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TRURO - Saunders - 1840's :)
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Who are you looking for?
There are a few Saunders born in the 1840's in Truro and on the 1841 census there is a Saunders living in St mary's, Truro and a few living in Kenwyn.
Deb
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Dear Deb
Thank you very much for replying so quickly.
My ancestors were not born in Cornwall but came from St George's and East Stonehouses, and some of their children WERE born in Truro, including GRACE SAUNDERS, a child of about 5 in 1851.
Mr Saunders was a compositor.
By 1861 they had moved to Canterbury, Kent.
I am hoping to find out more about them and whether there are any other family members out there, please.
Thank you very much for your help - I have found some details but hoped to find out particular information such as TREGENZA which was given to my great-uncle as his middle name, and we wondered if there was a family link somewhere.
with best wishes
Imison
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Hi Imison
I have found this marriage that could tie in with your 'Tregenza' name:
Truro, Cornwall
Marriage: William SAUNDERS and on the same page Elizabeth TREGENSER
1st Quarter 1940
vol 9 pg 324
deb
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Hi Imison
I have found this marriage that could tie in with your 'Tregenza' name:
Truro, Cornwall
Marriage: William SAUNDERS and on the same page Elizabeth TREGENSER
1st Quarter 1940
vol 9 pg 324
deb
Dear Deb
That is amazing! THANK YOU SO MUCH!
That would most definitely explain how my ancestors ended in Truro when Mr Saunders married someone who was born in 'St Georges' and he came from East Stonehouses, near Plymouth, Devon.
I have been enquiring and had no joy.
Thank you again.
Where did you find that volume?
with best wishes
Imison
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Hi Imison
That marriage was on Free BMD. If you order the cert, then at least you can find out their father's names and we can search from there.
I have been looking in 1841 and I see William and Elizabeth Saunders with baby Elizabeth(10 months). He is a compositor and they are living in George Street, Kenwyn, truro.
in 1841 there is also this family living in Kenwyn st, Kenwyn:
Saml Tregenza 55 plaster?
Jane " 57
Edith " 20
Charlotte 15
laura 15
another Trgenza family is living in St Mary, Truro.
deb
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Hi Imison
That marriage was on Free BMD. If you order the cert, then at least you can find out their father's names and we can search from there.
I have been looking in 1841 and I see William and Elizabeth Saunders with baby Elizabeth(10 months). He is a compositor and they are living in George Street, Kenwyn, truro.
in 1841 there is also this family living in Kenwyn st, Kenwyn:
Saml Tregenza 55 plaster?
Jane " 57
Edith " 20
Charlotte 15
laura 15
another Trgenza family is living in St Mary, Truro.
Dear Deb
Thank you so much - it does make me wonder then if that was a male relative who was perhaps an uncle or some such?
thank you again
Imison
deb
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Dear Deb
I have just had a thought - I wonder when their 10-month old child was born? If they married in 1840 it makes me think could they have married when their child was 'on the way' as it was a common enough thing to happen in those days?
best wishes
Imison
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Hi
I was also wondering about that and i have notice a transcrepancy in the information as well...
In 1841 Elizabeth is 10 months and it looks like it says "Y" under 'born in county' but in 1851 it states that Elizabeth (Ann) is 10 and was born in Southwark, London......
ummm ... maybe they went to London to have the baby to get away from the scandal ::) :-\
deb
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This may be the birth:
Elizabeth Ann SAUNDERS
3rd quarter 1840
St Saviours, Southwark, London
vol 4 p 448
So William and Elizabeth married 1st Q 1840, Elizabeth Ann b 3rd Q...IF they married in the January of 1840 and Elizabeth Ann was born in Sept 1840.... they could possibly have been married without being pregnant LOL ;D ;)
deb
ummm another thought ....she was 10 months in 1841 census ...so she was most probably born abt July timeframe ,,,,,, oops
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This may be the birth:
Elizabeth Ann SAUNDERS
3rd quarter 1840
St Saviours, Southwark, London
vol 4 p 448
So William and Elizabeth married 1st Q 1840, Elizabeth Ann b 3rd Q...IF they married in the January of 1840 and Elizabeth Ann was born in Sept 1840.... they could possibly have been married without being pregnant LOL ;D ;)
deb
Dear Deb
This is the same child - she is shown as having been born in 'St George's Southwark' in one census I have seen.
How brilliant of you.
Thank you again
Imison
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Imison
Who do you belong to ? LOL
William and Elizabeth had lots of kids ..... are you descendant of Grace or Elizabeth Ann or one of the others ... and who does the Great Uncle with the middle name Tregenza belong to?
deb :)
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Imison
Who do you belong to ? LOL
William and Elizabeth had lots of kids ..... are you descendant of Grace or Elizabeth Ann or one of the others ... and who does the Great Uncle with the middle name Tregenza belong to?
deb :)
Dear Deb
I think it is GRACE who married and was widowed young.
She went on to run a lodging house in Camberwell.
There is a nephew whose surname was 'DUCK' and I wondered if this was a Cornish name as he was born in Cornwall.
thank you again
imison
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my uncle was Walter Tregenza Lane
and he married Ann Bull who had cousins in Canada [names unknown]
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Hi again
You didn't say who you came from LOL
I am enjoying your Saunders people, do you need me to look up anything more.... ?
I found something interesting but obviously am not sure if it relates to your William Saunders b 1819, Stonehouse.
baptism: 14 mar 1819, Devon
William Saunders
parents : Peter and Fanny Saunders
The only reason I am mentioning it , is that William Saunders (b 1819) and elizabeth Tregenza had a daughter named Fanny.
Deb :)
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Hi again
You didn't say who you came from LOL
I am enjoying your Saunders people, do you need me to look up anything more.... ?
I found something interesting but obviously am not sure if it relates to your William Saunders b 1819, Stonehouse.
baptism: 14 mar 1819, Devon
William Saunders
parents : Peter and Fanny Saunders
The only reason I am mentioning it , is that William Saunders (b 1819) and elizabeth Tregenza had a daughter named Fanny.
Deb :)
This is fantastic - you have found the parents of William Saunders.
My parents once took me to Exeter Records Office and we noticed that many of the children were born out of wedlock on account of the parents being unable to afford to marry until their children were several years old.
Perhaps this was similar.
Thank you again - in one of the censuses it has been inaccurately transcribed as him coming from somewhere in SCOTLAND! Yet it is East Stonehouse outside Plymouth, Devon.
I am so grateful.
I wonder if there are any other family now that we know of his parents.
Thank you so much, Deb.
I wonder if there is a 'DUCK' family in Truro as that was supposed to be Grace's nephew.
best wishes
Imison
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hi again
Who was John S Ducks mother? ... Elizabeth Ann, Ellen, Fanny or Mary Ann Saunders....
birth:
1st Q 1881 West Ham , Essex, Greater London
John Saunders DUCK
vol 4a p 16
In 1901 he is with Grace Lane as her nephew but says he was born in Stratford, London. Which census did you see that he was born in Cornwall?
deb
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hi again
Who was John S Ducks mother? ... Elizabeth Ann, Ellen, Fanny or Mary Ann Saunders....
birth:
1st Q 1881 West Ham , Essex, Greater London
John Saunders DUCK
vol 4a p 16
In 1901 he is with Grace Lane as her nephew but says he was born in Stratford, London. Which census did you see that he was born in Cornwall?
deb
now you really ARE asking!
two of them were still single and living with their father, William Saunders who was a widower and living, I think, in that area. He was still a compositor. One of his two daughters was a baby gown maker. Being handy was a family trait.
I think Ellen and Fanny were the two living with him.
However at the next census, one of them married and had a son who became a naval captain, but I do not know anything more than that, and that she turned up at her neice's wedding in 1921 in Southwark.
I do not think this was the DUCK. So, I think it more likely that it was either Elizabeth Ann or Mary Ann.
I know that the family must have moved by 1861 because the enumerator finds them in Canterbury, Kent, much closer to London and Southwark, and West Ham, Essex.
Grace Saunders married, I think a Henry Lane who hailed from Ridlington??? Hall in Norfolk where I think he was a carpenter or such like - I am hazy on these details as I am trying to read the words on the censuses. The reason for his death was a tragic road accident, and the eldest son then had to find work aged 12, to help keep his mother and family.
William Lane was the boy, and he went into the Post Office.
I cannot find the details of his WIFE though, as her details and her parents' details have hitherto been impossible to ascertain.
The family story was that their surname was changed from the Welsh name Vaughan/Vaughn to MORRIS and that they came to London.
The man was the son of a Welsh lord but his father did not like the girl he wanted to marry so cut him off without a penny. The pair left Wales to come to live in London, and their daughter, EMMA MORRIS, married William Lane. I do not know ANYTHING AT ALL ABOUT EMMA MORRIS'S parents but I do know that she was an only child.
I am so grateful to you
best wishes
Imison
If you
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a very big THANK YOU to Deb - a handmade graphic of my sincere thanks
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Hi
I love the graphic!!!! :o
I have been looking for John S DUCK b abt 1880, nephew of Grace Lane nee Saunders and cannot find him anywhere in 1881 or 1891. Maybe the only thing to do is to order his birth cert (info on previous post), which will then give us his parents names.
Regarding William Lane and Emma L Morris....
1891;
William H LANE head mar 21 telegraphist b Brixton surrey
Emma L LANE wife mar 25 b Kent, Woolwich b abt 1866
Alice E LANE dau 3 b Southwark , London
Denny? A C LANE 6 months b Camberwell, London
I looked for an Emma L Morris b abt 1866 in Woolwich , kent.
1871:
Cumberland St, Christchurch London
Walter V Morris head mar 40 Carpenter joiner b Hampshire
louisa E Morris wife mar 40 b Woolwich Kent
Emma L Morris 11 scholar b " "
the only thing is that Emma 's DOB is off !!! why i posted this is that Walter's middle intial is " V '..... maybe VAUGHN LOL ...okay , I know ...I am clutching at straws here. ::)
I also cannot find the marriage between william lane and emma morris ... ???
Deb
just reread your post .... ummm ...emma's parents were from Wales ...so my above info must be wrong , unless they changed their names and Place of birth ....
sorry about that :-[
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Hi
I love the graphic!!!! :o
I have been looking for John S DUCK b abt 1880, nephew of Grace Lane nee Saunders and cannot find him anywhere in 1881 or 1891. Maybe the only thing to do is to order his birth cert (info on previous post), which will then give us his parents names.
Regarding William Lane and Emma L Morris....
1891;
William H LANE head mar 21 telegraphist b Brixton surrey
Emma L LANE wife mar 25 b Kent, Woolwich b abt 1866
Alice E LANE dau 3 b Southwark , London
Denny? A C LANE 6 months b Camberwell, London
I looked for an Emma L Morris b abt 1866 in Woolwich , kent.
1871:
Cumberland St, Christchurch London
Walter V Morris head mar 40 Carpenter joiner b Hampshire
louisa E Morris wife mar 40 b Woolwich Kent
Emma L Morris 11 scholar b " "
the only thing is that Emma 's DOB is off !!! why i posted this is that Walter's middle intial is " V '..... maybe VAUGHN LOL ...okay , I know ...I am clutching at straws here. ::)
I also cannot find the marriage between william lane and emma morris ... ???
Deb
Dear Deb
I am so glad you like the graphic - I just hope that it is all right by the moderators - you had best download it fast in case it is against any rules! I couldn't see anything against it but they might say it is rather a big 'smiley'! but then it is a BIG 'thank you' indeed.
Like you I have come against a 'virtual' brick wall.
I know that the Welsh family were lords of some kind. As far as the family story goes the girl was regarded by the family as unacceptable.
That is why there was a name change.
HOWEVER, according to the way the gentry and lords had their names, there is always the possibility that whilst the name LORD VAUGHAN/VAUGHN was the title, the actual FAMILY name was MORRIS.
Having considered that possibility I then started looking in the landed gentry but I have to admit I have not checked debretts peerage as I do not know if they were nobility or not. However, there was a family of VAUGHAN who lived in mid-Wales who had a large estate and it is now part of the forestry commission in Wales. I like to think that my ancestors were the kindly folk who helped others, but I also hate to think that any ancestor could be so spiteful as to cut off his son from his inheritance for falling in love with a girl.
That is the sadness of it.
I simply know that my grandmother's mother was EMMA MORRIS and from the census it would seem that her husband was very young when he married.
Having been spurred on by you, I now can answer one of the questions you posed me yesterday:
Elizabeth Saunders remained with her father - and in 1891 was living with him in 36, Grove Lane, Dulwich, Camberwell. As well as her, I then looked below, and lo and behold, there are two more of his daughters - Grace Lane, and her sons, Albert and Charles, but also Ellen, married to Herbert SLOMAN, and their son, JOHN SLOMAN. Herbert Sloman is able seaman, and as I know that her son was supposed to have been a 'sea captain', this would all fit.
That means that Fanny and Mary are the only ones left who could have been married to someone called Mr Duck.
I hope you follow my reasoning - lol!
The children you found included HENRY Lane - he died in 1915, sunk in a naval encounter in the war.
Such tragedy - and I can only pray that he did not suffer.
So I can empathise with those of the Titanic, as my great- grandmother was convinced she heard his voice calling her. Three days later she was out walking with my grandmother and saw the newsboards and it showed her son's ship had been sunk with all hands lost. She fainted. Her husband's hair turned completely white in 3 weeks.
And to remember that millions of families were affected thus all around the world twice in the 20th century.
Lest we forget.
imison
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hi Imison
I have been searching for the elusive DUCKS ..to no avail. It seems that neither Fanny Saunders (b 1846, Truro) or Mary Ann Saunders (b 1851, truro) married a Mr. Duck.
In 1871:
we have William and Elizabeth Saunders with all their children living in Lambeth..... Elizabeth 30, Ellen 28, Fanny 24, william 22 (a decorator), Mary Ann 20.
Elizabeth , the eldest, stays with her dad and seems to stay single, Ellen goes onto marry Mr Herbert Sloman and Grace marries Henry Lane.
I could not find Fanny or Mary ann after the 1871 census. I did, hower find these 2 deaths both in Lambeth, greater London, london Surrey:
Fanny SAUNDERS b abt 1846 died Dec quarter 1873
Mary Ann SAUNDERS b abt 1851 died dec quarter 1874
William , the decorator, is living in Newington, Lambeth as a decoratorin the 1881 census. ( he has been enumerated as william SAUNDER). I cannot find him after the 1881 census.
a possible death:
William SAUNDERS b abt 1849
died sept quarter 1884 camberwell London
I Cannot find any association between the Saunders family and a Duck family .... I was thinking that JOhn was possible a relation on the Lane side of the family ie : a nephew of Henry Lane and therefore a nephew of Grace Lane nee Saunders..... but John Duck's middle name is SAUNDERS so it has to be on Grace's side of the family... I am stumped :(
will keep checking
Deb
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Curiouser and curiouser, said Alice!
Thank you so much for taking such an interest in my relatives - you are most kind.
The DUCK angle is a mystery. I suppose it is possible that it might be a GREAT-NEPHEW? But from whom I do not know, unless Grace Lane's father, Mr William Saunders, perhaps had a sibling and that one of their putative children had a child called William Saunders Duck, so that we are possibly looking for A BROTHER for William Saunders, who then married and maybe he is descended from him.
I know this would make him a cousin rather than a nephew but I did call my elderly cousins Aunty and Uncle!
So it is in keeping perhaps and I just offer this as a possibility.
As for the other aspect of the MORRIS:
the Commonwealth War Graves Commission has details of Henry AC Lane and his death, but it does not give his parents' ages, only his - age 24, died 1 January 1915.
What certainly stumps me is that Emma Morris's father is shown as being born in Portsmouth area as that is nowhere near Wales, but in southern England!
I just wonder if there was a mystery there that they took great care to cover up.
thank you again, Deb
best wishes
imison
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hi again
i have just had a thought.....
Herbert O Sloman and Ellen Sloman nee Saunders had a son who is with them in 1891 , they are all living with William Saunders and grace Lane....
Herbert and Ellen Sloman's son was called John , 10, b abt 1881 in WEST HAM , ESSEX ...this is the right age and place of Birth ... i wonder if ellen was married before.....
birth:
1st Q 1881 West Ham , Essex, Greater London
John Saunders DUCK
vol 4a p 16
deb :)
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hi again
i have just had a thought.....
Herbert O Sloman and Ellen Sloman nee Saunders had a son who is with them in 1891 , they are all living with William Saunders and grace Lane....
Herbert and Ellen Sloman's son was called John , 10, b abt 1881 in WEST HAM , ESSEX ...this is the right age and place of Birth ... i wonder if ellen was married before.....
birth:
1st Q 1881 West Ham , Essex, Greater London
John Saunders DUCK
vol 4a p 16
deb :)
Dear Deb
that is very good thinking - so I will need to see if there is anyone married by that name then?
There is only one slight problem with that - in the 1881 census it has both the unmarried daughters of William Saunders - Ellen and Elizabeth with him.
But I might be wrong -
best wishes
imison
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in 1891;
Camberwell
Herbert SLOWMAN head mar 53 seaman b norfolk
Ellen SLOWMAN wife mar 52 b truro Cornwall
Looked for their son John SLOMAN (b 1880 in West Ham Essex) ... nothing ...so maybe he is the nephew living with Grace Lane nee Saunders who is also living in Camberwell in 1901,
what do you think ?
Deb
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in 1891;
Camberwell
Herbert SLOWMAN head mar 53 seaman b norfolk
Ellen SLOWMAN wife mar 52 b truro Cornwall
Looked for their son John SLOMAN (b 1880 in West Ham Essex) ... nothing ...so maybe he is the nephew living with Grace Lane nee Saunders who is also living in Camberwell in 1901,
what do you think ?
Deb
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in 1891;
Camberwell
Herbert SLOWMAN head mar 53 seaman b norfolk
Ellen SLOWMAN wife mar 52 b truro Cornwall
Looked for their son John SLOMAN (b 1880 in West Ham Essex) ... nothing ...so maybe he is the nephew living with Grace Lane nee Saunders who is also living in Camberwell in 1901,
what do you think ?
Deb
How strange - and the name has been altered to add a 'w' - SLOWMAN
not that that means anything as there are so many misspellings in the censuses, not to mention the people deciphering the handwriting for the official lists for Ancestry.
If John Saunders Duck is the same as John Slo[w]man I wonder how that came about?
That is a mystery and I wonder if perhaps John Sloman/Slowman is at sea, following his father into the navy/merchant navy as he is the son who is supposed to have been a 'sea captain'.
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Yes, Ellen was with her sister, Elizabeth and her dad , William in 1881 ... maybe she was pregnant with john S duck .... Blimey I have run out of ideas .... the only one left is that John S Duck was a great nephew of Grace Lane nee Saunders ...... ::) :( :-X :-\
deb
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Dear Deb
I think there is a real problem with the name Sloman and Slowman.
Also their ages.
In 1891, Ellen and Herbert are given one set of ages, but 10 years later they are NOT 10 years older.
Yet it seems very strange that there is a HERBERT SLOWMAN an able seaman, from Yarmouth, and an ELLEN SLOWMAN who comes from Truro. Surely they are the same people.
I just think it might be the vagaries of the enumerators - maybe I will have to go to the BMD to see if there is a Herbert Slo/w]man marrying Ellen Saunders.
Because in the 1881 census, Ellen is 38 isn't she?
Which would make her 58 in 1901?
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Dear Deb
What fascinates me and makes me think that the enumerator got the names and ages WRONG in 1901 is that the HERBERT AND ELLEN SLOWMAN family unit are living just up the ROAD in Grove Lane, Dulwich, Camberwell, parish of St Giles as Grace Lane.
I cannot believe that this is coincidental
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Imison
You are right about the ages being all up the pole ....lol ..I rechecked and on the 1901 census ...Ellen Slowman is def 52... maybe she forgot how old she was .... ::)
The fact that we have a married couple with the correct forenames and surname (albeit incorrectly spelled) , the correct Place of birth for both and the correct occupation for Herbert.... I am thinking , that this is the parents of John....
deb
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Yes, I wonder if the enumerator wrote it down wrongly maybe from inaccurate information!
I have found a HERBERT SLOMAN aged 3 in Great Yarmouth Norfolk in 1851. Unfortunately the source has been typed as YAMMOUTH but it is YARMOUTH.
This would be the SAME Herbert Sloman / Slowman as in 1901. But if the enumerator can spell their name incorrectly - either in 1851, 1891 or 1901, then what else can be incorrect perhaps?
Maybe it was an 'off day' or just misheard it!
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;D
What i was thinking earlier is that John S Duck is actually John Slo(w)man and he is visiting his aunty Grace up the road during the 1901 census ...
The fact that John Sloman and John Duck are the same age and born on the same place ...makes me wonder ....
Also I searched the 1901 census for a John SLO(W)MAN ...on vessels or in the Navy ...and came up empty ....
Another thing .... I CANNOT find John S DUCK in 1891.... where is he????????
John s Duck only appears on the 1901 census with aunty Grace and on Free BMD... there is no other info on him.
any suggestions LOL
Deb
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And of course, if the SAME enumerator was not thinking straight on the day - who knows what was wrong in that road! It makes one wonder how much can be relied upon - maybe the person simply was unable to concentrate.
John S Duck
John Saunders Duck Nephew
John Sloman
so very strange - and I am sure it is NOT Slowman but SLOMAN as the Sloman family are in 1851 and in Great Yarmouth, all living together, with their 3 year old Herbert Sloman.
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Imison
I really wouldn't worry about the misspelling of Sloman/Slowman.... i had a person in my family who was an Amelia KNORRITON on the marriage cert ...turned out her name was actually CARNATON ... they were from Cornwall .... and what can I say about the Cornish accent except that I love it ...but many people cannot understand it ....
deb ;D
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that makes me laugh out loud!cc
maybe that's why the enumerator got the name wrong - he couldn't understand all the various regional dialects/accents and just wrote what he thought he had heard! lol!
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Imison
If you want a really good read to get away from your SAUNDERS/TREGENZA/LANE/SLOMAN peeps go to the "Cornish Mystery" just above your post .... talk about fascinating stuff !!
Okay back to your Saunders peeps .... and their descendants..... in 1881 census ther are a few Saunders born around the age of william SAUNDERS (b 1819) born in Stonehouse ...
Thomas S saunders b 1822 Stonehouse
James Saunders b 1826 East Stonehouse
By the way if I were you I would order John S DUCK's birth cert .... maybe worth the money ...just to put his parentage at rest.!!!!
Deb
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Dear Deb
Thank you again for all your research - magnificent.
What I shall probably end up doing is to work out which certificates I need to buy by drawing up my most up-to-date tree and find out which people's certificates will yield the most information. As it could give parentage to many people, not just JOHN SAUNDERS DUCK.
However, there is one problem that some of the documents have been lost if there is Irish parentage, and I know that some of my ancestry is Irish.....
best wishes
imison
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I have just been looking up the message boards on Ancestry.co.uk and found that there is a family called TREGENZA.
Also, there is a large number of people in Devon with the name SAUNDERS.
One person has said that there might be connections with the SANDERS families as SAUNDERS and SANDERS are pronounced much the same, so when a GERMAN person came over his name was anglicised.
I hope this makes sense.
It just makes searching very much more complicated though.
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Hallo
I am researching the Saunders/Duck tree for my friend Brenda Duck, her Grandfather was John Saunders Duck 1880, he lived with auntie Grace on the 1901 census and was in the Army as a married man, he married Ellen Florence Bennett. I also can't find him on the 1881 or 1891 census! He died in Wandsworth, London, can you help with any info at all? I have his birth certificate which shows he was born in Bethnal green area on 26th Dec 1880 but not registered until early 1881, his father was John Duck, (Plumber) and his mother was Ellen Duck nee Saunders, I am assuming sister of Grace, I can find no marriage cert of his parents. The Saunders I believe moved to London from Truro.
Regards Jo Chapman
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Dear Deb
Thank you again for all your research - magnificent.
What I shall probably end up doing is to work out which certificates I need to buy by drawing up my most up-to-date tree and find out which people's certificates will yield the most information. As it could give parentage to many people, not just JOHN SAUNDERS DUCK.
However, there is one problem that some of the documents have been lost if there is Irish parentage, and I know that some of my ancestry is Irish.....
best wishes
imison
I HAVE JOHN SAUNDERS DUCK'S BIRTH
CERTIFICATE! - CONTACT ME JOAN CHAPMAN ON THIS SITE
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Hallo
I am researching the Saunders/Duck tree for my friend Brenda Duck, her Grandfather was John Saunders Duck 1880, he lived with auntie Grace on the 1901 census and was in the Army as a married man, he married Ellen Florence Bennett. I also can't find him on the 1881 or 1891 census! He died in Wandsworth, London, can you help with any info at all? I have his birth certificate which shows he was born in Bethnal green area on 26th Dec 1880 but not registered until early 1881, his father was John Duck, (Plumber) and his mother was Ellen Duck nee Saunders, I am assuming sister of Grace, I can find no marriage cert of his parents. The Saunders I believe moved to London from Truro.
Regards Jo Chapman
Dear Joan
I am very intigued about John Duck's birth certificate.
What precisely does it say about him?
I see that he was born on 26 December 1880 and that his father was a plumber.
Ellen and Grace were definitely sisters.
Their parents were the Saunders in the Truro census of 1840.
I know that the Saunders migrated to Kent and turn up there in about 1861.
Ellen was supposed to have been married to a sea captain and I know she was alive in 1921.
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Hi again
I've just remembered that Ellens father William was also a Compositor as was John Saunders Duck!.
I hope we can more about him.
Regards
Jo
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Hi again
I've just remembered that Ellens father William was also a Compositor as was John Saunders Duck!.
I hope we can more about him.
Regards
Jo
Hello again, Jo,
I am very interested about this new lead.
I take it to mean then that William Saunders Compositor possibly met the Compositor Mr Duck, and that he then allowed his daughter Ellen to marry Mr Duck? And that these are the two grandfathers of John Saunders Duck?
So, the plumber was the Mr John Duck who married Ellen Saunders. But both she and her new husband were the children of the compositors Mr William Saunders and Mr ....? Duck. What was John Saunders Duck's grandfather Duck's name? And that of his grandmother Duck? Do you have the ancestors of the Duck family as I am intrigued to find out more about these people please.
And what happened to John Saunders Duck? Who were his children as they would be the relations of Auntie Grace Lane of Camberwell, too?
I know that Ellen was alive in 1921. She was about 70 at the time.
I understand that John was her only child.
With best wishes
imison
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Hallo again
Sorry to confuse you I didn't expain very well.
William was John Saunders Duck's grandfather! Ellen & Grace's dad! he was the Compositor and would probably have been the influence on John to go into the same trade, they were living at the same house in 1891 when John was called Sloman and only 11 years old.
The Duck side is unknow apart from the info on the birth cert John Duck (Plumber) there are so many and it does not give his age or where he came from.
Are you a member of Ancestry? I can Email a copy of the cert to you if you give me your Email address? Where do you live? I am in Sutton, Surrey.
Did you get a chance to look at the Jennifer Dancy site yet? I also got an Email from a Jennifer Tregenza, which was the maiden name of Williams wife Elizabeth! John's Grandparents.
Regards
Jo
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Hi
I have had to reread this thread and now I think I am caught up again!
I have just found Ellen's marriage to Herbert SLOMAN
details:
Camberwell
3 December 1887
Herbert Octavius SLOMAN ,39, bachelor, mariner. 10 Benhill Rd, father : Charles Sloman, printer
marries by Licence
Nelly Saunders, 39, SPINSTER, 37 Vicarage Rd, father: WILLIAM SAUNDERS, PRINTER
both sign their names
witnesses:
William Saunders
Elizabeth Saunders
deb :)
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Hi again
I have been going through John Duck's Military service record (quite a long one with many pages. His res. is 66 Grove Lane and he is a Bomber) and see that his wife is FLORENCE MABEL BENNETT.
They were married 9 Feb 190? at the Camberwell register Office
witnesses:
Beatrice M Bennett
Alfred Hudson
The date of marriage is 1900 but that has been crossed out and 1901 is written in underneath.
it also names his 7 children and their POB and DOB (including John Alfred Charles Duck 1906, I see he is on your family tree)
the only marriage I can see is
John HINTON Duck = Florence Mabel BENNETT
Mar q 1901 Camberwell
:-\
Jo, does your friend have John S Duck's marriage cert? If so what are the details?
deb
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Now this is stange;
in 1901 in Clapham London we find the Bennett family with a married dau aged 20
Robt Bennett, 46 Smith/wheelwright ...I wonder if he is Thomas Reuben Bennett?
Julia wife 39
John DUCK 20 married daughter :-\
Beatrice Bennett 19 ...I assume she was the witness to John Duck's marriage to her sister Florence
Fredk 16
Lilian 14
Robert 12
Rose 9
Ethel 5
Ernest 2
all born London
everyone adds up here according to the tree on ancestry.
deb