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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) => Topic started by: Woodentop50 on Friday 26 January 07 19:13 GMT (UK)
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Can anyone help me with the following family ?
They originally came from Knottingley then moved to the Hunslet area of Leeds.
Any information would be handy , especially if there are any relations out there !
Thomas b.1839 Knottingley m. Mary Ann ?
Edward b.1859 Knottingley
James Thomas b.1860 Knottingley
John b.1862 Knottingley
Jack Wood b.1863 Knottingley
William b.1866 Knottingley
Eliz A. b.1867 Knottingley
Ada b.1870 Knottingley
Mary H. b.1873 Leeds
Florence b.1874 Leeds
Sam b.1875 Leeds
Horace b.1879 Leeds
Miranda b.1880 Leeds
Joseph b.1884 Leeds
Thanks in advance
Jim
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Hi Jim
No relation but came across this which looks like the marriage of Thomas and Mary Ann.
DATE: 25 October 1858 by Banns
PARISH: Knottingley
GROOM: Thomas Wood, bachelor of full age
BRIDE: Mary Ann Thompson, spinster of full age.
Both of the parish.
PLACE: Pontefract St Giles
Hope this helps a little.
Sheila
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1891
Thomas Wood 55 gas stoker b Knottingley
Mary A 55 wife ditto
Eliza A 24 dau b Thorpe Yorks
Mary H 20 dau machine hand b Leeds
Florence 17 dau b Leeds
Sam 16 son engine makers ap b ditto
Horace 12 son ditto
Miranda 9 b ditto
Joseph 7 son b ditto
Claudius 2 gr son b ditto
address 2 Mario Square Hunslet Leeds
RG12 3666 fol 12 p19
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1901
Thomas Wood 63 fireman gas works
Mary H 62 wife
Horace 23 cartman corn
Joseph 16
Claudiss 12 gr son
address 8 Creskell Street Holbeck Leeds
RG13 4202 fol 159 p26
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1861
Thomas Wood 22 lime quarrier
Mary Ann 22 wife
Edward 2
James T 7mths
address Green Knottingley
RG9 3433 fol 120 p8
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ISOBELRUSS :
Sorry , I should of mentioned , I already have access to the Census , but thank you for the effort.
SheliaM
Thank you for your reply , that is the banns for the Marriage certificate that I just received.
Any more like that in Knottingley ?
Would be well appreciated :)
Jim
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1901
Thomas Stones 28 jobbing gardener b Holbesck
Miranda 22 wife b Hunslet
Amy 1mth dau b Holbeck
11 Danby Square Holbeck
RG13 4202 fol 123 p 34
Marriage
Thomas Westerman Stones
Miranda Wood
Dec qu 1897 Leeds 9b 689
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Hi Jim/Isobel
In view of the 1861 details could this be the baptism of Thomas? I say this solely because of Thomas' occupation in 1861.
BAPTISM
25 September 1836 - St Botolph, Knottingley
Thomas - Father John occ Limeburner - Mother Mary
There is another baptism 28 May 1837 at the same church. Father George occ Waterman, Mother Ann.
Sheila
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Sheila,
I have seen both of these names on the 1841 census , but I dont know which one to try for. I have just received Thomas's marriage certificate and there isn't a father's name on there >:(
It's a good point what you have said about the quarry though !
BUT
If his father was a waterman , would that mean just up and down the river Aire or off at sea , I wonder.
Jim
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Jim
It's a difficult one. I looked at the 1851 for both families. The children of John and Ann included William, John and James, all names Thomas used for his children.
I don't know much about Watermen but I would imagine they worked on the canals. Usually if the are at sea it says Mariner or Seaman.
Not enough proof I know. Will have another look at the other Thomas and hopefully he will have followed in his fathers footsteps and become a Waterman.
Sheila
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Just had a quick look and Thomas son of John/Mary is still at home in 1861 aged 24 and a farm labourer. This would discount them as his parents as your Thomas is married in 1858.
Sheila
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Jim
Is there an address on the marriage certificate? Also names of witnesses.
Sheila
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No,
Very little info on it :
Thomas Wood married Mary Ann Thompson
both full age
he is a labourer
her Father is Thomas Thompson (gardener)
neither could write their names
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Jim
On 1851 census there are 3 Thomas Wood's all born Knottingley. 2 in 1837 and 1 1841.
Parents are:
Born 1837 - George & Ann
Born 1837 - John & Mary
Born 1841 - George & Mary
Have checked them in 1861 and found the sons of George/Mary and John/Mary still at home and unmarried.
There is no Thomas in the household of George & Ann in 1861. Could these be the parents of your Thomas seeing he was married in 1858.
If you have access to census could you please check over my findings and hopefully you will come to the same conclusion.
Sheila
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Sheila ,
I do believe you have sorted it , I think I was looking at too much and missing what was under my nose.
That has given me quite a few more names to play with.
I guess , my next step is finding somebody with parish registers ! :(
thanks again
Jim
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Well, if nothing else you now know who aren't his parents.
Have you tried this site, it looks as though it may be of some help to you.
http://www.pontefractfhs.org.uk/
Also if you google Knottingley Parish Registers there are quite a few sites which may be of interest to you.
Sheila
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I guess , my next step is finding somebody with parish registers ! :(
Hi Jim,
If you're interested, I have the indexes to some of the parish records for Knottingley St Botolph for the following dates:
Baptism 1804 - 1921
Marriages 1789 - 1837
Burials 1804 - 1859
& MI's
I also have Pontefract St Giles Marriage Indexes for 1671 - 1837.
Let me know if I can look anything up for you,
Sally :)
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Hi Sally, Jim et al :)
I am going to jump in here (hompefully not too cheekily) as Thomas son of John and Mary is *mine* ;D
Not an obvious link but maybe there somewhere.
Sally, I was hoping that you wouldn't mind looking up my Knottingley *Woods* in the regisiters that you have? I believe that they were St Boltoph! I dont know which would be easier for you but if I just list whom I have you can pick / choose :D
John Wood c1815 Knottingley (death between 1861 & 1871. Last known Aire St)
Mary Peel c1815 Beal (death after 1871)
Married 1834 - My 3xGreat Grandparents
Joseph Wood c1852 Knottingley (death after 1901)
Eliza Fozzard c1857 Knottingley (death after 1901)
Married 1877 - My 2xGreat Grandparents
William Wood c1879 Knottingley (death unknown)
Florence Winterbottom c 1882 Castleford (death unknown)
Married 1901 - My Great Grandparents
John 18th October 1902 Knottingley (death 1977)
My Granddad
Sheila, I am now going to check out your link and *google* ;) Thats my early night gont for a burton!!!
Thank you in advance for any help and/or guidence :)
Kindest Regards
Jo
:)
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Hi Jo,
Not cheeky at all! Feel free to join in.
As it happens, I transcribed all the "Wood" entries for Jim, so it would be no problem to forward them to you, too.
If you pm me your e-mail address I'll send them straight away. I listed them chronologically, using Excel, so if you have Excel you should have no problems with them.
When I get a minute I'll look for the other surnames you mention, but it could be later on this evening, after the home from work/school rush is over. ;D
Be back soon,
Sally
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Hi Jo
Could this be one of yours?
BAPTISM
16 March 1857, Eliza Fozzard
Father James, occupation Lime Burner
Mother Ann
Abode Knottingley
Knottingley Christ Church
Regards ... Sheila
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And Joseph
BAPTISM
9 November 1851, Joseph Wood
Father John, occupation Limeburner
Mother Mary
Knottingley, St Botolph
Sheila
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MARRIAGE
17 March 1834
John Wood OTP - Mary Peel OTP
By Banns
Pontefract St Giles
Sheila
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BAPTISMS
15 April 1814, John Wood
Father Thomas, occupation Labourer
Mother Sarah
Knottingly St Botolph
17 April 1814, John Wood
Father William, occupation Carpenter
Mother Martha
Knottingley St Botolph
2 March 1813, John Wood
Father James, occupation Linen Draper
Mother Mary
Pontefract St Giles
Sheila
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Hi Jo,
My happy lot,
Herbert Wood (Hunslet) b.1911 Father
William Wood (Knottingley) b.1865 Gr.Father
Thomas Wood (Knottingley) b.1839 Gr.Gr.Father.
I will send you the lists that SallyB refered to.
Jim
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TigTag (Jo)
I also notice that you have Shaw in your lineage , my grandfather William married Susannah Shaw , she was born circa 1875 in Hull, Her father was also a William.......any link ?
and
I should have read the earlier message properly from SallyF , so I don't need to send you the files :-\
Jim
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;D WOW ;D
I'm overwhelmed by your responses - thank you so much :)
Sally, again, thank you - I will pm you once I have sent this and yes, I have excel :)
Sheila, thank you to you too :) - here's what I think:
Eliza Fozzard - most definitly mine
Joseph Wood - I'm not too sure about this one, the parents are right but I only have his father (John) as a labourer in the census returns. I have siblings of;
William c1835
Thomas c1837
John c1840
James c1842
Mary c1849
Robert c1855
if that helps to prove anything further!
Thank you for the marriage details of John Wood and Mary Peel :) What does OTP mean? Is there any further info, ie dads?
The baptism of John Wood is too close to call :( I have no further details back!! How would I go about working out which one is mine?
Jim, I wonder if there is a cousin link? Maybe Wood is just to *common* to assume so but who knows!!
My Shaws are:
Rose Hannah, Goole 1855 (GGgrandma)
George 1830, Lincolnshire (GGGgrandad)
William c1800, Not Known (GGGGgrandad)
Thank you all again :)
Jo
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BAPTISM
16 March 1857, Eliza Fozzard
Father James, occupation Lime Burner
Mother Ann
Abode Knottingley
Knottingley Christ Church
Really glad you found this Sheila, I was starting to get worried. There are several references to Fozzard in the St Botolph records, but I hadn't found Eliza.
I had the same problem with Jim's Wood's, plenty of references at St Botolph's, just none of them his...... :'( Perhaps Christ Church records might be where they're hiding.
Jo, if you need anything else looking for, just give me a shout. If you want what records there are for the Fozzards etc, I'd be happy to list them for you.
Sally :D
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Hi Jo
OTP = of this parish. They were both resident in the parish at the time of their marriage. Sorry no fathers names mentioned.
I found these baptisms on IGI. All have parents John Wood/Mary and all were baptised at Knottingley.
William 29 June 1834
Thomas 26 Sept 1836
John 9 June 1839
James 24 October 1841
Mary 24 Dec 1848
Joseph 9 Nov 1851
Robert 2 July 1854
As for the John Wood's baptisms it's difficult to say. Do you have any occupations for his sons eg carpenter/linen draper. Maybe one of them followed the same trade ???
EDIT - Sorry forget that, I'm getting muddled. You don't have his sons do you?
Good luck.
Sheila
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Hello Jim,
I've joined Rootschat today to reply to your posting. My name is Mike, age 58, I live in Barrow-in-Furness, Cumbria. I am a relative of sorts, being descended from the SHAW family that 'William WOOD born 1866' married into.
This month I have gently picked-up my familytree research after a couple of years break. I have always let the tree spread through all the in-laws and out-laws as far as I have been able.
Regarding this WOOD family, I too have been stonewalled by the parentage of Thomas & Mary Ann, which was made difficult by not knowing Mary Ann's maiden name.
Surprisingly, just a few days ago I got a tip that originated direct from a family member. Apparently this elderly lady had said that the THOMPSON surname appears frequently in the WOOD's ancestry. This gave me the idea of searching on the long-shot that Mary Ann's maiden name was THOMPSON, to see if anything turned up. I used the LDS On-line Website to search on the names MARY ANN THOMPSON & THOMAS WOOD in the IGI. The only couple that I found with the correct names also fitted perfectly in every respect (right time, right place) to be 'our' Thomas & Mary. The couple were married on the 25th of October 1858 at Pontefract, Yorkshire. Also, in the IGI the father of this Mary was said to be Thomas Thompson.
I don't have good access to the census records, so it was great to see that others had responded to your Rootschat Posting by homing-in on the same marriage but via different routes.
Needless to say, I would be very grateful to receive any news about the quest for proof that this is our Thomas & Mary Ann.
I hope you don't mind me asking, but when I re-read your list of family members (above), a couple of questions sprang to mind;
1) Where did you find the middle name of 'Thomas' for James Thomas WOOD ?
2) Are you sure that the middle initial of Mary H. WOOD is 'H', or could it be 'A'?
Looking at my familytree I have done a quick head count of people I know-of that descend directly from this 'Thomas & Mary Ann' family. 31 people. I would be more than pleased to share my findings with you.
If, like mine, your familytree interests spread far and wide rather than just concentrating on one name or pure blood-lines, I will share all I know.
Best Wishes,
Mike
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Hello again Mike,
Okay you kept me awake a bit longer , ;D
It is nice to finally find another contact related to my lot , on my family , we have hundreds of names , but me , I don't even know what my grandfather looked like :-\
I do have a photo of Susannah Shaw taken in the 50's (she died about '58) and thats about it.
James Thomas Wood , I think I got from the Ancestry.com
I shall look through my certificates to see what other info I have.
Do you know much about the Thompsons ?
I was told some years ago , that we were related to the sheriff / gunfighter Ben Thompson , but as far as I can see , there is no proof of this.
There was one guy on here , who left a posting , that said he new all of the family that I knew , except he was looking for the Taylor family. I have sent him several messages , but he hasn't been on here since over a year ago.
Any questions you want to ask , just type away and I will see what I can come up with.
Jim