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1841 census
I am interested to find
ELLEN DOWNS, age 25 of Stoke (or possibly Langport or Hanley).
Thank you,
Florence Kate
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Hi
Is Downs her maiden name or marital name.
Alison.
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There is this one although it says all not born in the County (41 gives no actual places of birth)
HO107/996/10/F13/P19
Brinley? Hill, Kingswinford, Staffs
Edward 25 Iron ?
Ellen 20
James 4
Ann 2
Edward 1
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Sorry, I should have said, DOWNS is her maiden name.
F
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I think we need a bit more to go on, was she born in Staffordshire? or do you expect her to be living in Staffordshire? as I cant see anyone on the 41 that matches. This is all I can find on the IGI
Ellen Downs ch 29.12.1813 Stoke on Trent Stafford
Burial 2.1. 1814
Father Samuel Mother Hannah
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Yes Patrish there is something of a mystery connected with all this.
I know that Ellen Downs came from Staffordshire, and I know that by 1851 she was married to William Newton (of Northamptonshire) and living in Birmingham. But I cannot find either of them in 1841.
I just wondered if Ellen was still in Staffs in 1841 (hence my query); it might help me to work things out a bit. There is a possibility that she was a second wife and brought children from a first marriage to Birmingham. If she married twice, I suppose Downs might be her original surname or the surname of her first husband.....
Oh dear. Perhaps I should investigate the marriage first and then work backwards to the census. Anyway, thanks for your interest. I think I'll leave it there for the moment, and see if I can go at it from a different direction.
Thank you,
Florence
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As recently reported in the Northants Look Up requests, I think I have found the NEWTON family I was looking for in the 1841 census ..... under the name BURTON!
Note the similarities between this and the family I am looking for:
Burton William 30 1811 Boatman
Burton Ellen 25 1816 in county (Staffordshire)
Burton Elizabeth 6 1835
Burton Lucy 1 mnth 1841 in county (Staffordshire)
HO107 992 3/5 2 living at Wharf Street, Shelton, Stoke upon Trent.
Janan thinks this might be it!
Florence Kate
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Pls excuse me. 78 and struggling a bit with IT! Have detail of a William NEWTON baptised 13 November 1811 subsequently a brickmaker, Little Brington, Northamptonshire, 1835-1841
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Thanks for the suggestion. The place is certainly close to where I hope to find William Newton, but I'm not at all sure about a brickmaker. The William NEWTON I am looking for was first a BOATMAN, and later a railway worker. However, I will keep your suggestion in mind. Thank you.
Florence Kate
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You need to find the marriage of her to Wm Newton.
If she was a widow and is down as Ellen Downs that would be her prior married surname not birth surname, sometimes both are given .
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1841 census
I am interested to find
ELLEN DOWNS, age 25 of Stoke (or possibly Langport or Hanley).
Thank you,
Florence Kate
Hi
I'm from near the area (stoke) are you meaning Longport or Longton ? I don't know of a Langport :)
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hello patrish,
Yes, I do see your point but I'm a bit stuck on finding her marriage to William Newton because it is likely to be before 1837 and I don't know WHERE I'm looking. Do you have any ideas?
Florence Kate
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To MrsT_tobe,
I am simply quoting what Ellen gave as her place of birth in the 1851 and 1861 censuses (Stoke), the 1871 census (Burslem) and 1891 census (Langport). They may be wrong, but this is what she thought on each of these occasions. Langport could well be Longport. Thank you for that.
Florence Kate.
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A couple of points, have you considered that they may not have legally married.
I dont seem to be able to pick up the Burton (Newton) family with the reference you gave on Ancestry. :(
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To MrsT_tobe,
I am simply quoting what Ellen gave as her place of birth in the 1851 and 1861 censuses (Stoke), the 1871 census (Burslem) and 1891 census (Langport). They may be wrong, but this is what she thought on each of these occasions. Langport could well be Longport. Thank you for that.
Florence Kate.
Glad I can be of some help. If its Burslem then I think it's Longport rather than Longton :)
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Thanks for the suggestion. The place is certainly close to where I hope to find William Newton, but I'm not at all sure about a brickmaker. The William NEWTON I am looking for was first a BOATMAN, and later a railway worker. However, I will keep your suggestion in mind. Thank you.
Florence Kate
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My apology, must be the wrong Newton. William Newton married Hannah Cherry 11 November 1834 at Great Brington, Northants.
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Hello Patrish,
Yes, I suppose it's perfectly possible that they were not legally married. The 1841 reference I gave (HO107, 992, 3/5 2) points to the Burton family living in Wharf Street, Shelton. The original I looked at is exceedingly feint, hence, i think, the reason for a certain confusion over the surname.
What I could do about finding the marriage if there is one, I am not sure....
Florence Kate.
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As you feel that the Burton family in 1841 is the Newton family, how about getting Lucys birth certifcate as she was born after registration to see what is says about her mother....... a word of warning though, even if it says "formerly" whatever it still does not signify that a legal marriage took place.
Other than that I dont know what to suggest .
Having said that I cant seem to find Lucy,s birth registration are you sure that she is 1 month on that census if it very feint ??? as I cant seem to pick that up on Ancestry :(