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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: PrueM on Wednesday 31 January 07 11:10 GMT (UK)
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I wondered whether anyone has easy access to the publication:
"Gravestone Inscriptions NSW Volume 1, Sydney Burial Ground", by K.A. Johnson and M.R. Sainty.
If you do I would like to request a couple of lookups please ...
Looking forward to hearing from someone! :D
Prue
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Hi
I have access to a copy , what are you after
Cass
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Brilliant, Cass! :D :D :D Thanks so much.
I am looking for the following people
Isaiah/Josiah DANKS died 1830 aged about 6
Joseph DANKS died 1836 aged about 54
Mary DANKS died after 1836 - born around 1780. Maiden name HOLMES - she was Joseph's husband.
I have seen the name DANKS written also as DUNKS and TONKS.
Also searching for Richard BALFOUR, died 1842 aged about 47. name also spelled BELFOUR and BELFORD.
Thanks Cass, I hope you find something :D
Cheers
Prue
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Hi Prue, looks like you may have hit the jackpot
The book states that the headstones ended up at Bunnerong,
here are the MI Inscriptions recorded in the book for Bunnerong in 1969.
C of E Section
20 Isaiah DANKS died 19th September 1830 aged 6 years and 6months. (U-P) means Upright headstone in poor condition)
Wesleyan-Methodist Section (thought they be connected to you)
2629 John DANKS died 17th July 1848, also Thomas DANKS died 1st December 1849, also H DANKS died 1852, also Hannah DANKS died 5th September 1856, also Samuel DANKS died 15th September 1863, also Mary, wife of Thomas DANKS died 2nd July 1873, (U-P)
and also C of E Section
1698 Mr Richard BELFORD died 18th September 1843 aged 45 years
( U-F) f= fair
Nothing recorded for Joseph or Mary , or DUNKS , TONKS, BELFOUR
According to the book my G G G G Grandfathers headstone also ended up at Bunnerong, when I went out there it appears that some years ago they "cleaned out "the headstones and only a few ended up in a Pioneer Park, my John was not there I hope you have better luck
Cass
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Thank you SO MUCH Cass, you have made my day! :D :D :D
I have a feeling that Hannah DANKS is one of mine but will have to check. The others could be related somehow.
I am so happy I could jump for joy. Thank you very very much for finding these for me.
Have a great day!
:) :) :)
Prue
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Hi Cass
I was wondering if you could kindly look up a name for me as well?
Im after Isaac Moss Died: 1.9.1832 Sydney
Buried: Devonshire St Cemetery, Sydney
Also hoping his son Isaac Moss Jnr may be there died Sydney 1 SEP 1837.
Thanks a lot
Michelle
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Hi Cass
I was wondering if you could kindly look up a name for me as well?
Im after Isaac Moss Died: 1.9.1832 Sydney
Buried: Devonshire St Cemetery, Sydney
Also hoping his son Isaac Moss Jnr may be there died Sydney 1 SEP 1837.
Thanks a lot
Michelle
Hi Prue, looks like you may have hit the jackpot
The book states that the headstones ended up at Bunnerong,
here are the MI Inscriptions recorded in the book for Bunnerong in 1969.
C of E Section
20 Isaiah DANKS died 19th September 1830 aged 6 years and 6months. (U-P) means Upright headstone in poor condition)
Wesleyan-Methodist Section (thought they be connected to you)
2629 John DANKS died 17th July 1848, also Thomas DANKS died 1st December 1849, also H DANKS died 1852, also Hannah DANKS died 5th September 1856, also Samuel DANKS died 15th September 1863, also Mary, wife of Thomas DANKS died 2nd July 1873, (U-P)
and also C of E Section
1698 Mr Richard BELFORD died 18th September 1843 aged 45 years
( U-F) f= fair
Nothing recorded for Joseph or Mary , or DUNKS , TONKS, BELFOUR
According to the book my G G G G Grandfathers headstone also ended up at Bunnerong, when I went out there it appears that some years ago they "cleaned out "the headstones and only a few ended up in a Pioneer Park, my John was not there I hope you have better luck
Cass
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Hi Michelle
I have had a look in the book and it also looks like they went to Bunnerong
Church of England Section Headstone Inscription
Rebecca Moss wife of Joseph Moss died 30th September 1832 aged 27 years leaving a husband and infant child. also Isaac Moss died 7th April 1832 aged 73 years leaving 3 children. also Isaac Moss junior died 1st September 1837 aged 42 years. also Isabella Moss...also Lydia Moss... also Maria Moss... (A-G)
This is the exact info contained in the book, sorry no dates for Isabella. Lydia and Maria.
Abbreviations A - Altar G- Good
There is another Isaac Moss mentioned in the Jewish Section, don't think it is your but here is the info
Phillip, 3rd son of Isaac & Maria Moss accidentally run over on 17th May A.M. 5622 (A.D 1862) aged 7 years
regards
Cass
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Thank you so very much Cass, I really appreciate your help.
Now to find out if any of the headstones survived and are at The Eastern Suburbs Memorial Park?
Again thanks a lot
Michelle
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have a read of this, it might help
http://www.esmp.net.au/cemetery/pioneer-memorial-park.aspx
Cass
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Hello everyone,
I was wondering if I could request a look up as well. I am looking for:
John Hampden Edwards d. 14 Dec 1843, buried 15th Dec
Georgiana Elfrida Edwards d. 15 May 1853, buried 17th May
John Henry Edwards d. 14 Nov 1841, buried 16th Nov
Frederick Robert Edwards d. 12 March 1842
I do not know where they were buried but I am assuming it was the Devonshire St Cemetery.
Thanks so much in advance. Mel
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Mel
I have checked the book and am sorry to say no luck for any of your Edwards family
Cass
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Hi Mel, some of my family members went to Bunnerong but others went to Rookwood Independent, where their burial date is given as the date of reburial i.e. 1901, not 1850, so it may be worthwhile searching there. The Independent and Catholic sections have on line search facilities, but the Anglican section is out of service and requires a phone call. Good luck, Fran
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Thank you so much Cass & Fran. It's a shame they're not in the book. I'll try Rookwood, Fran. Thanks for the tip. Mel
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Hello Cass
I wonder if Francis How/Howe and possibly his namesake son, died 1809, are recorded at one of the early Sydney burial grounds?
Colin Rowley, Pascoe Vale
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Have a look at "Old Sydney Burial Grounds-Inventory of Burials", there's a Frances Howe Drummer with the NSW Corps listed there. Fran
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Hi
I have looked and can find no reference to Francis How/ Howe in the book, Frances Howe the drummer Franh1946 mentioned, he is not recorded either, I checked a couple of times as I thought that I might have missed them, even got the magnifying glass out as the print is a bit small
sorry
Cass
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Devonshire St Cemetery dates from the 1820s.
Francis How/e death 1809 may be in the Old Sydney Burial Ground
http://www.australianhistoryresearch.info/old-sydney-burial-ground/
and
http://www.caseyandlowe.com.au/sitethbg.htm
Re Devonshire St Cemetery re-interments
http://www.bda-online.org.au/files/CE_SBG_RR.pdf
and
http://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/learn/sydneys-history/people-and-places/old-sydney-burial-ground
JM
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Have a look at "Old Sydney Burial Grounds-Inventory of Burials", there's a Frances Howe Drummer with the NSW Corps listed there. Fran
From an excel spreadsheet for Old Sydney Burial Grounds - Inventory of Burials (at the City of Sydney website linked earlier :) )
Burial, Francis HOWE, 22 May 1809
Headstone transcriptions and references
RST: Drummer NSW Corps,
RM: Soldier of NSW Corps.
(RM: Thomas D. Mutch Index, Mitchell Library CY377 – 378. Card index of birth, marriage, and death entries compiled from parish registers. Though it covers later time periods, it is most effective for the pre-1830 time frame.
RST: St Phillips Church parish Register
Vol 2 has C/E burials 1787 to 1831
Vol 4 has chronological baptisms, burials & marriages 1787 to 1809 for St Phillips Sydney.
Vol 5 has baptisms, burials & marriages 1809 to 1811 for St Phillips Sydney.
Vol 7 has baptisms, burials & marriages 1812 to 1818 for St Phillips Sydney.
Vol 8 has baptisms, burials & marriages 1819 to 1825 for St Phillips Sydney)
Likely that would match to the Early Church Record indexed at NSW BDM online as 1809, Volume 2A, line 2395. Francis HOW. I would suggest that Francis was a drummer boy with the 102nd Regiment.
See the Col Sec Index online here:
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/indexes-online/colonial-secretary/index-to-the-colonial-secretarys-papers-1788-1825
HOWE, Francis. Drummer, 102nd Regiment
1820 Died at Port Jackson in 1808
JM
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Hi Cass,
I was wondering if you were able to tell me if an Elizabeth Reeves Richardson was mentioned in the "Graveyard Inscriptions : Old Sydney Burial Grounds".
I appreciate any help.
Thanking you
Regards
Ron
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I was wondering if you were able to tell me if an Elizabeth Reeves Richardson was mentioned in the "Graveyard Inscriptions : Old Sydney Burial Grounds".
She died in HOBART. Why do you think she would be buried in Sydney ???
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD35-1-3p102j2k
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Hi Ron here is the obituary for Elizabeth Reeves Richardson.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/2959683?
Cottage Green was the home of the Reverend Richard Knopwood at one stage.
Johngirl
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Hi Merlin & Johngirl,
Thank you both for the information you have provided and the time taken to research these documents. Surprisingly, I too have come across these documents.
In response to to Merlin's question as to why I think Elizabeth may have been buried in Sydney is as I have not been able to find any record of her burial in Tasmania. I have spoken with the Tasmanian Archive service "Linc" and they have confirmed this. They also hold a book called "Inscriptions in Stone" by Richard Lord which lists all the headstones lined across the wall of St. David's Park in Hobart (formerly known as St. David's cemetery which was one of the earliest cemetries in the colony) and her name is not listed, nor is there any record of her grave being relocated to Cornelian Bay cemetery when the city council took ownership of the land.
'Cottage Green' where Elizabeth and her husband Dr. William Richardson resided had a small cemetery, although, I don't believe Elizabeth may have been buried there as the residence was sold shortly after her death and her husband made a quick exit from the colony bound for Glasgow with their daughter Fanny. So if anything, Elizabeth may have been buried in Sydney en route to the motherland as their sons resided there; the eldest being William Wright Richardson who worked for the large shipping firm Messrs Gilchrist, Watt & Co. which introduced a lot of Scottish immigrants into the colony before he went on to become a successful grazier with his brother Tottenham Lee Richardson whom I am a direct descendant of.
Also, the trip to the United Kingdom was a long journey so I suspect her body may not have been returned for burial.
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Hi richoraine,
I'm sorry I cannot help with where your Elizabeth may be buried, but would like to mention that with almost 100% certainty, the burial would have been local and probably prompt.
December/January is the middle of Australian summer and in 1851, there was no refrigerated means of transportation for remains of deceased persons.
Sue
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Surely a doctor familiar with the rate of decay of a deceased person wouldn't attempt to travel with the deceased on a 3 month sea voyage to the homeland.
Also, do you have information to show he sailed from Tasmania via Sydney. Although I'm not familiar with the direction ships took at that time, I would have thought they would have sailed off in the direction of WA, from Tassie, rather than up past QLD and over the top end.
If Elizabeth was brought to the mainland she could be buried at a number of places. She was married in Bathurst and son William Wright was born in Windsor and had farming land on the Bogan River. Below are newspaper articles:
Marriage:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01i2z/
Son's death:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01i2y/
Jamjar
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deleted, wrong information
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I don't know if you have this information, but in my search for Elizabeth, I have found the burial place of of William W who died at Kogarah 9-1-1924 and his son Neville Worsley 5-10-18. It appears that Alice Maud isn't buried with them.
Woronora, Anglican Monumental Section 2 graves 0199 and 0198
Neville's death notice: http://www.rootschat.com/links/01i32/
Jamjar
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Hi Sparrett, Jamjar & majm "JM",
Thanks for your replies. Based on your advice I'll stick with Hobart as being the most likely resting place.
In reply to Jamjar's thoughts on preservation of a body, when Emperor Napoleon Bonaparte passed away in 1821 on the island of St. Helena then later exhumed in 1840 for reburial in Paris it was believed the high level of arsenic in his body attributed to his body's slow decay as the substance is toxic to microorganisms and slows down the decomposition of human tissue. So, yes, it is quite possible that some form of preservation may have taken place.
Now this is where the confusing part is, viz:
According to the undertaker's record, Elizabeth passed away at Hobart on 26th December 1851 from a stroke injury (apoplexy). Her residence ,'Cottage Green', was up for sale earlier that year on January 1851 via the Hobart "Colonial Times" as a consequence of Dr Richardson's immediate departure from the colony. Furthermore, the "Launceston Examiner" of 26th February 1851 mentions Dr Richardson as having left the colony. A Sydney newspaper, the "Empire" of 17th March 1851 mentions a Dr Richardson as being a passenger on the ship 'Blackwell' headed for London. Then the following year (10 months after Elizabeth's death) "The Shipping Gazette & Sydney General Trade List" of 9th October 1852 mentions the brig 'Emma' arrived from Hobart on 2nd October 1852 with a Dr Richardson, and the Sydney newspaper "Empire" of 18th November 1852 mentions the brig 'Golden Spring' on departure for Melbourne with a Dr Richardson. One year on from Elizabeth's death, a Hobart newspaper "The Courier" of 22 Dec 1852 advertises 'Cottage Green' as still being for sale, and as "the residence of Dr Richardson who is about to leave the colony." again.
So, yes, ships did sale up and down the east coast of Australia.
And, thank you Jamjar for the information on the grave sites.
regards
Ron
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So, yes, ships did sale up and down the east coast of Australia.
Yes I know that ships sailed up and down the East Coast, infact my own ancestors did so.
I was referring to whether to get to the UK from Tasmania ships would go via Sydney, via Cape York Peninsula, as opposed to the WA route.
Ron, as a non-medical individual, but a student of forensic science I would argue that there were possibly various reasons for Napoleons preserved state. You were suggesting that an uninterred corpse was being shipped to her homeland, in the heat and refrigerated, for a possible 3 months. Even just from Tassie to Sydney would be unpleasant.
So, from what I am reading in the shipping notices, the good Dr left Tasmania, leaving his wife behind and the house for sale. Did she stay behind to watch over the house, or was it because they had separated?
Some of the Dr Richardson sailing up and down the East Coast, could be the Dr Richardson of Victoria.
I can't work out if this is in Tassie or Scotland, but is in the Tassie paper in Dec 1851 with a good Dr present: http://www.rootschat.com/links/01i33/
Of course none of it can be proven and is only speculation.
Jamjar
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Hi Jamjar,
My apologies for the misunderstanding.
I don't know what navigational course was used. It would make sense, as you suggested, to travel along the bottom of Australia for the U.K.
The dutch appeared to use the roaring forties to sail to Australia then up the Western Australian coast to trade in Java. Then sailed back to Europe on a direct course between Madagascar & Africa.
With regards to the doctor & Elizabeth's relationship, I cannot answer that. I can only assume from the articles I have read that they were both regarded as fine members of society.
Also, interesting link you've supplied.
I've also come across another article suggesting there may have been a vet by the same name. Whether they are the same person has yet to be determined.
Thanks heaps for your assistance as I'm about to share my research findings with my extended family who have also contributed anecdotes & photos to yhe family tree album.
regards
Ron
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I do have one question, Ron, do you know where Alice Maud, wife of William the elder is interred? I just couldn't find her. I did see a notice of Probate I think it was in 1918, but no death or burial notice prior to it.
Jamjar
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I do have one question, Ron, do you know where Alice Maud, wife of William the elder is interred? I just couldn't find her. I did see a notice of Probate I think it was in 1918, but no death or burial notice prior to it.
Death & funeral notices (including place of burial):
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/15777128
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/15788717
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Thanks Merlin, I'd seen the Leura death and couldn't find it again, so thought I'd imagined it. 😀
I didn't have the burial though. She's a bit far from home.
Jamjar
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Hi, We are in lockdown right now BUT I am able to visit the Botany Pioneer Park and take photographs. To the person Mossy 5 my husband is related to Isaac Moss and Lydia Lucas Moss Their daughter Susannah married William Roberts. I only just found out their headstones are at Botany.
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Hi
I have access to a copy , what are you after
Cass
Hi Cass - would you also be able to look up one for me - Barney/ Barnabas Chaney died 16 April 1858 ?
Kind regards
Megan Butel
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Sorry, i have looked thru the book at all the different index's and cannot find any "CHANEY"
regards
Cass
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CHANEY's first name seems to have been confused at times.
Barnet here
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/13086845
Bernard here
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/104515474
Barney here
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/60425194
Same man though.
Sue
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Thanks so much for taking the time to check.
Kind regards
Megan
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just noticed this link on another Post
https://gutenberg.net.au/devonshire-street/__devonshire-home.html
Cass