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		England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests => Topic started by: pegdoll on Tuesday 06 February 07 00:21 GMT (UK) 
		
			
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				A cousin has spent a lot of time trying to get to the roots of our Popkin line. She is now sure that Charles Popkin b 1840
 parents were  Henry Popkin b abt 1811
 Harriot Rawlins b abt 1811 They married  13 April 1830 Southwark St Olave
 Their children were left as orphans when  Henry died 1852, Harriot had passed away in 1848. Their children ;
 Alfred  b abt 1836
 Charles b abt 1840
 Emma b abt 1842
 Julia b abt 1845
 I'm looking for anyone who can increase our knowledge on this family. The Children attended London District School Norwood, All Saints Croydon Surrey.  regards pegdoll
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				It looks like the ages of the children are  a little out.
 
 The children you mention are on 1851 census as inmates at the School in Norwood and p.o.b. given as not known - poor little mites , they probably didn't know how old they were!!!
 I have found (what looks like) more children -and the mentioned children on 1841 census.
 
 1841
 Bath Street bethnal green middlesex
 Henry popkins 30 S Weaver
 Harriett 30
 Harriett 10
 Alfred 5
 Emma 4
 Charles 2
 Walter 5mths
 all b county
 HO107/692/8 40 10
 
 1851
 Norwood All Saints Shool
 Alfred Popkins 15
 Charles 11
 Emma 13
 Julia 5
 all described as inmates
 all p.o.b. not known.
 HO107 1601 664 15
 
 Possible births/deaths
 FreeBMD
 Birth
 Charles Popkins
 Sept qtr 1838
 Whitechapel 2 451
 
 Birth
 Walter Popkin
 mar qtr 1841
 Bethnal green
 2 162
 
 Death
 Walter popkin
 Sept qtr 1847
 bethnal green
 2 53
 
 Birth
 Julia Popkin
 Mar qtr 1845
 Whitechapel
 2 ?o2
 
 I have a possible marriage for Julia
 
 Back tomorrow
 
 Suz
 
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				Thankyou so much for the time you have taken for me. My cousin and I have been trying to find the correct Charles Popkin for a number of years as there are three born about this time and area. By a process of elimination we have Charles born August 1839 Bethnal Green to Henry and Harriot Popkin. The problem was that Charles  "married" Louisa Smith and had a large family but there is no marriage! Family history said they did not marry and we have done a lot of work on this and found no marriage.
 Thankyou again regards pegdoll.
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				Have you checked this marriage out?
 
 Name is slightly different -but it does happen!!
 There is only one male and two females on the page
 
 FreeBMD
 mar qtr 1865
 on same page
 Charles Pipkin
 Louisa Hannah Broughton
 Fanny Miles
 Kensington
 1a 10
 
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 Did you get Louisa's name from children's birth cert?
 Maybe she had been married before??
 Suz
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				Yes the Smith name came from the childrens birth certificates.
 No we have not looked at the marriage you found.
 We did look at Charles popkin & Louisa Alma Smith 1875 at West Ham same vol different page number but it was a dead end.
 Thankyou for your help, it could be worth looking into.
 regards pegdoll.
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				I am wondering if you have the correct Charles - the one who we have been tracking who "married" Louisa - to me doesn't seem to be the same Charles who was in the Norwood school
 
 That one seems to have married a Ruth???
 
 Suz
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				Two Charles Popkins about the right age in London census 1861 
 
 1 Charles Popkin 19 Apprent. Tailor born Mile End  RG9/228/fol.62
 
 2 Charles Popkin 22 Porter born Spitalfields
 Ruth 18 born Maldon Essex     RG9/262 fol 32
 
 Jennifer
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				one is Charles Popkin in 1871 the other Charles popkins in 1871.
 
 Jennifer