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Hello all!
I would be grateful for a lookup in the any or all of the 1841, 1851 and 1861 Census for:
George PEACE born 1795 Sheffield
He is the son of Samuel (dec 1833) and Ann (dec 1835) and a sibling between John and Charles, and according to information I have found, he died 1862 in Sheffield.
I believe this George is probably the father of my Charles PEACE b 1822,who on his marriage lines, stated his father was a George PEACE, file cutter,
I am also looking for my Charles PEACE in 1841 and 1851.
I do already have him on the 1861 and 1871 with his wife Ruth and children. In those Censii in Ecclesall Bierlow, Nether Hallam it indicates Charles was born around 1822 in Sheffield (one says in Crookes). He was a file cutter. I don't yet have birth certificate baptism or mother's name for him.
Many thanks for any help!
Cheers
AMBLY
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1861:
RG9/3469; Folio 13; Page 25 - Cooks Moor Gardens, Tree[..] Walk, Eccleshall Bierlow, Sheffield
Joseph Peace - Head - 33 - File Cutter
Mary Ann Peace - Wife - 24
Sarah Ann Peace - Dau - 6
James William Peace - Son - 4
Herbert Peace - Son - 2
Joseph Peace - Son - 5m
George Peace - Widower - 65 - File Cutter
Mary Ann Peace - Dau - Unm - 25
Sarah Peace - Dau - 5m (bracketed with Mary Ann - presumably MA's daughter.)
(All born Sheffield.)
1851:
HO107/2337; Folio 746; Page 53 - Cookes Gardens, Eccleshall Bierlow, Sheffield
George Pearce - Head - 55 - File Cutter
Sarah Pearce - Wife - 55
Joseph Pearce - Son - 24 - File Cutter
William Pearce - Son - 20 - File Cutter
Emma Pearce - Dau - 12
(All born Sheffield.)
1841:
HO107/1333/3; Folio 21; Page 3 - Broom Cross, Sheffield
George Peace - 40 - File Cutter
Henry Pearce - 20 - File Cutter
Edward Pearce - 20 - File Cutter
Charles Pearce - 15 - File Cutter
Joseph Pearce - 13 - File Cutter
William Pearce - 10 - File Cutter
Sarah Pearce - 40
Elizabeth Pearce - 12
Mary Ann Pearce - 5
Emma Pearce - 2
(All born Yorkshire.)
Rambler
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Thanks very much Rambler, much appreciated! ;D
This looks like my 2 chaps. The names, ages and locations are spot on. As well as this Census, I do have other info on my line which makes me pretty sure my Charles and his father George, are closely part of the PEACE family that were File & Steel Manufacturers in Sheffield with George probably being the brother who didn't seem to be involved in the business in the same way.
From the IGI, I tend to think George's wife is Sarah DARWIN. And if George is the son of Samuel & Ann, it would appear their 3 sons (John, George and Charles) all married women named Sarah.
Could I ask if there is any sign of my Charles in 1851 at all ? He would have been around 28 then and probably in Sheffield - round Hallam / Eccleshall Bierlow. When he married in Sheffield in 1852, he was stated as a Batchelor, resident of Hallam.
Thanks again !
AMBLY :D
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I think this is Charles in 1851:
HO107/2338; Folio 422; Page 51 - 9 St George Terrace, Sheffield
Charles Peace - Head - 27 - ?? & Filemaker - Sheffield
Susan Nicholes - Servant - 32 - Upper Hallam(?)
Rambler
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Thanks again Rambler,
That does look like it's probably him - a servant, huh? hmmm. :-X
Cheers
AMBLY
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One or two wrinkles in the census entries, from a local knowledge point of view:
1861
The address is Crookes Moor Gardens and the second part is 'Tree Root Walk' This still exists off Whitham Road, next to the Weston Park Hospital.
George has 'widower' under relation to head and 'Mar' under status!
1851
Again, Crookes Gardens
There is a John PEACE 57 file manufacturer, and family on the previous page, also in Crookes Gardens
1841
The surname is PEACE throughout.
There is another person, possibly a servant though no occupation is listed:
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Hannah EAGLE 45 (born in county)
There is another word after 'Broom Cross' which is difficult to make out. It might be 'Walk'?
This household is preceded by one in Western Bank, and followed by one in 'Tree Root Walk', so they didn't move far if at all.
Hugh
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Was he by any chance related to the infamous Charlie PEACE ?
see: www.historybytheyard.co.uk/charlie_peace.htm
Regards - Dave
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Hi Hugh
Thanks for the extra clarifications on the Census. And for the local knowledge! Those Census can be hard to read sometimes!
My Charles stated in the 1871 Census (living at 98 Walkley Bank (or Bark) Road) and he was born in "Crookes". His wife Ruth PEARSON was born there aswell.
Correspondence years ago and in relation to Ralph PEACE's book, suggested Charles was of the "Pea Croft PEACE" family - and indeed that address does figure on one of the certificates of my lot. There are so many in the PEACE clan with the same name, it's a heck of a job sorting thru them ::) but so far it looks as if his father George is the one I think he is - and it was another branch of the family who were the more prominent manufacturers in Sheffield and in the US.
If I could trouble you further, would you be able to give me the details of the John PEACE you mention in 1851, this could be his brother?
Many thanks!
AMBLY
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Hi Dave
When I first started looing at the PEACE side, I came across Charlie PEACE the villian! And was quite excited as his age was near to my Charles' - but as it panned out, not the same man ;D Facinating story his is, though, and I hope I can one day claim him!
I haven't managed to find a link of the infamous Charlie into my PEACE tree - I have seen web info that says he was born 1832 and his father John was a Shoemaker - whereas most of 'my' PEACE were in the steel, filecutter line - I think he (John) may have been from Derbyshire. But there were Sheffield PEACE's who did go to Derbyshire.....
Do you know anything of the Sheffield PEACE clan?
Cheers :)
AMBLY
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Hi Ambly !
Is this Peace Family one of yours ??
http://mick-armitage.staff.shef.ac.uk/sheffield/photogal/artefct2.html
Annie :)
I just like the picture !! :)
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OooooH! Cool Annie! Thankyou!
It will be one of mine - well, I am 99% sure my "100% mine" is one of theirs - as to which of the ones they are is a mystery to be solved - mu head is spinning with PEACEs at the moment!
http://www.citysnapper.org/chantrey/sheffield/sheffield2g.htm
Indicates the PEACE man in the pic imight be WIlliam Hobson PEACE who married in 1857 to Ann EATON.
These is the main tree (tho WIlliam HOBSON isn't on it I don't think)
http://www.robwalsh.com/familytree/individual.php?pid=I605&ged=walsh.ged
I think this George PEACE born 1795 is the father of my Charles.
Cheers ;D
AMBLY
ADD: It must be William Hobson PEACE and fmily in the oic ;D he put a claim in for Damages to the Mill after the flood!
http://www2.shu.ac.uk/sfca/claimDetails.cfm?claim=8-6397
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Hi again ANnie!
If you've not gotten a jump ahead of me, Could you do us a favour and see if you can find William Hobson PEACE and Ann on the 1861?
Also, I am keen to locate anything regarding a Harvey W PEACE in American records - Brooklyn area of NY - can you help at all? I have seen his death registration record (on the Italian Genealogy WebSite) and that of his wife, in NY. What I'd really like to find is him going to the US in abt 1848 - I have a suspicion that he may not have always been known as Harvey - ie that he added Harvey or swapped his names round - might be wrong on that one!
http://www.hyperkitten.com/tools/hwpeace/history.php
Eternally grateful for anything you have a moment to find! ;D ;D
AMBLY
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Hi Ambly,
Sorry, I have no info on PEACE in Sheffield, but being a 'local lad' the name caught my attention.
Regards - Dave
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Hi Ambly !
I sent you a PM regarding the 1861 .... do you want me to write it out here also ??
Maybe I'd better ( I'll answer my own question !! ::) ) in case anybody else needs it !!
1861
Penistone Road Don Terrace Nether Hallam
William H Peace 32 Head Sheffield Yorkshire Master Silver Roller ?
Ann Peace 33 wife Sheffield
Benjamin Peace 2 son Sheffield
Margaret Peace 4 mths daughter Sheffield
Rachel Wright 21 servant Rotherham
RG9/3463 Folio 70 Page 1
Annie :)
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1860
Brooklyn Ward 15 District 1 Kings New York
Harvey W Peace 29 male England polisher
Hannah Peace 20 female New York
William Peace 5 (?) male New York
Annie :)
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Snippets ....... :)
Harvey W. Peace Co. Vulcan Saw Works
Image Metadata
Plate(s)
2404
Date
1890
Facility Name
Harvey W. Peace Co. Vulcan Saw Works
Products Made
Machinery-Woodworking
Address
469-475 Keap St and Ainslie St
Location
Brooklyn , New York
http://www.philageohistory.org/rdic-images/HGSv25/HGSv25.2404.htm
HARVEY W. PEACE & CO. LIMITED, VULCAN SAW AND TOOL WORKS, Tenth and Ainslie Streets, Brooklyn, N.Y., Oct. 8, 1887. Sold to R. R. Carter. This particular billhead has two graphics of C. W. Boynton's Latest Patent Wonder Saw, Pat.Nov. 25, 1884. One graphic is of a double edge pruning saw and one of a one man cordwood saw.
HARVEY W. PEACE was born in Sheffield England Aug 10 1831 - His father and grandfather had both been brought
up in the saw business all their lives. When he was very young his parents moved to Dore in Derbyshire
about six miles from Sheffield but still retained their connection with the saw-works in Sheffield - Mr Peace
obtained his early education in Dore - but at the age of thirteen began to work a part of the time - in the same manufactory
with his father and grandfather. At the age of eighteen, he was a very skillful saw-grinder - at that time (1849) he came
to America with his father and family the father having received an invitation from Messes. R. Hoe & Co. of New
York, to take charge of the saw-grinding in their extensive works. In this establishment - young Peace remained for
twelve years (except a trip to Europe, in 1857, for health and recreation) - In these twelve years he had become a
complete master of his business, and with his industry temperate habits and economy - had been able to save a little
capital to start the business of saw manufacturing for himself.
Accordingly...... in 1861 he commenced in a small way - in Center street New York, taking a younger brother as a partner.
Finding their location not a good one at that time (it was just at the beginning of the Civil War) they moved the next
year to Johnstown Fulton county New York where they remained about a year. By this time business - in some
directions ( and the manufacture of saws was one of them ) had greatly revived - and was much better in the seaports
than in the interior. Once more therefore they moved and this time - to what proved a permanent location to
Ainslie street, Brooklyn. At first their quarters here were small and narrow and proved so inconvenient that they
moved to a better location on the same street in 1867
Mr. Peace though heartily American in feeling and interest does not forget that he first drew breath in England.
He is an officer of the St. George's Society, and a hearty and cordial friend and helper of his countrymen. In other
directions also, his liberal spirit exhibits itself, and he is a generous giver to all good causes.
http://www.hyperkitten.com/tools/hwpeace/history.php
Annie :)
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Thanks Dave !
Thanks Annie!
Recieved AOK ;D Looking at the 1881 census (Old Park Rolling Mills Neepsend Lane, Brightside Bierlow) {RG11 4658/41/3 - William H's widow became Mistress of the Mill, and son Ben the Manager at age of 22!
Thanks for the Harvey one, too and the bits and pieces - I found them aswell, everything but the name of his father.
Cheers
Anne
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Ambly ........ I feel this is one of yours too ...... but how I don't know !! ???
When he was very young his parents moved to Dore in Derbyshire
1841
Dronfield Derbyshire ( Upper Hallam and Dore )
George Peace 25 Male Dronfield Derbyshire saw grinder
Mary Peace 25 Female Dronfield Derbyshire
Albert Peace 3 Male Dronfield Derbyshire
HO107/195/3B Folio 18 Page 13
Annie :)
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Ta Annie ;D
Re: the 1841 : U n me both! The same forenames all crop up - time and time again! I'll keep that one for reference, ta for that.
In the 1861 indexes at this wonderful site I just found:
http://www.sheffieldrecordsonline.org.uk/
Is this lot:
Piece: 3463, Folio: 10 in SHeffield
Head: William PEACE 55 head born Dore
with his Sheffield born wife & adult chd & gr chd.
I can't seem to find him in 1851 - and I wonder if that was becasue he was Harvey's father and was therefore in the US at the time having gone there in 1848...according to the Bio on Harvey.
Thanks for the 1860 info for Harvey!
Cheers
AMBLY
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Hi AnniE!
I just found this: ;D
http://sheff-indexers.thewholeshebang.org/ParishBaptismIndex.html
William Hobson PEACE of full age a Batchelor, occ: Silver Roller - residing at Philadelphia, son of Benjamin PEACE - Merchant.
Married: Ann EATON September 24, 1857 at St Philip's, Shalesmoor
Witness: Wm. Holdsworth, Elizabeth Peace, Henry Peace.
So I assume Philadelphia was the US Philadelphia............??
Now who was Benjamin..............(AMBLY ponders outloud) :P :P
Cheers
AMBLY
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Hi Ambly,
It is more likely that Philadelphia is the area of Sheffield with the same name.
Regards - Dave
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Here's a most likely,
1851 2336-87 --Infirmary Lane Nether Hallam Sheffield-would come under Philadelphia area
Eliza Peace 46 widow Ecclesfield
Elizabeth 24 daur silver burnisher
William H 22 son silver millers clerk
Henry 20 son coach builder
Emily 14 daur scholar
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Ecclesfield St Mary burials,
PEACE-William Hobson-18-Sep-1877-Wardsend House-age 49
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Hi parkwood and welcome to RootsChat ! :)
Ambly will like that ... I'm sure ! :)
What a terrific site this is Ambly !!
http://mick-armitage.staff.shef.ac.uk/sheffield/photogal/picflud6.html
You might find more on there of interest ... there's even an old picture of Penistone Road !!
Thought you might be interested in this ..... :D
http://www.stgeorgessociety.org/stgeony.html
Annie :)
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Morning all from a balmy NZ.... ;D
Dave, thank goodness for local lads - I was about to take trip overseas!
Parkwood, Thanks for the 1851 census information & death reference - and it's spot on, Eliza and those same adult children are also on the 1861 next but 1 before William H and his family ;D The HOBSON connection is not therefore the one I considered it could be, though they may tie up at some stage. And of course they are on Penistone Road in 1861 which ties in very nicely to......
Annie, thanks for the links, especially the photographs - if I ever do tie in William Hobson PEACE to my tree, I have some great background on environments ...
And yes! This is a great site
Cheers 8)
AMBLY
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Morning all from a balmy NZ.... ;D
AMBLY
Just so you know Ambly .... it's snowing here ... AGAIN !! ::) ::) ::)
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Hello all!
I would be grateful for a lookup in the any or all of the 1841, 1851 and 1861 Census for:
George PEACE born 1795 Sheffield
He is the son of Samuel (dec 1833) and Ann (dec 1835) and a sibling between John and Charles, and according to information I have found, he died 1862 in Sheffield.
I believe this George is probably the father of my Charles PEACE b 1822,who on his marriage lines, stated his father was a George PEACE, file cutter,
I am also looking for my Charles PEACE in 1841 and 1851.
I do already have him on the 1861 and 1871 with his wife Ruth and children. In those Censii in Ecclesall Bierlow, Nether Hallam it indicates Charles was born around 1822 in Sheffield (one says in Crookes). He was a file cutter. I don't yet have birth certificate baptism or mother's name for him.
Many thanks for any help!
Cheers
AMBLY
here's a possible
General Cemetery Sheffield
1861,10808,N26,21 Apr 1861,24 Apr 1861,George,Peace,65,File Cutter,Crookesmoor
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Hi AMBLY and all: Two of my great great grandparents, Joseph and Mary Drury, along with their infant daughter, survived the Great Sheffield Flood. I was about to post a link to the archive of claims for damage from the flood, but I see that you already have it.
I searched PEACE on the claims site and got 101 hits for claims, at least five by different people named PEACE. Many of the others claims were made by employees--file cutters and saw makers, etc.-- of at least two companies run by men named Peace.
Cheers,
John
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AMBLY: Forgot to mention that I live in Brooklyn, NY--in case you need any help re: Brooklyn or NYC. The Vulcan Saw Company was located in Williamsburg(h) section of Brooklyn, home now to small manufacturers and many artists.
In contrast to Colorado, where I believe Liverpool Annie lives, it is not snowing, and it has not snowed at all this winter. Denver and environs are taking all of our punishment this year, for which we are heartily grateful.
Cheers,
John :o :o :o
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Ambly !
Have you seen this .... somebody else is researching Peace also ........ :D :D :D
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0168/
John .... I'm suffering from a little cabin fever ....... !! ;D ;D ........... just get shovelled out and here it comes again !! ::) ::) ::) you can take it back anytime !! ;)
Annie :)
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This is the 'other' PEACE family in Crookes Gardens in 1851:
1851 census
ref: HO107/2337; Folio 746F
Crookes Gardens
(Ecclesall Bierlow)
John PEACE Head Marr 57 file manufacturer Sheffield
Martha PEACE Wife Marr 56 Sheffield
William PEACE Son Unm 32 file cutter Sheffield
Ann PEACE Dau Unm 28 Sheffield
Sarah A PEACE Dau Unm 19 Sheffield
Martha COWARD [?] Daur in law Unm 18 Grenoside
Henry PEACE Son Unm 15 file cutter Sheffield
'Dau in law' here probably has the meaning 'step-daughter'.
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By the way there are 34 PEACEs buried in Walkley Cemetery (opened 1880) but none with an address in Walkley Bank Road
Hugh
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Hi again all!
Another hot but windy day here; not a skerrick of snow ;D - in the winter it can get up on the tops of the ranges above my place, but never down as far as the village. Have been taking the kids swimming at a local playground / park, and out in the garden here attacking the weeds! Some nights it's still humid late evening and 10pm at night before it coold down. Actually I love snow , I wish it DID snow here! Unfortunately, we just get lots of rain in winter!
Parkwood, Thanks again - that does look like the right George - it certainly
fits with what I already have. My guess you are looking up on a CD record set? ? I have found some of mine at: this site(but not George):
http://www.gencem.org/burialrecords/records.php
John, thankyou - those Archives sites are a goldmine aren't they - I see
the mention of your Drury's too.
A lot of the PEACE you mention who were Flood Claimants are related; some of
them I haven't come across in any way I can ID them at once ( egDavid,
Thomas....) and the rest of them, it takes some sorting as to who's who.
There were at least two companies over the time: one of William Kirkby PEACE
& co (Eagle Works) and his father before him, I would say , and another
with Edwin & Samuel as the PEACE brothers, who are cousins related to WK. As well, there was a Joseph Peace & Co., at Neepsend, known by the name of Merchant Works, possibly relative to William Hobson PEACE.
There was also another Manufacturer pair of brothers, John & Charles PEACE of Peacroft - these two I believe are brothers to "my George". John is the one in the 1851 Census. I am also wondering if Harvey W PEACE was connected to these brothers via Charles......but more on that later. If you ever come across anything in your local local on Harvey W, I would be grateful to know it; I'm going to post a request for a look up in immigration records for him.
Hey Annie! Brrr! Hope you're keeping warm ::) ;D
Thanks for finding the link, it's the same one I posted up on Pg1 ;) it's got a lot of stuff which is invaluable, they have done a lot of work, and I have found even more on some of the lines. I'm going to contact them, as my direct line isn't part of it and I'm pretty sure it should be - maybe they will be interested to know more. There are another couple of researchers out there too with connections to lines in the tree - the email addys are quite old, so I hope they are still active.
Dalum, thanks for the 1851 for John, which has helped with a link-up - it's the same man I already have in 1861, who is by then married to a second wife Martha COWARD nee MILTON (so you're right abt the step daughter). Is there a set of CD's with the burial records youself and Parkwood are finding? I might have to invest......
Thanks again everyone!
Cheers
AMBLY
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Hi AMBLY: If you want snow, we're getting here it on the East Coast of the U.S. on Friday. If you hop on a bird, you'll be just in time for it. Or you could detour to Colorado, where the real action in the white stuff is. Annie, who wishes she were back in Liverpool, very kindly offered me all of the snow that has had her starting to climb the walls. Alas,, I must politely decline her generosity. I had my fill in the winter of 1996, when New York had 17, count 'em, 17 snowstorms. I parked my car one day and then couldn't find it for six weeks. I could only see towering mounds of plowed snow where the car once had been--and still was!
But on the topic of PEACE: It's been helpful reading. I've learned, from looking again at the Flood Claim records, that my gt gt grandfather Joseph Drury, who was a forge man, probably did not work for any of the PEACE factories.
Cheers,
John
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Hi again Ambly: I was about to logoff and retire for the duration when I saw that you were going to post a lookup request for Harvey W. Peace's immigration records. So I went to the website for Castle Garden (operating through most of the 1800s as the predecessor of Ellis Island) and to the Ellis Island website, looking for said Harvey.
There were 66 Peaces on Castle Garden but no Harvey; 125 on Ellis Island site, including one Harvey Peace who was a butcher and lived in Clinton, NY, which is far north of New York City.
On Ellis Island there was also a Norman Kirkby Peace, a resident of Sheffield arriving 1906 for "various tours" and staying in New York at the Waldorf Astoria Hotel and going on to Yosemite Park. I was caught by the middle name.
You can access and search both sites: www.castlegrarden.org and www.ellisisland.org. They're both easy to use, if you haven't already seen them. Ellis Island requires that you register. Castle Garden doesn't.
Cheers,
John
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Hi John
Thanks for that - I didn't think of Castle Garden, but will have a good look.
I am reg with Ellis Island, but no sign of Harvey there - though I understand he only went back to the UK once in 1857? after first going to America in 1848. I wonder if he "Americanised" his name somehow.......?
I didn't see Norman Kirkby PEACE on Ellis (will look now!) - but he is the son of Hugh Kirby PEACE, who was the son of William Kirkby PEACE - William & Hugh were in the business of File & Steel manufactury. WK was born abt 1821 the son of Charles PEACE and Mary KIRKBY. (who died 1825). Charles may have had an earlier wife, and did have a later one and is a possibility as Harvey's father. If he was, then Mary KIRKBY can't be the mother if Harvey was born 1831. So far I don't have any son I could attribute as being Harvey. And if Charles is the father, in 1846 he was apparently married to a Mary HOUSNFIELD - so I wonder if there was another wife 1825-1846 from whom Harvey was sprung...
However, all that said, there was ANOTHER CHarles PEACE - in the same wider tree as WK but who is much closer to my direct line, being the brother (100% sure brother of my 99.9% sure George) who had connections to the US and was also a File Manufacturer with brother John (the Pea Croft Peace's)....
Charles PEACE b 1797 - d 1869 , m Sarah STACEY
He had a son named Charles b 1827 who married a Maria NODDER.
Charles Jnr at least must have gone to the US as , Charles Jnr's 2nd child was born in New York - in the house of Charles Snr in 1851 is:
Son: Charles PEACE 23 YKS Sheffield
Sons Wife: Maria PEACE 28 b WAR Birmingham (Maria is nee NODDER)
GrDau: Sarah E PEACE 3 b YKS Sheffield
GrSon: John Charles PEACE 18m b America, New York State
GrSon: Walter PEACE 5m b YKS Sheffield
So again, another possibility for Harvey's family - is Charles Snr the one who went to the US in 1848 with his 2 sons?
Thanks for the tip off re Norman - and I hope you've got a tall car with sonar now ;D Make a snowman for me - I'd ask Annie, but somehow don't think she'd be in the mood for skylarking about in the stuff!!
Cheers
AMBLY
Add: Just saw on Castle Garden - Norman's father Hugh Kirkby PEACE went to US in 1881 ;D
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Hi all
Just an update on Charles PEACE - the one who is my 3x Gt 'father - and 2 requests for more help.....
He was born abt 1822, in 1841 with his parents George & Sarah, married Ruth 1852, is in 1861 and 1871 with the wife & kids and he died 1875 - all in the Nether Hallam, Crookes areas. What I didn't have was him in 1851, when he was still a bachelor and he wasn't at home with his father...
Rambler found this one, which at first I thought could be him, right age and occ, - though the presence of servant didn't gel, didn't seem to fit......
I think this is Charles in 1851:
HO107/2338; Folio 422; Page 51 - 9 St George Terrace, Sheffield
Charles Peace - Head - 27 - ?? & Filemaker - Sheffield
Susan Nicholes - Servant - 32 - Upper Hallam(?)
But now, I don't think it's my Charles - I think that Charles is the brother of William Kirkby PEACE who is one the same Piece 2338; Folio 422. This 1851 Charles married Jul 1852 to a Margaret Maria ARMITAGE and was widowed in 1853.
Could someone please take a look at HO107/2338; Folio 422 and tell the details of the entry for:
William K PEACE age 33, with wife Mary Susannah also 33
If I'm right, it's back to the drawing board with my Charles (Chas) PEACE (PEARCE, PEASE, PEAS) - still missing in 1851 age about 28-29, unmarried Filecutter born Crookes (or Sheffield abt 1822. Can I ask for another look for him ? Maybe he ventured out of the 'home area' for a while!
Thanks a lot!
Cheers
AMBLY
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Are you sure this isn't your guy Ambly ??
1851
St Georges Terrace Sheffield
Charles Peace 27 Head Unmarried Sheffield Yorkshire Tin Filer ??
Susan Nicholes 32 House Servant
HO107/2338 Folio 422 Page 51
Annie :)
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Hi Annie!
Thanks for checking that one again, no I really don't think he's my direct Charles - especially as in 1851 this one IS living next door but one to William Kirby PEACE (who's at 10 St Georges Tce) - thanks for the info - but as WK's brother, then he does belong on my wider tree, and I'd like to tidy him up too, in that case. Both were around the same age. WK and his brother, unlike my lot, would have and did have, servants.....
I have 3 White's entries - the Charles, I think is this same Charles in 1851:
1852: William Kirkby PEACE - Merchant &c. (Ibbotson, Peace & Co.)
home address. 10 St George's Terrace
1852: Charles PEACE Jnr. Merchant &c. - Ibbotson, Peace & Co, h. 234 Brookhill
1857: William Kirkby PEACE - mcht - home address 232 Brookhill
I can find mine (CHARLES - A) in 1861 and 1871 - he died 1875.
On the 1881, I can find the one I think is the 1851 Charles yourself and Rambler found (CHARLES-B):
C81: Ecclesall Bierlow, Yorkshire
REF: RG11 / Piece 4634 / Folio74 / pg 40
ADDRESS: 6 Lawson Road
Head: Charles PEACE 57, Wid, Retired Steel Merchant , b Sheffield,
Serv: Lucy SHAW 28, unm, b Sheffield,
Serv: Emily FLETCHER 17 unm, General Servant, b Middlesbro, Durham
CHARLES-B was widowed 1853, whether or not he remarried and was widowed again btw 1853 and 1881, I don't know - I haven't got Census for him in 1861 or 1871. This Charles died 14 April 1894 in Worksop.
My CHARLES-A - I'm going to track down his siblings as far as possible, he might turn up in 1851 in the process!
Cheers
AMBLY
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Now Ambly .... I don't remember you saying Charles may have been a soldier ..... but it's not unknown for me to lose the plot !!........ but here's a soldier !! ( 'cos you know me and soldiers !! ::) ::) )
1851
Cavalry Barracks Norwich
Charles Peace 27 Soldier Sheffield Yorkshire
HO107/1813 Folio 371 Page 13
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Hi Clever Annie ;D
Thanks so much!
Now there's a good looking chap - I have never known mine to be a soldier - he wasn't by 1852 and was not in 1841 - but he may have been in between, a seemingly short term of service if it's him. His son Walter, though did become a soldier - moving away from the PEACE men traditions of being lifelong File Cutters - maybe he got the idea from Dad... I might have to put "Get Army Records" on the mile long list of "Things to Do Which Cost Money" ;D ;D
Cheers
AMBLY ;D
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We have to find the right regiment first !! ;)
I went through 19 pages of soldiers trying to find the regiment ::) ......... I think it's Prince Albert's Own Hussars !!
If somebody can post the part of the image and see what you think !! :) :)
Annie :)
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Erk! 19 pages!
Thanks Annie - for your Soldiering expertise!
;) ;) Could it be: 11th Hussars (Prince Albert's Own)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/11th_Hussars
Their nickname was the Cherry Pickers..
Another site says:
http://website.lineone.net/~royal.hussar/11hvictoria.htm
QUOTE: From 1838 the 11th served in England and Ireland until called forward for the Crimean war in 1854 UNQUOTE
Which would mean if that Charles is my Charles, he came out before the Crimeam.....What reason would there be for a chap to be in the Army some time after 1841 and out by 1852 when the usual term is 21 years or something?? Invalided out? Bad Behaviour? Very interesting!!
Cheers
AMBLY
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You might try posting him on the Armed Forces board ....
lots of very knowledgable people there that may be able to help !! :) :)
Annie :)
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Here's a bit !! ;)
11th Hussars
1825 Jat War
1826 India
1838 England
1840.03.13 11th (Prince Albert's Own) Regiment of (Light) Dragoons (Hussars)
1843 Ireland
1846 England
1852 Ireland
1854.05 at sea (embarked at Kingston) ships: Glendalough, Asia, War Cloud, Parameter, Tyrone, Penola
1854.06 Bulgaria: Varna
1854 Bulgaria
1854.09. at sea
1854.09.16 Crimea: Kalmatia Bay
1854 Crimea Light Bde
1856.06 at sea
1856.07.28 England
1858.07.30 Aldershot
1861 Ireland
1865 England
http://website.lineone.net/~royal.hussar/11hhomepage.htm
My mate Mick the Hippy .... gave this information to somebody else looking for the 11 th !!
They were involved in the Charge of the Light Brigade !! but that was around 1854 ... I think !!
In 1837 the regiment was in Cawnpore in having served in India for 18 years.In December 1837 they left Cawnpore and India via Calcutta where the regiment was put aboard two ships, the Repulse and the Thames.The 200 men aboard the Thames had a terrible 700 mile journey due to there being no proper accomodation and a total lack of any hammocks or bedding!
When they arrived back in England they were posted via Chichester to Canterbury where they remained until 1840 when they were moved to Preston Barracks in Brighton,half of the regiment were quartered at the Royal Pavillions.It was at this time that the name of the regiment was changed from the 11th Light Dragoons to the 11th (Prince Albert's Own) Hussars on account of their having escorted Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg on his arrival in England on his way to marry Queen Victoria.
The regiment left Brighton on the 22nd March 1841 and were ordered to do 'Queen's Duty' providing escorts for Royal journeys and visits, they were quartered at Hounslow Barracks with a detatchments of the regiment at Hampton Court, Kensington and the Royal Military College at Sandhurst.In the summer of 1841 they escorted the Queen to Nuneham, Woolwich and Woburn.
In April 1842 they were sent to York due to the threat of civil unrest by the Chartists and by August 1842 there were detatchments of the regiment in Halifax, Rochdale and Glossop where their duties included escorting Chartist prisoners to and from Goal to court.
On the 25th April 1843, and due to the troubles in Ireland, they left York and travelled to Dublin via Liverpool.In Dublin they were quartered at the Royal Barracks near Pheonix Park.
Returning from Ireland in May 1846, they spent the next two years at Coventry with a detatchment at Manchester.
From 1848 to 1850 they were back at Hounslow escorting the Queen, and in 1850 they went to Norwich where they stayed until 1852 when they returned once again to Dublin and that's where they were when war was declared in the Crimea.
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Here's a picture of the uniform !!
http://www.hussards-photos.com/UK/UK_11.htm
Annie :)
PS Were any of the children born in Ireland - do you know ?? if they did have children there - Pat Reid says
I think that the 11th was stationed in Newbridge. There is reference to that in the Ballina Chronicle September 26 1849.
http://www.irelandoldnews.com/Mayo/1849/SEP.html
Hope you find something .... ( though 1849 may be bit late !! )
I have to go to bed :D :D ;)
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Hi All,
The National Archives (catalogue ref. WO97/106/62) has Charles PEACE born SHEFFIELD, Yorkshire served in 11th Dragoons discharged age 29. Covering dates are 1843 to 1852.
The WO97 series is mainly soldiers discharged to pension as invalids or witha disabling injury.
Regards - Dave
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Morning Dave!
Oh!! How wonderful - thankyou so much ;D I'm so excited by this development.... Dave, i'ts 4.46 a.m. as I write & I have tossed and turned and hardly slept a wink all night; my head was full of PEACE thoughts - (must have spent too much time on this yesterday) One of my passing thoughts was "Must have a look in Nat Archives..."....though I'm not sure I would have remembered to actually do it - good job you did!
That's got to be him of the Census - and whatsmore, it's got to be my Charles, surely! In combination. everything is spot on: the age, POB, the dates, the regiment . ;D ;D Will definitely have to get the record now, to confirm it.
Hey Annie, isn't that great? ;D Thanks again for the Census heads-up on that one! And for all the info, which means so much more, now that I'm pretty much convinced my "Charles woz there"- looks like he would have spent his 10 years service between Ireland and England only - all his chd with Ruth (born after 1852) were born in Sheffield.
Cheers
Happy AMBLY
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I'm glad you're happy Girlfriend !! ;D ;D
I had to go to bed last night it was late .... but my thought was to check TNA this am ....... I was glad to see Dave did it too !! ;D ;D
So is THAT Charles tied up now then ??
Annie :)
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Morning Annie! ;D
Yip, I do believe that Charles is corralled - have just sent of an estimate request for a digital copy of the entry in the WO97 document.....
Cheers 8)
Anne
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Hi all!
Just an update - on Harvey W PEACE re some of the earlier parts of this meandering PEACE topic!
We got him! And, once again - it's all down to that clever Liverpool Annie ;D who found a random PEACE family on a Manifest, which led to an "unmatched 1841" census on my files - where he is listed quite clearly as "Henry" - though he eventually had a younger brother named Henry).
And now, thanks to Agnes1896 on this topic :
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=213679.new;topicseen#new
I have him, his parents and siblings in New York 1850, just abt 3 months after his Mother and younger children arrived in NY (Father and Harvey must have went a little ahead, though I don't have their arrival yet) .
And further more, I think this old Rootsweb topic does talk about his sister
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/peace/2000-05/0958230542
I just go to work out where his father fit in now! But i'ts all good!
Thanks RC!
Cheers
AMBLY
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If anyone ever comes looking for these PEACES - or any of you are interested ;D devlopments abound at:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=213866.new#new
Cheers
AMBLY
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Hello
I picked up your chat recently and thought maybe you would be interested to know that I am a Peace - my grandfather was John Peace (1847-1931) File Manufacturer of Sheffield. I can remember visiting the works as a young boy and as far as I recall the company was based in Algoma Works, Sheffield.
I have done a lot of family research and if I can help, please let me know. I intend visiting Sheffield this year to follow up my researches.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Jeff Peace
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Hi there Jeff
Welcome to Rootschat ;D
I have been away from Rootschat for quite some time - work & family, but your msg has lured me back in!
As far as I can work out, your Grandfather John must be my 2nd cousin, 4 times removed - that's if he is the one John PEACE, son of Samuel PEACE & Jane Maria HUKIN? Husband of Ann Clift HORNER? If so I think that makes us 4th Cousins, twice removed .
I go back this way:
Referring to: Samuel PEACE (above) - his parents, John PEACE & Sarah WELLS.....
John's parents were Samuel PEACE & Ann DAWSON who are my 5x Gt Grandparents
I descend from another of Samuel PEACE & Ann DAWSON's sons: George PEACE who married Sarah DARWIN, my 4x Gt Grandparents
One of Charles & Sarah's sons was: Charles PEACE (1822-1875) who married Ruth PEARSON (1826-1883), my 3xGt Grandparents
Of Charles & Ruth's children was:
Walter PEACE (1853-1915) who left Sheffield & eventually settled in Liverpool area, married Sarah Ann WORTHINGTON, my 2xGt Grandparents.
Walter & Ruth's daughter, Clara Florence Mabel Maud PEACE (1889-1937), was my Gt-Grandmother.
Look forward to hearing from you. Once you have posted a couple more public messages like your one above, we can confer via Private Message!
Kind regards
AMBLY
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Hi Cousin!
You've got it. My grandfather, John married Anna Clift Horner. I have all your ancestors in my family tree but do not know where the descendants are now. Am I right that you are based in New Zealand? I would be very interested to know of any Peaces in NZ. My sister emigrated to Australia so I have nephews & nieces there but I didn't know of any connection with NZ.
It's pretty late at night here so I'll get in touch again tomorrow.
With regards
Jeff P
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Hello Again
Thank you for all that information. I have now updated the Peace family tree on Ancestry.com so if you would like to have a look at it I can invite you as a guest or editor. The latter would be better as you no doubt have the descendants of Clara Florence Mabel Maude, so you could enter those details in the tree. Also if you have any photographs of the family, I would be very interested to see them and with your permission could add them to the Ancestry tree.
I look forward to hearing from you.
With regards
Jeff P
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I am researching Hukin and Peace names