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General => Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing => Topic started by: Lauraine on Sunday 21 November 04 22:11 GMT (UK)
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Hi All:
Not sure if this has been discussed or not, but would like to know how other people feel about DNA Studies. ??? It is a real rage across the pond - especially pushed on many family groups over here (Cda & U.S.).
My main question is "what value is it" especially for someone who is just looking for family background, a bit of history and perhaps meet some interesting cousins? Granted, the results will be valuable to professional Genealogists. No doubt all the results will be posted in some expensive site. The cost of these tests range from $300 to $500 U.S. funds. Really not sure if I need to know from which 7 daughters of Eve, I evolved from. :-\
Your thoughts please.
Lauraine
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The only good I can see DNA links is if you are trying to prove a particular link with a particular surname:
for example: say in Ireland and to a family with the same name in Scotland.
Other than that yes very expensive indeed! :o
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A worldwide DNA database has been discussed in a number of other areas and depending upon which side you are arguing for is either the greatest idea since adma and eve went for that apple to being the worst concept of an Orwellian nightmare.
The pro camp argue that it would be invaluable for numerous reasons (strangely enough genealogy wasn't one of them) while the anti camp were up in arms at the possible "big brother" intrusion into personal lives ..... The most often quoted reason was to imagine the scenario where you were refused insurance on the basis of your DNA showing a family predisposition towards a certain disease.
Personally I think it is a little too expensive at the moment to consider although with costs constantly coming down who knows ....... come to think of it I saw an advert in one of the Family history magazines for anyone with a certain DNA sequence to contact the writer ....... The future or a future nightmare ?
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My haplogroup is R1a1a on my Dad's side. This gives tremendous insight to the source of your paternal/maternal lines come from. I would never have guessed mine included Isle of Man, Norway, Brahman India, Mideast and on and on. It doesn't give the whole picture just two. Remember you're doubling every generation for awhile. So once you've gone back a few generations it could be 2 of 64,128....1024 or more. In context By my 3rd GGrands I'm back over 200 years and have 32 unique families. Check Wikipedia haplogroups for more detail.
For a woman to get her Fathers line she needs to use her brothers, the Father's brother or other direct male The same would be true of any other male line. Like your Mothers surname line. You have to find a male relative for each of those lines which can be difficult once you go back a few generations.
The nice thing is that even though it's a limited window it's exciting to know your actual roots. I would never have even vaguely thought of the aforementioned links. That it was just England. When in fact England barely pops up at all.
BTW there are frequent specials which reduce the costs. Also you can begin with smaller number of markers. They generally begin with 12, then 24 37 67 the more markers the higher specificity and the more recent the ancestor match when it happens.
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"My haplogroup is R1a1a on my Dad's side. This gives tremendous insight to the source of your paternal/maternal lines come from. I would never have guessed mine included Isle of Man, Norway, Brahman India, Mideast and on and on."
Wow! Cougrrr8,
This is the first time on this site that I have noted someone with the same DNA reference as my own.
I have been trying to trace my Scottish ancestors back to the Isle of Barra (Outer Hebrides) and had to track down a male cousin to take the DNA test for me. The results were a close enough match to others online in Canada (who did have direct lineage proof) to give me the confidence that I was on the right track. So, for me, the DNA test accomplished all that I wanted - I'm now just waiting (and hoping) to be put in touch with someone who can fill in the missing links in my research.
Milly Mac.
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Initially was only going to say that I had a Scottish link also. Howerver since DNA tends to be an amorphous type of deep mystery thang decided to show the actual results. Hope this helps. BTW like I said my only source for my paternal line is a family source...reliability though is unknown. It said he was born Colchester on Thames. That doesn't seem right. The only direct link from DNA states Yorkshire. Again not in sync with either Thames or Colchester. Hmmmm It doesn't line up well but you should get the drift.
Family Tree DNA
Y-DNA - Ancestral Origins
12 Marker
EXACT MATCH
Country Match Total Country Total Percentage Comments
Norway 1 1333 0.1%
United Kingdom 1 10648 < 0.1 % Isle of Man (1)
United States 1 2551 < 0.1 %
GENETIC DISTANCE -1
Country Match Total Country Total Percentage Comments
Denmark 1 814 0.1%
England 9 23924 < 0.1 % Yorkshire (1)
Estonia 1 75 1.3%
Finland 1 1835 0.1%
France 2 3363 0.1%
Germany 9 12063 0.1%
Greece 2 681 0.3%
Hungary 4 1181 0.3%
India 6 1322 0.5%
Iran 1 266 0.4%
Ireland 1 14057 < 0.1 %
Israel 1 138 0.7%
Kuwait 1 154 0.6%
Latvia 1 260 0.4%
Norway 7 1333 0.5%
Pakistan 1 150 0.7%
Poland 2 3628 0.1%
Russian Federation 5 3069 0.2% Bryansk Oblast (1)
Scotland 13 11422 0.1%
Sweden 3 1593 0.2%
Switzerland 1 1843 0.1%
Ukraine 2 1543 0.1% Ashkenazi (1)
United Arab Emirates 3 269 1.1%
United Kingdom 6 10648 0.1% Isle of Man (1)
Shetland Islands (2)
United States 1 2551 < 0.1 %
Uzbekistan 2 180 1.1% Karakalpak (1)
25 Marker
EXACT MATCH
Country Match Total Country Total Percentage Comments
United States 1 1982 < 0.1 %
GENETIC DISTANCE -2
Country Match Total Country Total Percentage Comments
England 1 18714 < 0.1 % Yorkshire (1)
Norway 1 573 0.2%
Scotland 1 9026 < 0.1 %
37 Marker
EXACT MATCH
Country Match Total Country Total Percentage Comments
United States 1 1729 0.1%
GENETIC DISTANCE -3
Country Match Total Country Total Percentage Comments
England 1 15900 < 0.1 % Yorkshire (1)
67 Marker
EXACT MATCH
Country Match Total Country Total Percentage Comments
United States 1 586 0.2%
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Hi Cougrrr8,
Have you contacted the 67 marker exact match?
Milly Mac.
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Hi Milly Mac,
I have and with a 67 match it should be close. I think they said that meant <200 years or was that 2-3 generations. They don't match any way you slice it though which is very frustrating.
Everything is frustrating about my surname line. The only family data is a place that doesn't exist, I have a Yorkshire connection but with a genetic distance of one. Meaning not direct but maybe a brother or cousin.
In the land of very few connections and few studies....my exact match in the UK is Isle of Man. Go figure. Through a fluke actually talked to the head of FTDNA. He stated that it looked like a definite Viking connection through Norway. All new to me.
How did yours work out?
Craig
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Hi Craig,
Apparently the R1a1 haplogroup is considered definitely Viking descent.
I have been told by others with the same group that those who have this are most probably descended from Somerled- Lord of the Isles.
(Look him up online - amazing).
My family line is MacNeill - their Clan seat is on the Isle of Barra - Outer Hebrides. Several of the Clan in Canada (with direct lineage to Barra) have this haplogroup and are fabulous in helping with family trees.
The only actual connections I have made are the family that I had already tracked down myself - clever! but each time there is a new DNA registered they let you know if it is a match & to what degree, so I just keep waiting.
West coast of Scotland &most of Ireland was the sea trade area for the Vikings, so it makes sense that this haplogroup is there.
Happy hunting.
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My paternal ancestors come from Suffolk, Essex, Oxfordshire, Warwickshire and Gloucestershire. Maternal is Essex, London, Dorset, Durham, Norfolk and outside Britain is Huguenot and Scottish etc. I probably have a lot of R1a1a in my ancestry.
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Hi All:
Not sure if this has been discussed or not, but would like to know how other people feel about DNA Studies. ??? It is a real rage across the pond - especially pushed on many family groups over here (Cda & U.S.).
My main question is "what value is it" especially for someone who is just looking for family background, a bit of history and perhaps meet some interesting cousins? Granted, the results will be valuable to professional Genealogists. No doubt all the results will be posted in some expensive site. The cost of these tests range from $300 to $500 U.S. funds. Really not sure if I need to know from which 7 daughters of Eve, I evolved from. :-\
Your thoughts please.
Lauraine
at the moment its my understanding only men are great candidates for DNA testing as they carry the Y chromozone.. however if there is proof that this is not so why not pay private through your local GP or recognised medical centre/hospital.
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scotlandsdna.com offers the Y test for £170, and the mitochondrial can be added for an extra £30.
They are about to expand to UK-wide.
Hibee
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Hi All:
Not sure if this has been discussed or not, but would like to know how other people feel about DNA Studies. ??? It is a real rage across the pond - especially pushed on many family groups over here (Cda & U.S.).
My main question is "what value is it" especially for someone who is just looking for family background, a bit of history and perhaps meet some interesting cousins? Granted, the results will be valuable to professional Genealogists. No doubt all the results will be posted in some expensive site. The cost of these tests range from $300 to $500 U.S. funds. Really not sure if I need to know from which 7 daughters of Eve, I evolved from. :-\
Your thoughts please.
Lauraine
at the moment its my understanding only men are great candidates for DNA testing as they carry the Y chromozone.. however if there is proof that this is not so why not pay private through your local GP or recognised medical centre/hospital.
I dont think that the DNA test carried out by your doctor would be any good has a genealogy tool, nor would they have a database of possible matches. I also think that the prices quoted in the original question above have come down since 2004 when the question was posed.
https://www.23andme.com/
http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/extras/molgen/auto_dna.html
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For the avoidance of doubt - there is a town called Colchester, and there is a river called the Thames. They are both in England.
BUT they are far apart and always have been.
I just didn't want anyone to go looking for a non-existent place :)
Carol