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Hello
I am looking for reference to CATTERICK, Mary c1805, George c1828, Isabella c1844,
Thank You
Pete
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Hello Pete and welcome to RootsChat
Hope this helps with your research
HO107/2378 50/12 Yorkshire Scruton 1851 Address: Moor House Cottage
John Catterick head Mar 46 bricklayer Yorkshire Scruton
Mary do wife M 44 do do
George Do son U 23 Bricklayer do do
Francis do son 12 scholar do do
James do son 11 do do do
Isabella do daur 7 do do do
Richard do son 4 do do do
Mary do daur 2 Yorkshire Scruton
Trish
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Looking in 1861 I find George Catterick born Scruton Yorks age 33 widower bricklayer - living alone - so I guess the age is correct.
Trish
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Thanks so much Trish, now to find the wife,
Wrigleys
Looking in 1861 I find George Catterick born Scruton Yorks age 33 widower bricklayer - living alone - so I guess the age is correct.
Trish
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Hi Pete,
I'd like to second the welcome Trish gave you!!
I have been unable to find a marriage as yet, but here is a very likely death:
Death, Jun. qtr. 1896
George Catterick, age 68
Bedale, Vol. 9d, page 396
Cheers,
Pels :)
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Not too sure if you already know this - but nothing ventured so they say .. ..
1871 census:
RG10/4865. folio 46 page 16
George Kilburn, stepson, 17, Bricklayer, b. Durham, Darlington
living with George in Scruton.
Kind regards,
Pels :)
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Pels
This is where the problem lies, George Kilburn (my great grandfather) was born to Jane Kilburn 1853 Darlington, There were 2 Jane Kilburn's, one married a Elliott Weightman, the other seems to have dissappeared, George Kilburn turns up with Mary Catterick in 1861, then becomes a stepson in 1871,
I have been looking for a link between the Catterick's, Kilburn's, but it looking more like that he was taken in then informaly adopted,
Not too sure if you already know this - but nothing ventured so they say .. ..
1871 census:
RG10/4865. folio 46 page 16
George Kilburn, stepson, 17, Bricklayer, b. Durham, Darlington
living with George in Scruton.
Kind regards,
Pels :)
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I feel sorry for you - I've checked Catterick/Kilburn marriages in this area and Co. Durham and there don't appear to be any?
But George is a widower .. ..
Pels :)
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Two marriages in Jun 1860 seem the only possibles for George - Free BDM isn't quite complete for 1851-1861 but very close
Could they have popped up to Gretna Green?
No sign of a Kilburn on the same pages
Trish
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If George and ? popped up to Gretna, ? turns her toes up, why then did my George retain his birth name ?
Two marriages in Jun 1860 seem the only possibles for George - Free BDM isn't quite complete for 1851-1861 but very close
Could they have popped up to Gretna Green?
No sign of a Kilburn on the same pages
Trish
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I think I'm confused - but I guess my thoughts were - hope this sounds sensible -
1853 Jane Kilburn gives birth to George Kilburn
Some time after this date (but before 1861)
George Catterick marries Jane Kilburn (but no sign of the marriage)
Jane Kilburn dies before 1861 - so George Catterick is a widower 1861
George Kilburn is with Mary Catterick 1861 as a visitor (step grandchild perhaps?)
By 1871, George Kilburn living with his step father George Catterick (who may or may not be his real father as well)
This is all absolute supposition - I can make up any story to fit the facts ;D
Trish
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I've just checked FreeBMD for North Riding of Yorkshire deaths,
there is only one female Catterick death between the years 1850 to 1862 in the Bedale registration district:
Mar. qtr. 1861
Jane Catterick
Vol. 10a, page 78
Out of curiosity I checked the 1851 census and I don't seem to find a Jane Catterick living in the Bedale registration area.
I wonder therefore if this could be your Jane?
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Pete, this death could confirm that Trish is right .. .. the child most likely would be staying elsewhere if George was grieving.
Pels :)
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the child most likely would be staying elsewhere if George was grieving.
Pels :)
Hi Pels
I think this is a little modern day terminology - the child was probably staying elsewhere because George had to go to work & men didn't mind young children - that was for their wives and mothers :) :)
Thus said - the death was a very interesting find - maybe my story is not as far fetched as I thought. Perhaps the marriage is one of the very few for the time period not yet transcribed. I'll let Pete do the 10 year scroll through the full indexes. :(
Trish
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Trish, Pels
OK, Jane Kilburn has George Kilburn 1853, Jane marrys's George Catterick sometime 1853-1861, Jane dies, Mary Catterick has George Kilburn as a visitor 1861, George Catterick has George K as a stepson 1871,
George K marry's Aug 1874, under fathers name it is marked Illegitimate,
If Jane had had George out of wedlock, then George C marry's her (to make her an honest woman) would George K then have had his name changed to Catterick to avoid the "bastard" tag,
A scroll through the full indexes, I am not looking forward to, but, in order to possibly solve this problem that has been bugging me for nearly 5 years, I now know what I will be doing for the next few hours,
Pete
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Pete, this death could confirm that Trish is right .. .. the child most likely would be staying elsewhere if George was grieving.
Pels :)
;D ;D ;D
Trish the more I look at this, the more ridiculous it appears!! ::)
Pete - I've just had a look through the full indexes on Ancestry - nothing! Only the ones to be found on FreeBMD - I was convinced I'd find it!
Please double check though - it doesn't take long because there are only a few Cattericks.
The only thing left now would be a wrong spelling of the name .. I looked for Catterick.
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Hello Pete
Guy Etchells on rootschat would be the best person to tell you about illegitimacy in UK. I don't think it could be altered by marriage until 1920s - somewhere on here it is discussed.
Did your George Kilburn marry as George Catterick? I hadn't picked that up. I know on the census people seemed to change the surname of children - perhaps because they didn't want the enumerator to know who was illegitimate! but usually on BDM certificates the registered name was used. Do you have the birth certifcate for George Kilburn. This may resolve if his mother was married or who is the father?
Some of our folks did try hard to hide their history. I have just discovered a rather important secret the family hid for 94 years - now a few folks are saying "we were never allowed to talk about that!"
Do hope you find the relationships - Pels has more stamina than me for searching the English indexes!! If she searched Catterick, perhaps you could search for a Jane Kilburn marriage.
Trish
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Georges birth certificate has blanks for father and occupation, just Jane Kilburn for the mother and the address of 16 Carters Row Darlington, George was married as Kilburn, under fathers name and occupation illigitemate has been recorded,
Hello Pete
Guy Etchells on rootschat would be the best person to tell you about illegitimacy in UK. I don't think it could be altered by marriage until 1920s - somewhere on here it is discussed.
Did your George Kilburn marry as George Catterick? I hadn't picked that up. I know on the census people seemed to change the surname of children - perhaps because they didn't want the enumerator to know who was illegitimate! but usually on BDM certificates the registered name was used. Do you have the birth certifcate for George Kilburn. This may resolve if his mother was married or who is the father?
Some of our folks did try hard to hide their history. I have just discovered a rather important secret the family hid for 94 years - now a few folks are saying "we were never allowed to talk about that!"
Do hope you find the relationships - Pels has more stamina than me for searching the English indexes!! If she searched Catterick, perhaps you could search for a Jane Kilburn marriage.
Trish
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Given his name is George, I guess there is a possibility George Catterick was his father - but I have no idea how you would prove this. It would be nice to find a marriage between George and Jane as it does seem likely that they were married at some time.
Trish
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All the Parish records for the Scruton area are kept in the County Archives at Northallerton Pete.
Jane (Nutty 1966) and I have been threatening to go there for some weeks now as a joint venture. ;)
Whilst there I can check the records for Scruton if you wish - although not too hopeful of a marriage, it will give me the opportunity to hopefully see the death I found for Jane Catterick in 1861.
Kindest regards,
Pels :)
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That would be absolutley marvellous, and hopefully Jane Catterick was a Kilburn from either Darlington or West Auckland,
If it's someone else, I may give up and become a Smith or Green or Brown
Pete
All the Parish records for the Scruton area are kept in the County Archives at Northallerton Pete.
Jane (Nutty 1966) and I have been threatening to go there for some weeks now as a joint venture. ;)
Whilst there I can check the records for Scruton if you wish - although not too hopeful of a marriage, it will give me the opportunity to hopefully see the death I found for Jane Catterick in 1861.
Kindest regards,
Pels :)
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Hi Pels
That sounds just great - we folks living in the other half of the globe have a few problems getting to UK records offices ...
But I shouldn't complain - my mum spent 2 years going to the LDS family centre once a month & got back 2 generations. I found ScotlandsPeople & scored another 4 in about 2 days! (after I learned that no-one got A+ for name spelling before about 1980)
Trish
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Hello, I've just noticed you were looking for a connection between George Catterick and his stepson George Kilburn. My connection is through the Catterick side BUT I have a marriage between George Catterick and Jane Kilburn at Leeds Registered Building in 1860. This would make sense as George Catterick's brother, Francis, was also in Leeds at this time and married there in 1867. There was also a marriage for a William Catterick in 1864, which I think was another brother so perhaps this Leeds wedding for Jane Kilburn is the one you are looking for. I found the information on YorkshireBMD so perhaps you could look on that for Jane's death. Hope this helps. Ena
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Hello, I am not familiar with roots chat but have posted some information on rootsweb re George Kilburn, stepson of George Catterick (re: 1851 census lookup Scruton 2007). Hope this helps someone, Ena
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Hi Ena,
Wishing you a warm welcome to RootsChat .. ! :)
I've just checked on Pete's (Wrigleys) profile, it appears he hasn't been online since Sunday, 27th May 2007. This could be why he isn't responding to your posts, we'll have to keep our fingers crossed he sees your replies.
Kindest regards,
Pels.