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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (East Riding & York) => Topic started by: Glesca lassie on Monday 29 January 07 22:24 GMT (UK)
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Hi, Where would I write to, to get a copy of a marriage 1870 in Leeds, iI would also like to find some census in leeds, 1851, 1861 for a William crooks born approx 1840 married to a Mary goulding, he is listed as a shoemaker
Mary
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Hi Mary,
If you look the marriage up on www.yorkshirebmd.org.uk you can order it from the site (if it's there) they have a good coverage of Leeds marriages, if not there, find the reference either on freebmd (order link from website) or www.ancestry.co.uk both free to search, or www.findmypast.com pay-to-view but also with a link to order certs.
will have a look for your census and get back to you
Barbara
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The marriage is on the yorkshirebmd site, but is listed as Crookes not Crooks, anyway you can order it from there.
Can you please say where you saw him listed as a shoemaker, how you know his age, and whether he was actually born in Leeds, I can't seem to find him anywhere ???
Barbara
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Can you please say where you saw him listed as a shoemaker, how you know his age, and whether he was actually born in Leeds, I can't seem to find him anywhere ???
Barbara
I wonder if Mary is referring to the 1841 census, where there is a William Crook aged 3 weeks who is son of Joseph, a shoe maker, living in Leeds ???
Bee :)
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Hi, Thankyou for your help, I phoned the BDM in Leeds and was able to order the marriage certificate, i have William in the 1891 census in Glasgow aged fifty and his occupation was shoe maker, he also has a son John aged 20 years listed and he is also a shoemaker, he had a daughte Lilly born in Glasgow 1884, his occupation is listed as a coal merchant, his wife Mary died in Glasgow in 1899, and he is listed as a Clog maker, I haven't been able to find his death yet, I don't know if he returned to Leeds, I don't know his fathers name, as I don,t have his marriage or death certificate yet, thanks to both of you for your help
Mary
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Hi Mary,
No wonder I couldn't see him in England later on!
Following on from Bee's posting, here's the family in 1851:
HO107/2320 fol.657 p.2 1 Balls Yard, Leeds
Joseph Crookes head mar 47 Shoemaker Yorks Leeds
Mary " wife " 50 Ireland
James " son 16 Shoemaker Yorks Leeds
William " " 9 " "
Alfred " " 7 " "
Matilda " dau 6 months " "
Barbara
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This could be William halfway up to Scotland!
1861 RG9/3705 fol.12 p.17 55 Newgate St, Bishop Auckland, Co. Durham
Mills Pickard head mar 28 Shoemaker Yorks Leeds
Margaret " wife " 30 Yorks Deighton
William H. " son 8 mo Durham Bishop Auckland
Patrick Kelly lodger mar 45 Shoemaker Ireland
William Crooks " un 18 Shoemaker Yorks Leeds
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Hello Barbara, Thanks very much, I am sure this is him, once I get his wedding certificate I can see his parents names, I have been trying to find his wife Mary Goulding (Golding) on the census with no luck, I am assuming she came from Leeds as well, as usually you get married in the womans parish, (Well you do in Scotland) I don't know about England, Thanks again, I hope I can return the favour someday, perhaps you might need something looked up in Scotland
Mary
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Hi Mary,
If this is the right family, it just occurred to me that Bee just mentioned the 1841 census but you might like the full details:
1841 HO107/1347/7 fol.5 p.3 Quarry Hill, Leeds
Joseph Crooks 35 Shoemaker
Melinda " 35
Martha " 15 Comb Mkr
Frances (f) " 13 Flax Spinner
Jane " 10
James " 6
Joseph " 4
George " 2
William " 3 wks
all born in county
Barbara
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Hi Barbara, Thanks again for your info, I am looking at the 1851 census and it says he is married to Mary from Ireland, does it say on the 1841 that Melinda is from Ireland, possible she was called Mary for short
Mary
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Hi Mary,
No, as I said on my posting, all born in county (Yorkshire) - I was wondering if he was married twice, it's such an unusual name to get wrong if it ought to be Mary! Of course the older three children would have moved on by 1851 - or it could be the wrong family....... ???
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Hi Barbara, Thanks for getting back to me, once I get Williams marriage certificate, all will be revealed , I hope, I will keep you informed
Thanks again
Mary :)
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Hi Barbara, Just to keep you up to date, I have received William Crookes marriage cert, but alas it only tells you his father, no mothers name, was she so unimportant? mind you his wife's mother is not listed either. I have now sent away for his birth certificate, I don't supose there will be a lot on this, as it will be a OPR, can I ask you where you get your access to census's is it private or is there a website I could go on to, I am interested in getting the 1871 census, as William's father was still living in 1870 when he was married, Thanks again
Mary
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Hi Mary :)
A couple of things to note,
A marriage cert only gives the bride and grooms' fathers' names, not the mothers' names. Also just because a father's name is entered it does not necessarily confirm that he was alive at the time of the marriage.
Birth certs have only been available since civil registration started in 1837, so the birth cert that you have applied for should give you the date and place of birth (sometimes if your lucky, you get an actual address rather than just a place name), child's name, father's name & occupation, mother's name and maiden name.
Does your marriage cert confirm William's father as Joseph?
I'll have a look on the 1871 and see if he's there.
Bee :)
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Hi Mary,
Marriage certs in England just give father's name.
I susbscribe to www.ancestry.co.uk for census info, although I also have some census cds which you can buy. You can get 1881 census free online at www.familysearch.org and www.ancestry.co.uk, some census free at www.freecen.org.uk or you can pay to view some at www.findmypast.com and www.familyhistoryonline.net and for 1901 at www.1901census.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Barbara
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Hi , Thanks again for your quick response, regarding th marriage cert, here in scotland, we are lucky to have both sets of parents listed, also I phoned up to ask about the father, I was told if it didn't mention he was dead, he was most likley still living. here in Scotland, it tells you if the parents are deceased, which is great, it lets you know to go back not forward, I am waiting patiently for the birth cert now. Thanks for the census addresses, I don't mind paying if I know I will find something, its just frustrating if you subscribe and get no where
Thanks again to you both
Mary :)
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Hello,
Looks like Melinda died in 1847 in Leeds.
I think you have the same family as me, Jane Crookes was my ancestor, her father Joseph a shoemaker. George her brother and family were lodging with them in 1881 in Leeds ( 43 St Peter's St).
Ed.
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Hi Edmund, Can you tell me a little more about Jane? when she was born, if you can see the rest of my emails, you will see, that there is a Joseph Crookes married to a Mary and Melinda, I don't know for sure if this is the same Joseph, the line I am following is William Crookes born 1841
Mary
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Hello Mary,
Don't know much about this family as yet, on Jane's marriage cert on 27th Oct 1850 St Peter's Leeds to Henry Wales her age is given as 20, although these aren't always reliable. So would put her birth around 1830. Apart from that all I know is her dad was Joseph a cordwainer, she was living in Bell St, Leeds at time of her marriage. Don't know the name of her mother yet though.
So could be her in the 1841 entry below.
Ed. ???
Hi Edmund, Can you tell me a little more about Jane? when she was born, if you can see the rest of my emails, you will see, that there is a Joseph Crookes married to a Mary and Melinda, I don't know for sure if this is the same Joseph, the line I am following is William Crookes born 1841
Mary
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Hi Ed, This is looking good, William Crookes married a Mary Goulding on the 22nd September 1870, he was living at Royal Oak Yard, his father Joseph (Cordwainer) no mother listed, I am at the moment waiting for his birth cert, hopefully I will get the mothers name. On the 1851 William is listed living at 1 Balls (Bells) yard, no mention of Jane, she was most likely married by this time, have you seen Jane's death certificate, to see the mothers name. do you know if a cordwainer is similar to shoemaker? :) :)
Mary
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Hello, No don't have Jane's death certificate, anyroad they won't tell yer the mother's name unless she is the informant. Only the fathers names are on wedding cert down ere. Jane was married in 1850.
Aye a cordwainer is a shoemaker.
Royal Oak Yard is in which town please?
Ed. ;D
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Hi Ed, I have found Jane & Henry living at 1 Sun St Leeds in the 1861 census, in 1871 they are at 37 Royal Oak Yard Leeds, that answers your question where is Royal Oak Yard, in 1881 they are living 37 St Peters Stree, which you have allready found out, I can't find anything for 1891, but I have found a ref, to a Henry Wales death in 1889 in Leeds aged 62 years , it may be worth checking this
Mary
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Hello, aye both Martha and Frances Crooks were married by 1851 , Frances was living nextdoor to her dad at Balls Yard and it looks like Martha was living at Bell St.
Saw there was a Jane Wales in 1886 and a Henry in 1889, I think Jane was Henry's second wife as there is a reference to another marriage at St Peter's.
Nick. :)
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Hi, I have just received William Crookes birth cert, his mother was Melinda Schofield, I see her listed as dead in 1847, so I am going to send for the cert, and find out her parents names now, Thanks again to everyone who has helped me immensly with this name
Mary
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Aye Melinda Schofield that was her name , it is the same family as my Jane then ;)
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Lilly Crookes was my great grandmother. She was the daughter of William Crookes and Mary Goulding. Any information on the family would be fantastic as I am in Canada and it has been very hard to find information.
Thanks
Karen
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Hi Karen, My apologies or not getting back to you sooner, but I was floored with the Flu, and It had been awhile since I did this tree, I had to dig it out, this is the tree of my Brother in law, It was done a few years ago, I haven't been in touch with him for awhile, so I don't want to give to many personal details as yet, but I can give you some information on Lily, how far have you gone on your research? and what part of the family went to Canada, I am allways pleased to hear from someone following one of my tree's
Mary
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I have Lily's siblings but very little on her parents( only their names) or ancestors. Would you be able to help with those?
Lily's daughter was my grandmother. Her name was Anne, she married my grandfather during WWII and went to Newfoundland, Canada.
I have only just really started looking at my grandmother's family. I have a relative in Scotland who did a simple family tree with names, some birth dates and locations. I am trying to find out more.
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Hi Karen, At last I have the time to sit down, I don't know if this is enough information for you, but I will give you what I have got
William Crooks born 15th May 1841 at 106 Quarry Hill Leeds, married to Mary Goulding on the 22nd September 1870, in the Parish Church in Leeds
Died 17th May 1914 at the Southern General Hospital , 1301 Govan Road Glasgow
Father Joseph Crookes born approx 1806 Leeds married supposedly to Melinda Schofield, I dont' have any details, of marriage or death, but he was still living at the 1851 census in Leeds
Mother Melinda Schofield, born approx 1802, supposedly married to Joseph, she died on the 24th October 1947 at 3 Palleys Galleries Leeds, she was 42years of age, but no parents names registered
Mary Goulding, was born approx 1846 in Cockermouth Cumberland, married in 1870 to William Goulding, she died on the 27th March 1899 at 44 East John Street Glasgow,
FAther John Goulding born approx 1822 in Penrith Cumberland, he was supposdely married to Mary Bell, no records found
Mother Jane Bell, born approx 1824 in Cockermouth Cumberland died 11th March 1905 at Bush Yard Cockermouth Cumberland
I am sending you a pm for my Brother in laws email address
Mary
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Hi, I just wanted to check if you have received my email with the information about Crookes
Mary
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Thank you so very much I have gotten new information and found a lost cousin !!
YEAH!!