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Hi all,
Could someone please look at the above for me to find James Colley Born abt 1830 Tibberton Worcester, Father Edward, in 1861 should be married to Mary.
His occupation was Agricultural Labourer.
Many Thanks
DTR
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Mm, don't know about this one
Droitwich/Claines/Tibberton
Piece 2046; fol 062
Sch 13;Fordraft
James Merrell,head,W,43,ag labourer,Tibberton,WOR
Henry Merrell,son,7,scholar,Tibberton,WOR
James Merrell,visitor,u,17,ag labourer,NK,WOR
James Colley,visitor,u,20,ag labourer,Tibberton,WOR
Sch 14
Elizabeth Colley,head,W,48,glove maker,Tibberton,WOR
William Colley,son,m,27,ag labourer,Tibberton,WOR
Eliza Colley,dau in law,m,24,Glove maker,Hindlip,WOR
Christopher Colley,son in law,2,Claines,WOR
Hariet Colley,dau in law,1m,Tibberton,WOR
Elizabeth Colley,dau,u,16,glove maker,Tibberton,WOR
Elizabeth Merrell,visitor,u,10,glove maker,Tibberton,WOR
There is also this one
Droitwich/Claines/Tibberton
Piece 2046; fol 068
Sch 61;Old House Farm
Joseph Featherstone,head,m,59,farmer,All Saints,WOR,250 acres empl 6 labourers
+ Wife and kids
James Colley,servant,u,20,farm servant,Tibberton,WOR
Christopher Colley,servant,u,13,farm servant,Tibberton,WOR
Probably not as much help as you hoped ???
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Brilliant, Thank you very much , James and Christopher at Sch 61 were brothers, the family at Sch14 with Elizabeth at the head are the rest of the family I have been looking for ,you have found 2 new people for me son William and daughter Elizabeth.
Not sure about Christopher and Harriet though in Sch14, age 2 & 1m son in law and daughter in law?
I have Elizabeth Colley (nee Davis) marriage details to Edward Colley 1-3-1824 Tibberton Worcester any ideas how I can get the details?
Thanks again.
DTR
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I should think you would need the Parish Registers for that . I don't know where you are but this site should point you in the right direction http://www.worcestershire.gov.uk/home/cs-records-family-history.htm
If you live too far away you could try posting to see if anyone can do the lookup for you if they are going - you seem to have the date and names so it wouldn't take very long.
Or, the following site has an offer of lookups at the Worcs History Centre. You could try that, I've done that a couple of times and he is very helpful. http://freespace.virgin.net/isabel.easter/Wrcs.html
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RG9-2108/48
Tibberton
Sch no 4;Fordraft Lane
Elizabeth Colley,head,w,57,glove maker,Tibberton,Worcs
James Merrill,boarder,w,56,farm labourer,Tibberton,Worcs
Charles Colley,son,u,25,farm labourer,Tibberton,Worcs
Elizabeth Colley,dau,25,glove maker,Tibberton,Worcs
Elias Colley,grandson,2,Tibberton,Worcs
Rose Ellin Colley,grand dau,2m,Tibberton,Worcs
Sch 5;Foredraft Lane
John Merrell,head,m,58,??,Tibberton,Worcs
Ellen Merrell,wife,m,55,glove maker,Ledbury,Herefordshire
Sch10;Foredraft Lane
William Colley,head,m,37,farm labourer,Tibberton,Worcs
Eliza Colley,wife,m,34,glove maker,Hindip,Worcs
Christopher Colley,son,u,12,Claines,Worcs
Harriet Colley,dau,10,Tibberton,Worcs
Joseph Colley,son,8,Tibberton,Worcs
Edwin Colley,son,6,Tibberton,Worcs
Phoebe Colley,dau,3,Tibberton,WOrcs
Alice Colley,dau,1,Tibberton,Worcs
Rg9-2108/52
Tibberton
Sch no 53;Tibberton Road
George Colley,head,m,29,farm labourer,Tibberton,Worcs
Eliza Colley,wife,m,27,glove maker,Tibberton,Worcs
Thomas Colley,son,u,11,Tibberton,Worcs
Selina Colley,dau,7,Tibberton,Worcs
Charles Colley,son,5,Claines,Worcs
Julia Colley,dau,2,Tibberton,Worcs
RG9-2108/67
Hindlip
Sch no 24;Fordraught
Howell Fletcher,head,m,71,ag lab,Worcs,Pershore
Elizabeth Fletcher,wife,m,72,lab wife,Worcs,Tibberton
Thomas Fletcher,son,w,30,ag lab,Worcs,Hindlip
James Fletcher,gson,u,18,ag lab,Worcs,Hindlip
Sch no 25
Christopher Colley,lodger,m,22,ag lab,Worcs,Tibberton
Ann Colley,wife,m,21,ag lab wife,Worcs,Hindlip
Keziah Colley,dau,1?,Worcs,Hindlip
Sorry, don't see James there >:(
James and Harriet being son in law and dau in law in 1851 could be a mistake by the enumerator, or the transcriber, or it may indicate that they were children of Eliza by a previous marriage (sometimes used instead of step son/dau).
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Gardener,
This is great, many thanks it has really helped me to expand this side of my tree and has also filled in a few gaps.
I will try the links re the marriage details, but if nothing happens I am only about 15 miles from Worcester, if I can find where to go!
Be warned.....I have lots of family from Worcestershire!!!...seriously thanks again.
Cheers
DTR
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Hiya DTR
I have just discovered that my Great Grandmother Maria's maiden name was Colley and Elias was her father
We're related!
Willow x
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Hi Willow,
Great news!, welcome to the family ha! ha! ;D I have about 70 Colley's in my tree, my Grandmother was Edith Elizabeth Colley, Daughter of Enos Colley who was Elias cousin.
Maybe you can help me Elias mother was Elizabeth but she was unmarried! I have checked on the 1871 Census, also Elizabeth birth date was the same as her brother Charles, were they twins?
Let me know if you have any thoughts or would like some info on the Colley's I have.
Cheers
DTR
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Hiya DTR
Unfortunately I have only got back as far as Elizabeth at the moment having only just found out about her so any information would be welcome
Someone has posted quite a bit of information on the Colley family on Ancestory have you seen it?
Willow x
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Hi DTR
Have just found a very strange thing on the 1891 census
I was looking for James Colley and he appears on the census with
Edward Colley aged 14 stepson
Elizabeth Parry aged 54 wife
Richard Parry aged 50 head
Elizabeth Colley aged 54 sister in law widow
He is listed as aged 23 stepson
Did Elizabeth marry late in life?
Willow x
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Hi Willow,
Apologies for the delay, I bet you have these already now but here goes the info on Elizabeth Colley;
Father Edward Colley b. abt 1790 place not known yet!
Mother Elizabeth Davis b.1804 Tibberton
Marriage 1/3/1824 Tibberton
Children I know of as follows:
William Colley b. 1824 Tibberton
George Colley b. 1825 Tibberton
James Colley b. 1830 Tibberton d. 1897 Droitwich
Charles Colley1835 Tibberton
Elizabeth...as you know!
Christopher Colley b. 1840 Tibberton
Harriet Colley b. 1837 Tibberton d. 1847
Hope this helps I have spouses and children of the above but there are loads!
The Colley information on Ancestry may well be me! if it's an AOL e mail address it is! drop me a line if you think I can help you.
Cheers
DTR
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Thanx for that DTR
The two e-mail addresses were a to a davidrenal (which didnt send properly) and a jgalloway3 which might be in America but I havent had a reply from that one yet
As long as I know who I'm looking for I will chase up the others on the census
Whats your comment on my last post - any ideas?
Willow x
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By the way I dont know if you know this but Maria had a sister also called Harriet born 1891
She married a Jack Crowther and they had a daughter Dorothy (my great aunt) who never married (I dont even know if she is still alive)
Sorry I havent got any further dates but will let you know when I do
If you want the decendants of Maria PM me and I will e-mail them to you
Willow x
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Hiya DTR
I was searching about for Colleys and found this in 1871
John Packwood aged 34 b Upton, Worcs head
Jane Packwood aged 32 b Dodderhill wife
Alice Packwood aged 4 b Dodderhill daughter
George Packwood aged 7 b Dodderhill son
John Packwood aged 9 months b Dodderhill son
William Colley aged 70 b Dodderhill wifes father
Elizabeth Colley aged 66 b Dodderhill wifes mother
Source RG10/370
Folio 82
Any clues? Elizabeth is the right age and so is William (who we have as Edward)
Sorry I haven't e-mailed you with the rest of the info I promised by my e-mail is playing up after I brought a new computer - had to start my tree from scratch again gggrrrrr!
Willow x
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Found the following link
http://www.worcestershireregiment.com/wr.php?main=forum/thread.php&tet=Colley+brothers
I think I have just discovered what happened to some of the Colley family
Willow x
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Hi Willow,
I have seen the Colley'/ Packwood family before but I can't find a link with our Colley's, our Elizabeth was a widow in 1861 (see info supplied by Gardener above) also I have Elizabeth Colley living with her son George and his kids in 1871 and with George and his Son Frederick in 1881.
Regarding the Colley's killed in the WWI I knew about Enos, he was my Grandmothers brother and she named her first born Enos after him, George Colley I am not sure about, did you think he may have been son of Martin Colley?
Please see below entry from CWGC Web site
Casualty Details
Name: COLLEY
Initials: G
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment: Worcestershire Regiment
Unit Text: 1st/8th Bn.
Age: 33
Date of Death: 28/04/1917
Service No: 240042
Additional information: Son of Mr. and Mrs. W. Colley, of 12, Woodfield Rd., Droitwich.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: P. II. N. 15B.
Cemetery: ST. SEVER CEMETERY EXTENSION, ROUEN
Parents don't tie up do they? What do you think?
Cheers
DTR
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Willow,
Further to your post re Colley's killed in WW1 see extract from 1901 Census of the family that lost the 4 brothers.As I stated in my earlier post, I can't find a link with our Colley's, but if you can, let me know.
Name Age in 1901 Birthplace Relationship
Bertha Colley 11 Droitwich, Worcestershire, England Daughter
Edward Colley 5 Droitwich, Worcestershire, England So
Ernest Colley 8 Droitwich, Worcestershire, England Son
George Colley 17 Droitwich, Worcestershire, England Son
Harry Colley 1 Droitwich, Worcestershire, England Son
James Colley 9 Droitwich, Worcestershire, England Son
John Colley 3 Droitwich, Worcestershire, England Son
Lizzie Colley 37 Droitwich, Worcestershire, England Wife
Thos Colley 14 Droitwich, Worcestershire, England Son
Wm Colley 37 Droitwich, Worcestershire, England Head
Wm Harrison 19 Droitwich, Worcestershire, England Son
I had made notes about this family family about 12 months ago when I searched the CWGC Web Site for Colley's & Reynolds from the Worcester Regiment, noting that 3 men (George,James & Ernest) appeared to come from the same family....to lose 4 sons must have been unbearable.
Thanks
DTR
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George and Ernest were both sons of William - Elizabeths brother as far as I can tell - the ages match correctly to what I have pulled up of the census
James doesn't match - he would have been 27 not 29
In fact none of these appear on the CWGC lists and I only found them mentioned on this site
Willow x
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Willow,
Ernest, George and James are on CWGC Web Site (http://www.cwgc.org/cwgcinternet/search.aspx) Edward is the only one of the four named in the link that isn't there.
Your dates for the children of William, brother of Elizabeth need checking I think, this is my information on William Colley:
Wife - Eliza Hooper - Married 12.7.1847 Claines Worcester
Children I know as follows:
Christopher Colley Born 1849
Harriet Colley born 1851
Joseph Colley Born 1853
Edwin Colley Born 1855
Phoebe Colley Born 1858
Alice Colley Born 1860
William Henry Colley Born 1867 Died 1868
Thomas Colley Born 1847 Died at birth
Charlotte Colley Born 1865 Died at birth
I have Eliza Colley as a widow in 1871, I think she was a Pauper in a workhouse but again I can't read my own writing!!but her occupation is Gloveress which is as previous census information in 1851 & 1861.
Are your dates for William Colley's sons too late? Maybe it's me?
Cheers
DTR
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No its me having a brain storm again!
It was Elizabeths son William not her brother - he married an Elizabeth Harrison
Willow x
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Willow,
Now I see the link!!More Colley's for my tree, brilliant thanks very much.
Cheers
DTR
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Your welcome - heres the full family
William b 1863
Elizabeth Harrison b 1863 Tibberton
Bertha b 1890 Droitwich
Edward b 1877 Droitwich
George b1884 Tibberton
Ernest b 1893 Droitwich
Harry b 1900 Droitwich
James b 1892 Droitwich
Thomas b 1897 Droiwich
William b 1892 Droitwich
John b 1898 Droitwich
William and Elizabeth married 12.11.1882 in St Peters Droitwich
Willow x
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Yes looks like William died 1867 1/4 6c 239
Willow x
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And I have just found
Ada Colley b 1869 daughter of Charles b 1839
married William George Carter b 1866 in 1893 in Droitwich
In 1901 they were in Colwick, Nottingham
George Carter aged 35 b Lamgaen, Worcs Railway Signalman (think this should read Longden?)
Ada aged 32 b Siheton, Worcs (This should read Tibberton - have checked on census)
Jais Ivy Grace aged 1 b Arnold, Nottinghamshire (have checked it is actually Iris b 1899)
Willow x
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Hiya I have just found on the family history online site
Edward Colley widower married Elizabeth Davies spinster on 1.3.1824 at Tibberton
There is also listed
Edward Colley batchlor married Jane Baskerville spinster on 23.12.1811 at Tibberton
Edward Colley batchlor married Susanna Hartland on 7.5.1816 at St Andrews, Worcs
Willow x
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Willow,
Good find!!, Jane was Edward Colley's first wife, to my knowledge they had 2 sons, John b 1812 Tibberton & William b 1821 Tibberton, William died in the same year as his birth, there may be others but I don't know. I have John Colley's spouse and kids if you are interested drop me a line and I will give you what I have.(I also have all Edward & Elizabeth's children and spouses)
Elizabeth Davis was his second wife.
If you can find anything on Jane's death or any further information on Edward Colley that would be great because I am now struggling, I need to get to Worcester for the archives but I don't get time!!
Regards
DTR
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Willow,
I missed your post earlier about Ada, thanks for the info on the marriage. You may have these already but here is the rest of her family:
Mothers name was Emma, surname not known!
Francis Colley b 1875 Hindlip Worcester
Caroline Colley b 1870 Hindlip Worcester
Emma Colley b 1878 Hindlip Worcester
Ernest Colley b 1872 Hindlip Worcester
Benjamin Colley b 1867 Hindlip Worcester d 29.3.1867
Cheers
DTR
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How about this one?
Jane Colley aged 44 buried 23.5.1821 at St Peter ad Vincular, Tibberton
Thats the only Jane coming up in Tibberton
I had already got the rest of Ada's family thanx only found the certificate because I was bored and trying to marry or kill off some of the names on the list
Willow x
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Willow,
Sounds like the one! well done!!
Where are you getting this information from ? Can I get to it?
Regards
DTR
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Yes it Family History Online
http://www.familyhistoryonline.net/login/login.html
Its a pay per view site but seems to be useful for somethings
I wonder if it was giving birth to William at the age of 44 that resulted in her death?
Willow x
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Hiya DTR
I have found the following
Edward Colley died 28.4.1843 aged 66 buried St Peter ad Vincular, Tibberton. I know we have our Edward as being born 1790 and this one would have been born 1777 but that would make him the same age as his first wife. think theres a chance its our Edward?
Willow x
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Hiya DTR
I'm guessing you have used the IGI to search for rellys but I wasn't sure if you had the batch numbers for a specific area. They are C040341 and C040342 for christenings and M040341 and M040341 for marriages there is also a E040342 but nothing is coming up under that one
I have just pulled up a load of names that have slipped between the census takings plus the fact that Edward and Jane had children called William, John, Keziah and Thomas
John married a Keziah Price in 1840
It looks more and more likely that Edward wasn't born in Tibberton and any names found there are all decended from him. Now if we can just find out where he was born ......
Willow x
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Willow,
I changed the birth date for Edward too! I am pretty sure that it is him.
John Colley and Keziah Price children are as follows:
Emily Colley b 1853 Tibberton
John Colley b1844 Tibberton
Walter Colley b1851 Tibberton
George Colley b1843 Tibberton
Elizabeth Colley b1845 d1849 Tibberton
Jane Colley b1840 Tibberton
Look for Walter in 1871 &1891 Census and do a bit of digging, you might find his occupation and who he and his wife (Sarah Ballard) worked for interesting.
Thomas Colley married Hannah Woodward 1838 Bishampton Worcester
I have also found a John Colley b 1824 Tibberton Father Edward Colley Mother Elizabeth, would a Father name 2 sons the same even if they had different Mothers? What do you think?
Do you have Anne Colley, daughter of Edward & Elizabeth b.1828 Tibberton? I found her the other week.
You were also right about Elizabeth Colley marrying Richard Parry 26.12.1881 St Peter Droitwich in your earlier posting.
We do need Edward Colley's birthplace, when I first started about 5 years ago I made a note that he was born in Gloucester but I was very disorganised and I cant remember where I got it from or if it is right!
Hope the above info is of interest.
Cheers
DTR
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Hiya DTR
I found Walters occupation(s) - boy did he get about!
I found Anne last week and I definitely think Edward had two sons called John (weird!) maybe the first John died? and the second was named for him. Obviously the first set of kids had grown up and left home when he remarried - I get the feeling they didn't have much to do with his second wife
Have you any idea what happened to Keziah Colley daughter of Christopher? She married William Edward Salsbury in 1882 and their son Alfred b 1895 is listed with Christopher in the 1901 census but they are nowhere to be found
Did you find Angelina b 1861 daughter of George and Eliza? only found her from the IGI but she vanished by 1871 so she must have died. No scrap that she married Walter Webb in 1883 and found her in 1871 with the name spelt as Colly
She turns up in the 1881 census with Charles Colley b 1856 and an Elizabeth Colley b 1861 who's listed as the wife of Charles - she is listed as a sister! I wonder if he remarried someone his daughters age?
In the 1901 census he's listed as a pauper - she must have took him to the cleaners! he died in the december 1/4
Anyway speculation getting us nowhere. I will keep my eyes open and let you know
Willow x
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On the IGI there is
Edward Cowley christened 17.11.1776 parents William and Mary Ann at Moorfields, Gloucester
Could this be the one? You never know..... (fingers, toes, arms, legs and eyes crossed! - or is that because I have been staring at this screen too long!!)
Willow x
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Hiya DTR
Found the following and wasn't sure if you know
1901 at Cemetary House, Astwood Road, St Barnabas, Worcester
Thomas Lowe aged 54 b Kempsey Sexton and Gardener Head
Rose Lowe aged 38 b Worcester wife
Eva Colley aged 16 b Worcester stepdaughter
Henry Colley aged 14 b Worcester stepson General Labourer
John Colley aged 15 b Worcester stepson Iron Furnaceman
Source RG13/2787 Folio 71
Seems Rose married late too!. Marriage was Dec 1/4 1895 6c 493. She is down as Rose Hannah
GGGRRRRRR!!! scrap that! forgot about the other Rosehannah - its her husband. Interesting about the step bit though
Willow x
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Hi Ya Willow,
I got Rose (Hannah) too but didnt put it in my tree, not sure about the step bit, like yourself! A birth certificate for one of the kids would be interesting I bet, by the way did you ever find out who Elias father was? Same goes for the rest of Elizabeth childeren?
Cheers
DTR
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Hiya DTR
I cannot find a GRO reference for Elias :(
Willow x
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Hiya DTR
Been contacted by a cousin who is decended from Elias's brother William. I've given him Rootschats address and told him to look us up
Yay more of the tree and hopefully he might have got past some of our brickwalls
Willow x
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Hi Willow,
How's things? Sounds good about the cousin, lets hope we can get some more people, new finds on the Colley's are a bit thin at the moment!
Some information on Edward Colley or Elizabeth Davis would be great, keep me posted ;D
Cheers
DTR
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Hiya DTR
Just to let you know I have spoken to Ian. He is stuck on Edward and Elizabeth too but he says there is a an entry on the IGI (which seems to be playing up tonight!) for an Edward Colley christened in Hereford with parents listed as a William and Mary Atkins. There is also on the registry entry for Edward and Elizabeths marriage two witnesses with the surname Atkins. Could he have been adopted? Edward died 25.4.1843 from fever. Elizabeth is listed as being present at the death
He also tells me that he has Williams (b 1863) birth certificate and the father is listed as James Hughes the same as Rose Ellen. It looks like James Hughes is the father of Elias, James and Harriet although he and Elizabeth never married and he can be found in the census still living at home(Father Joseph - carpenter mother Harriet). He died 18.1.1874 from a 'visitation of God' (stroke) aged 34 (if I remember rightly) and was a carpenter - there was even a coronors inquest which would make great reading if we can ever find it. He has tried but had no luck
He is going to e-mail me a load of information so I will let you know
Willow x
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Willow,
Thanks for the update, apologies for not replying earlier, we had our 3rd babay in September and things are a bit mad at the moment (his name is Edward by the way and he is truly a fabulous boy!!!)
This all sounds compelling and I think we are close to maybe moving on a generation, I am pleased for you that you have confirmed Elias Father you must be really pleased and the information about Edward Colley is very interesting to say the least, I had an e mail from Ian to give him a call but with things being the way they are with work and new babies etc I did not get to read it until yesterday, I will drop him a line tonight.
Please keep in touch....you have my mail address I will try and keep up with things but forgive me if I am a bit slow to reply.
Keep smiling... :)
Cheers DTR
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Not surprised your all behind and CONGRATULATIONS!!
Brilliant choice of name may his GGGGGGranddad watch over his namesake and keep him safe
Willow x
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Hi Willow,
Did you get any further with Edward Colley?
I finally got round the checking a few things Ian told you that you said in your previous posting, apologies if you already know this but here goes:
Edward Colley that Ian told you about was the Son of Edward Colley and Mary Atkins, Born 1782 Bodenham Hereford, if Ian says he has a document from Edward and Elizabeth's Marriage with the Atkins name on it it stands a good chance he could be our man, in 1841 Census in Tibberton out Edward is listed as Born out of county (his Occupation was Canal Labourer).
What do you think ???
I have also found some more of Edward Colley and Mary Atkins children, these are as follows, all born in Bodenham Hereford:
Thomas Colley - 1780
Wiiliam Colley - 1785
John Colley - 1791
Mary Colley - 1795
Elizabeth Colley - 1799 - Died 1800
Edmund Colley - 1789
Does this take us any nearer?
Cheers
Dave
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Hiya Dave
I haven't spoken to Ian for a bit - I'll contact him but this does look hopeful
Willow x
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Hiya Dave
Long time no speak! (Looking at your avtar makes me realise how long - what a fantastic lad!)
Some dear soul has transcribed Tibbertons parish records (I dont know how complete they are) http://www.geocities.com/pennytrueman/tibb.html
Doesn't lead us any closer to Edward but there was another Colley family in Tibberton - Thomas and Anne
Rather annoyingly there are no baptisms for Elizabeth Davies or Jane Baskerville!
Willow x
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Hi Willow!!
Yes it has been a while....and thank you, he is a cracker, started nursery last week, not sure where that time went!!
I will check the link out but at the moment my research has ground to a halt!! so I need a kick start.
I hope all is well with you, keep me posted if you have any new finds!
Cheers
DTR
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Hiya Dave will do
My nephew started school this September so know wha you mean by time flying
Spoke to Ian recently - he suggested we look for info relating to the canal building in relation to Edward Colley might lead us somewhere
I will try and get round to it sometime
Willow x
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Hiya All hope your keeping well
Well I'm back trying to decipher the Colley family again but just finding more circles to run round in
I have found a new link for Tibbertons parish records to 1812 (the old one doesn't work anymore) http://www.melocki.org.uk/salop/Tibberton.html
Frustratingly it doesnt get us any closer to Elizabeth Davies although it does prove that there were people with the Colley name in Tibberton before Edward
The IGI throws up the following names of Davis/Davies in Tibberton
John Poole Davis 22.6.1766 p Anne
Mathew 27.8.1786 p Richard & Sarah
John 18.3.1798 p William & Nancy
John 17.5.1798 p William & Ann
Francis 18.10.1786 p Richard & Sarah
Thomas 1789 (no actual date) p Richard & Sarah
James 18.4.1833 p William & Sarah
We might have to see what non-conformist registers exist for Tibberton to tie her down further
Willow x
Jane 16.8.1829 p William & Martha