tough one to locate ;)
Carol
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1901
RG13/4582/17/25
St.John's Middlesborough
51 Melrose st.
Thomas Wolf/30/Head/?? shipyard
Mary A/28
Ellen/5
Mildred L/3
Thomas/1
Anthony Gillespie/56/Boarder/Lab. in iron works/B'ham
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I think this is Emmaline in 1901
Lime st.Middlesborough
Emma/W/42
Harry/21
John/18
Charlotte M/16
Emmaline/15
Ethel/12
Ernest Broomfield Gillespie/8
Robert/7
All chidren born Middlesborough & listed as sons or daughters.
This Emmaline doesn't appear anywhere else.
Regards Jim
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1901 wrong family for Emmeline,found them in 1891 as well >:(
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Hi Jim, thanks for taking the time to look.
I checked with the Tees Valley Index and there were two Emmeline's born in 1885 mine is the one with the middle name of Maud.
I double checked with the marriage index and i have the right one.
I have had problems locating her in the 1901 census also, she didn't marry until 1910 so must have had a different spelling for her name.
I contacted a lady on another site and she has the other Emmeline.She was the one who gave me Anthony as my gt gt gt grandfather.
The 1901 entry with Anthony as lodger, is actually staying with his daughter and son in law.Also know as WOFF/WOOF in other census returns.
In the 1871 census they had only the one daughter that i know of Sarah Jane R born 1867 Whitby, but i cant even locate her.
Have tried using the various spellings but to no avail. They must have been somewhere ???
Carol
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Hello Carol
Young women quite often went into service as you know but weren't included on the census often due to confusion on who should be on it.I have one or two like that.
I'll have another look around and try and be a bit more inventive with the variations.
Jim
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Hi-this won't help finding them in 1871-but think I have sarah J R in 1891/1901
it seems she married twice -both times in the name of Gillespie
FreeBMD marriages
Mar qtr 1884 Middlesborough
on same page
James McAllen
Sarah J ane R Gillespie
9d 895
Sept qtr 1890
Middlesborough
on same page
Sarah jane R Gillespie
John James Porter
1891
28 Spencer St Middlesborough
John James Porter head M 25 Iron Moulder London
Sarah J. R. wife 23 Yorks Whitby
Thomas Edward Porter son 3mths Middlesboro
Jane Mc Allen stepdaughter 5 Middlesborough
RG12 4011 70 43
1901
9 Commonden? Place Poplar London
John J Porter head 35 Iron Moulder Poplar london
Sarah J wife 33 Whitby Yorks
Thomas E son 10 Middlesborough on Tees
Emmaline 4 Tidal basin Essex
John C 1 Poplar London
RG13 354 141 41
Hope this helps to fill in a gap!
Suz
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Hello Carol
You'd be amazed at the different spellings and mistranscriptions there are for this name,but whatever you put they are not there.Sorry.
I'm going for a lie down in a dark room.
Jim
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1871 census RG10 4847 folio 123
1 Mead Yard Whitby Yorkshire
Jane Gillespie 24 Whitby, Yorkshire, Head Married Mariner's wife
Sarah J Gillespie 3 Daughter
What information does Anthony give about his father on his marriage?
Regards
Valda
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Hi, thanks for the information.
Was beginning to think it was just me who couldn't find them.
Jim, i have a room just for this situation except mine is padded ;D
Suz, i had no idea she married twice, it didn't occur to me to look at all the marriages after 1881. I see the name Emmeline is used again.
Val, i am under orders to wait till next month to order more certificates ::) Had to order some for my hubby's side of the family this month, so as soon as i get paid i will order Anthony and Jane's marriage cert. and see what it has to say.Was hoping it wouldn't come to that.I thought Gillespie would be an easy surname to trace, should have known better.
Thanks again.Will let you know if i find anything new.
Carol
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Been looking for Anthony Gillespie b abt 1843 Birmingham - have found one b Derbys -may be worth keeping on file???
1851
Peggs Buildings
Derby St Aulkmund
Mary M McGlown? head W 59 Laundress Ireland
Bridget daughter U 26 Silk Mill Hand Ireland
Henry Guilespy Grandson 12 Derby
ANTONY GUILESPY grandson 8 Derby
(spelling as on image)
HO107/2142 1888 30
also looked for Gillespies in Birmingham -found the following (which may be of interest if his father turns out to be Anthony??)
1851
Marshall St Birmingham
Antony Gillespy lodger M 45 Journeyman (crossed through) agricultural lab Ireland
Thomas Gillespy lodger U 20 Casting Pot maker Ireland
James Gillespie Visitor U 26 Manservant Ireland
in the household of Thomas and Mary Coolicon (b Ireland)
HP107 2052 60 9
Suz
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Thanks for that Suz, i did find a birth for an Anthony Gillaspy born Derby 1843 on the FreeBMD site but i ruled it out as Derby is quite a way from Birmingham.
Maybe he changed place of birth for some reason and i am going round in circles ;D
Is there any way to check what boat he may have been on in 1871 and 1891?
Had a look on findmypast.com and there are two entries for Anthony, one taken in Derby age 17 and one taken in Durham age 19.Will give them a look when i get paid and see if i cant pin him down.
Carol
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Anthony Gillespie born Derby - father also called Anthony, was a school teacher on the 1861 census in Derby.
Anthony Gillespie born Newcastle aged 19 and visiting in County Durham was a clerk in an iron works.
Regards
Valda
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Hi Valda, thanks very much for looking for me.
It seems a big leap from school teacher to mariner.
Not looking likely either of these are my man is it?
I am wondering if he was at sea in 1861 also, would explain why i cant find him.
He could have made port near Whitby and thats where he met Jane.
Thanks again.
Carol
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Hi Carol
there is quite a large family of Gillespies from Irish descent thru' the censii
(spelt different ways) but I don't think they are yours either.
I agree that Anthony was at sea but if he was a merchant mariner rather than Royal Navy it would be almost impossible to know where he was unless you have an employer,and as merchantmen worked on different ships he probably had several of those.
I think it's Anthony 1 Carol 0 :'(
Jim
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Hi Jim, i think you maybe right.
All i know about his work is what i have gotten from the census entries.
In 1871 his wife is the wife of a Mariner, then in 1881 he is listed as a sailor.
So doesn't look like he was with the Navy.
He was away what seems like a few years at a time so he probably worked for different employers as and when work appeared.
Have ordered the 1851 census disc from the Latter Day Saints,he may still elude me but as its for the UK at least i might be able to pin him down somewhere.
And if all else fails i have made an investment for future researching ;)
Thanks for everyones help,it is greatly appreciated.
Carol
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The 1851 census disk from the Latter Day Saints covers the counties of Devon, Norfolk and Warwickshire only. It has one Anthony 'Gillipsy' born circa 1808 in Ireland on census night 1851 in Birmingham.
Another index that has full coverage for England in 1851 also gives you
Anthony Gillaspie born circa 1829 in Carlisle in Cumberland in 1851 and
Antony 'Guslaspy' born circa 1843 in Derby and in Derby in 1851.
There are 8 Anthonys in Birmingham in 1851 born Birmingham or Ireland, born within two years of a circa 1843 birthdate - none outside Birmingham with a Birmingham birth. None of them have the surname Gillespsie but in future years for various reasons (but the most likeliest would always be illegitimacy) anyone of them may have chosen to use the surname Gillespsie which might account for the difficulty in finding Anthony, or simply that though he gave Birmingham as his birthplace he arrived there after the 1851 census (or is very difficult to spot on the census, or was not enumerated) and was a merchant seaman by 1861. If he wasn't actually born in Birmingham the most likely place for his birth may very well be Ireland.
There is no Anthony Gillespsie on The National Archives electronic database for Royal Navy service 1873 - 1923.
Since the censuses do not help in the search, the main piece of evidence which may move the search on, remains Anthony's marriage certificate. Without it anything else remains mere conjecture.
Regards
Valda
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Hi Valda, thanks for that. Will be ordering his marriage certificate at the end of the month. Will let you all know what it has to says.
Seems i am destined to have difficult ancestors :P. I have Scottish ancestors who also came back to Scotland from Ireland after spending a few hundred years over there. My husbands family seem to pop out of nowhere too. Its all good fun though and with kind people like yourselves willing to help out its not such a chore ;)
Thanks again and will update you as soon as the certificate hits the floor ;)
Carol
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Just a quick update.
I ordered Anthony`s marriage certificate and his daughter Emmeline`s birth certificate.
On the marriage certificate his occupation is a Sailor and his father was Anthony.
On Emmeline`s birth certificate his occupation is Seaman Merchant Service.
So i have managed to get a little further ahead but not much.
I did find a death record on the FreeBMD site for an Anthony age 72 in 1877 Birmingham and one in Derby in 1882 age 65 both are likely candidates.
Looks like i have a bit more searching to do.
Carol
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What occupation was given for his father Anthony on the marriage certificate?
Anthony Gillepsie aged 63 in Derby on the 1881 census was a travelling draper (street seller) born Ireland. Cloth hawker in 1861 with son Anthony aged 17 the school teacher born Derby.
On th 1851 census in Birmingham there is an Antony Gillipsy aged 45 an agricultural labourer born Ireland with sons Thomas and James aged 20 and 26 also born Ireland. I can't see anything after that.
Regards
Valda