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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Topic started by: Amy K on Saturday 20 November 04 16:32 GMT (UK)
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Where are your Welsh ancestors from?
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I entered GLA as well, but I'm not sure whether they originated from there. I have a feeling they moved there when the coal industry took off.
Still trying to find my John William, Coal Miner!
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Mine are all from Montgomeryshire - all agricultural labourers, weavers and spinners :D
Jan :)
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My children were born in what use to be Flintshire and between my family and my wife's family they have ancestors from all twelve of the other Welsh counties!
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The two places my ancestors seem to be from are:Edwards Hall, Glamorgan, near Cardiff, South Wales and Groesffordd, Isgeifigg Parrish, Flint Shire, North Wales.
Edwards Hall still a mystery to us, any information would be appreciated.
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Fathers line from Montgomeryshire.Mothers line from Flintshire.Later on the "Family Humphreys" seems to have spread out quite widely into Wales and beyond.
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Mother's side from Aberystwyth, with minor adjustments from Cornwall and Liverpool. Father's side mainly from Montgomeryshire but came to Taliesin and Talybont, Cardiganshire to work in the mills and associated trades. They then married locals in the surrounding countryside.
Cheers Dave
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Mine all Anglesey to start with
THOMAS - LLANBEDRGOCH, LLECHYLCHED (2 different sides)
WILLIAMS - LLANGRISTIOLUS
OWEN - HOLYHEAD, LLANFECHELL
GRIFFITH - CERRIGCEINWEN, ABBERFFRAW, LLANFAELOG
The the Thomas' and Williams moved to Caernarvonshire - Llandeiniolen and Clwt Y Bont
Carol
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Always thought my in laws were from Aberystwyth and Rhondda Fach. Came as a surprise to find their parents etc came from Somerset, Gloucestershire, Rutland and Berkshire. Not much Welsh ancestry at all.
Cheers Dave
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I'm still trying to find out where my Seymour line came from in Wales...so, I concentrated on the area where I have found the most with that surname...GLA
all I know is Seymour +Wales+ money !! and a grt grt grt granma who says she was from there.
wasn't long after though they moved to Gloucs, Notts, Yorks and finally settled in Lancs, Warwick..
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I though mine came mostly from Denbighshire but when I found great grandparents and further back, they are very much centred on the Berwyn Mountain range - Llangynog, Montgomeryshire in the south and around Llyn Tegid and Gwyddelwern, Merionethshire in the north. Mostly farmers, ag labs. Just one line blacksmiths and slate miners. They just seemed to merge on the Denbighshire/Shropshire borders in the mid 1800s.
Gadget
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Mine come from Momouthshire, Glamorgan, Brecknockshire, Cardiganshire and maybe Pembrokeshire.
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Hi Chenwill
As a matter of interest, in 1881 the greatest concentration of Seymours was to the northwest and west of London and west Hampshire followed by Wiltshire.
Have a look at http://www.spatial-literacy.org/UCLnames/default.aspx
Cheers Dave
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Mine is Thomas REECE/REESE/RECE/REES [and any other spelling from "Wales" 1841 census.
Where does one go from there?
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I guess the answer to your question is to begin by posting requests in RootsChat on the appropriate Welsh county board. You may strike lucky and find a kind soul who has access to Parish Records or other sources of information.
The next step is to contact the appropriate County Record Office or the National Library of Wales, which holds records for all counties.
The staff in each case I'm sure would be helpful and I don't imagine the search fees would be too extortionate!!
Best of luck, cheers Dave
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Montgomeryshire and Radnorshire for my Welsh side. The Joneses (who were smiths) and Mantles all around Llanbadarn Fynydd and Llananno and Llanbister; the Morrises and Woolleys from that little hotspot of Newtown.
RuthieB
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Williams,Edwards, of Carmarthenshire,
Jones,Vaughn Monmouthshire
Lewis,Thomas Carmarthenshire
Evans Pembroke
James Cardigianshire
Bevan, Wylde Glamorgan
Jordans Somerset and Devon
More Jones' Bristol
Elms Somerset
All came to the Valleys during the Coal rush
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How did you arrive in Lampeter, RuthieB? My father's people came from Carno and Trefeglwys, Montgomeryshire and I ended up in Aberystwyth (not now though) :)
Cheers Dave
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Mine are all scots and Irish but the other half is Welsh. Coalminers and tin platers from Carmarthenshire (Lewis), slate quarrier from Glamorgan (Jones), Ag Labs from Denbighshire (more Jones' and Evans), Ag Labs Merionethshire (Evans) and a Vicar who links south and north by moving from Carmarthenshire to Denbighshire!
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How did you arrive in Lampeter, RuthieB? My father's people came from Carno and Trefeglwys, Montgomeryshire and I ended up in Aberystwyth (not now though) :)
Cheers Dave
I'm From Middlesbrough myself (NE England) but I'm at the University in Lampeter where I stayed on to work after my degree. Some of my Montgomeryshire people (the Thomases I think) were from Trefeglwys and the Joneses reach back to Dolfor while the Owen(s) could well be Llandinam.
So many Joneses, so little time...!!
RuthieB
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and a Vicar who links south and north by moving from Carmarthenshire to Denbighshire!
Can I look him up in a Crockfords for you?
RuthieB
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Tell me about the Joneses especially the Johns and Marys :)
Cheers Dave (Jones)
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My mum was convinced that her father's side lived in Wales forever, but it turns out that although her dad was born in Cardiff his parents were from Torrington, Devon (Bissett, I believe thats a Scottish name) and Bristol (Roberts). Although the Bristol side were originally from Abergavenny.
Her mothers side were Israel's, which can be traced backed many hundreds of years in Glamorgan and Monmouthshire, but originally came from possibly Holland. All very interesting.
I keep telling my mum she's English really, not to happy with that! A proud Welsh Woman!
Regards
Kate.
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Think it would depend on where your Mother was born. I've got a motely collection of mixed nationality ancestors but I was born in Wales, therefore I am Welsh ;D
Gadget - but domiciled in Scotland
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She was born in Abergavenny along with my sister.
Kate.
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I always thought my father in law was of Welsh descent from Pentre, Glamorganshire. It came as a bit of a surprise to discover his parents were from south Gloucestershire and Bath, Somerset. Not 10 miles from where we've lived for 30 plus years ;D
Cheers Dave
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She was born in Abergavenny along with my sister.
Kate.
She's Welsh :D :D :D :D
Gadget
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Thanks for the Crockfords offer RuthieB but you have already done that for me. Cheers. I have found another one though if you'd like to try - Arthur Thoms Lewis at one time vicar of Ferndale, born 1893.
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Thanks for the Crockfords offer RuthieB but you have already done that for me. Cheers. I have found another one though if you'd like to try - Arthur Thoms Lewis at one time vicar of Ferndale, born 1893.
Thought I had after I'd posted!! Doh! - Will try Rev Lewis on Monday for you
Cheers RuthieB
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My lot are woodworkers and tailors from Pembroke, Some born at(not IN) Pembroke Dock. (IN Pembroke Dock sounds too wet!) Furthest back I can go for a certain date is Great Grandfather and first of the William Stevens/Stephens Mathiases who was born and baptised in Hubberston....Not HOBBERAAM, ANCESTRY.......with his father John and Mother Elizabeth.
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My Mum is a Kerfoot and always thought her dads family were Welsh through and through............. well they were until 1819 ish, when some of the Warrington Kerfoot boys bought farm land in St Asaph and surrounding areas.
From what I can make out there were no Kerfoots in Wales before this time so all the Kerfoots in Wales are from the same tree..................... ;D
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I too always thought my ancestors were Welsh, but so far its only my Dad and his Dad and some siblings.. lol... All born in Merthyr Tydfil. Turns out they seem to come from Suffolk !
Then it gets even funnier.. my mothers Bristol side of the family eventually end up coming from Suffolk too ! EEEK ! Wondering if I get far back enough they might be related somehow! :o
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Thanks for the Crockfords offer RuthieB but you have already done that for me. Cheers. I have found another one though if you'd like to try - Arthur Thoms Lewis at one time vicar of Ferndale, born 1893.
Wow - a really interesting one!!
Crockfords 1939
Lewis, Arthur Thomas. Educated at Fizwilliam Hall , Cambridge. BA 1923, MA 1926. Deacon 1919 St Davids for Llandaff; Priested 1920, Llandaff. Curate of Cadoxton-juxta-Neath 1919-23, Neath with Llantwit 1922-5, Aberavon 1925-9. Vicar of Christchurch Ferndale, Diocese of Llandaff from 1929. (Gross income 340/-, Net 295/- & House). Surrogate from 1929.
Crockfords 1965/66
(All the above plus...) Vicar of Christchurch Ferndale 1929-40; Resolven, Diocese Llandaff from 1940; Surrogate from 1929, Rural Dean of Groneath Upper (west) from 1955, Honorary Canon of Llandaff Cathedral 1958-62; Canon of St Nicholas in Llandaff Cathedral from 1962. Address: Vicarage, Resolven, Neath Glamorgan, tel: Resolven 354.
RuthieBx
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This is a shot in the dark :) I see you have an ancestor born in Hubberston. Would you by any chance know of the Grunnahs from Hubberston?
Sasha
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Thanks RuthieB. This is really useful! Arthur is the brother of William Henry whose info you looked up for me previously. Do you know what 'surrogate' means? Is it a sort of locum? Does it say when he died?
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A surrogate, according to my dictionary, is 'a deputy, such as a clergyman, appointed to deputise for a bishop in granting marriage licences'.
He doesn't appear in the Corckfords after 1965/6; I only had a quick look through the supplemental pages of the next two additions to see if he was in the deceased bit, but no. I suppose you'd have to see if you could find him on BMD somewhere.
Hope all this helps; pleasure to assist...
Ruthieb
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Hello, just look at that :)
My Great Grandfather, William Stephens Mathias was baptised in Hubberston, 1824.
We'll soon have a little Hubberston Club going here. 8)
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Thanks again RuthieB. I will look again at BMD now that you have given me a clue as to rough dates.
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Camarthenshire and Cardiganshire
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Staffordshire...Herefordshire...Ireland..! But mum and dad born in Monmouthshire.
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Carmathenshire, Cardiganshire, Denbighshire, and of course lots in Glamorganshire...have also got a few from Breconshire and Pembrokeshire.
Also some previous...from Gloucester, Somerset, moved for the coalfields, also Lancs, my grandad, and his mother from the elusive Ireland!
Cas :)
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Update on the Mathias of Pembroke Dock.... I think they must have had walking shoes or something.
There I was, thinking that all my lot came from Hubberston to Pembroke Dock.
Great Grandfather William Stevens Mathias might have been baptised in Hubberston, but his mum and dad had real itchy feet....
John Mathias from Slebech, married Elizabeth Griffiths from Lovestone in 1820.
First son baptised in Dale, second son (great grandfather William) baptised in Hubberston, daughter baptised in Steynton.
1841 census they are in Steynton, 1851 in Llanstadwell
Great Grandfather William married Martha John in Llanstadwell in 1845 and their children were all baptised St Mary, Pembroke Dock.
Their son William Stevens Mathias moved to Reading in Berkshire.
And there was me, thinking people didn't move around a lot in those days :D
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I have the following;
Conway-Flintshire.
Davies-Flintshire.
Edwards-Denbighshire/Flintshire.
Evans-Flintshire.
Gabriel-Denbighshire/Merionethshire.
Griffiths-Denbighshire/Flintshire.
Hanmer-Denbighshire/Flintshire.
Hughes-Flintshire.
Jones-Denbighshire/Flintshire.
Lea-Flintshire.
Newnes-Flintshire.
Parry-Denbighshire.
Roberts-Denbighshire/Flintshire.
Stephens-Denbighshire.
I have left out my Peak/Peake family whose origins are uncertain.
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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I had forgotten about this post and meant to have replied ages ago.
Anyway here goes:
My father's side seemed to have hopped backwards and forwards between Denbighshire and Flintshire. That is - Jones ( at least 4 families), Edwards, Tudor, Eaton, Williams and Davies.
My mother's family Owen (s) came to Denbighshire via Flintshire and originally Montgomeryshire. Also Benjamin, Williams, Roberts, Hughes , Wynne, Griffiths, Rowlands , Owen (again) , Howells and Pritchard. From Denbighshire , Flintshire and Montgomeryshire.
My only non Welsh born relatives besides one son and 4 grandchildren were from the Chester area which makes it a little surprising I cannot speak Welsh which I regret.
I am also researching Thomas , Jones, Griffiths, Williams from Caernarfonshire and Merionethshire for my wife which might make it a full set.
Anyway come on Wales tomorrow!!
Peter
Peter
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My Welsh side were also bouncing between Denbighshire and Flint. The Kerfoot clan went to that area from Warrington in C1817 and bought farm land there, The lads married local girls who were Jones, Evans, Hughes, Roberts et al.
Kerfoot was not a name in that area before they arrived, so I know that any Kerfoots in Wales are in my tree somewhere
I believe that there are a few Kerfoot-Jones, Kerfoot-Hughes & Kerfoot0Roberts knocking about
I know that Nerys Hughes (actress) is actually Kerfoot -Hughes
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Things are getting even better...
Not only do my family seem to have come from all over Pembrokeshire, but have just found that the other side of the family originated in Wrexham....and there they were thinking they were Irish....with a name like Jones ???
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Goodness, Paula you might be related to me :o :o :o
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Only Welsh relative I have found so far is my GGGGrandfather John Beard b 1799 Monmouth
He married Elizabeth Knight of Redbrook Gloucestershire and worked in a tin works before dying in 1880 in Wolverhampton
Willow x
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Ahhhhhhhhhhh, wouldn't that be nice, Gadget :D
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Or if your "lucky" Paula you could be related to me!
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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Now that would be luck ;D
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It might well be, Paula, because William might be able to get access to the 1841 Wrexham Town census :)
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He might indeed.
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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Here'sthe ref. William:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,305725.0.html
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I seem to be running round the board saying Thanks Gadget....
Thanks Gadget, may you never be bitten by midges again ;)
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Angle Village Pembrokeshire (where I grew up).
Paula Too (I live next to someone with the surname Mathias and I live in Pembroke Dock)
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Hi Lambkin,
My lot came down from, Slebech in 1820. jinking off to Dale, and then across to Llanstadwell( having children all the way) the next genetation moving to Pembroke Dock in time for my grandfather William Stevens Mathias to be born there in 1850. He had brothers Richard, John, David and James, and sister Caroline.
Some time after 1881 William left Pembroke for Reading, Berks, and the next sighting we have of him is in 1891, when he is in Basingstoke with Reading girl Harriet, merrily producing children, claiming to be man and wife, but not getting married until after returning to Reading and producing a few more children.
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I also have another friend whose surname was Mathias she is also from PD.
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Plenty of them still around there then, Lambkin.
I have no idea what happened to the rest of the family, as at the present I am concentrating on the direct line.
Nice to know I could still have some distant relations in that area.
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I have a feeling that one of them said that their ?grandfather was born in England somewhere.
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My uncle Sydney Albert Mathias (Uncle Bert) born Dec q 1894 went back to Wales, but he is the only one of the family to do so. I have no idea where he went.
It would be incredible if it was his family.
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My REES came from Tregaron, Cardiganshire, and were Master Stonemasons, and very involved in Town Council affairs.
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:'( I don't have a clue! :'(
Gt Grandfather Charles Glendower (Glyndwr?) Powell *edit: born abt 1830* has been defying me for years. The only real hint I've found is that he was a tinsmith! Even posting on multiple boards, here on RC where the most helpful people are ... hasn't really shed any light on him :-\
:'(
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Breconshire and going south. Arrival in Monmouthshire by 1901
mz
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David /Davies - Llandarrog, Llanelly, Carmarthen
Hopkin - Vale of Glamorgan
Harding family - Somerset,- Barry, Glamorgan
Having trouble with David family with name changing every so often to Davies and soooooooooooo many in Llanelly.
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Useful link for parish records for anyone searching in Monmouthshire
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~monfamilies/monprts.htm
I found John Beards parents on here!
Willow x
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My mum's family is mainly from Glamorgan ~ though one was from Carmarthen.
Many of the Glamorgan ones originated elsewhere ~ England, Ireland, Wales.
My Dad's family has 'Montgomery' connections.
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Mine are Phillips from Monmouthshire
Jones " " both as far back as ive gone.
Kelland " Devon
Gregory " Somerset
Morse " Wiltshire
Jordan " Midlands all ending up in the Newport area.
Phil.
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My GG Grandfather supposingly came from Pembrokeshire.
My GG Grandmother suppossingly came from Monmouthshire.
GG Grandpa on his death cert it says he was born Pembrokeshire but in the 1851 census it says he was born Monmouthshire.
GG Grandma on her death cert it says she was born Swansea Wales but in the 1851 census it says she was born in Abbervagenny Wales.
So I`m not really sure what is correct. ???
Supposingly my second cousin has their birth records but I have never been able to view these. I have asked to see them but always get the run around.Their records of birth are in a family bible as far as I have gathered.
Johngirl
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Only just found this post...
My Rees's all seem to have lived in & around Llangyfelach, (Swansea) & to have worked in the Copper & Tin Industries.
Also have Davies from Aberavon, - but don't know much about them...
And thats about it!
Romilly :)
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Just spotted this thread, bored and waiting to bored a flight...
I always thought once I got to my GGgrandfather he would have been english with a surname like charles (because it certainly isnt welsh!) but Im back to my Gx5 grandfather and all of my charles line are from Carmarthenshire around Llanelli way. :) truly land of my fathers! :D
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Just thought I would drag this post from the ashes ...
my family are Kerfoot... I have found that prior to the early 1800s they came from Warrington but I think that every Kerfoot in Wales is related some how to the Warrington chaps that bought farms and married local girls in Denbighshire/Flintshire unless some one can tell me otherwise :)
Cal 8)
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Been a long time, Cal....
Back to the mid 1700s and still in Pembrokeshire...vairous towns and villages...
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Been a long time, Cal....
Back to the mid 1700s and still in Pembrokeshire...vairous towns and villages...
Hi Paula
though this post needed an airing for new rooters.. I have 1700 envy btw ;-)
Cal 8)
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Came across a court case where one of my men held another chaps coat while he kicked a fellows head in...mind you, they were all pretty drunk by the sounds of it. All it took was a remark about someone having a bald head and off they went.
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Mine are Merionethshire,(quietest board here :'(), Caernarvonshire & Montgomeryshire.....with a move to Aberystwyth, of which I can never remember the County :-[
Just may have found some survivors of the Jason surname though ;D
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My ancestors came from Aberystwyth, Cardiganshire (mother's family) back to 1700s and Trefeglwys and Carno, Montgomeryshire (father's family) back to infinity and beyond.
I still regard Aberystwyth as being in Cardiganshire (Sir Aberteifi) although in my lifetime it has been in Dyfed and now Ceredigion!!!!
Dave
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My Welsh Ancestors all originate from Kerry - and to make it worse i have Davies's marrying Davies's......oh the headache when searching for people!!!! :-\
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Monmouthshire. And to be awkward, Morgan and Morgan.
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Came across a court case where one of my men held another chaps coat while he kicked a fellows head in...mind you, they were all pretty drunk by the sounds of it. All it took was a remark about someone having a bald head and off they went.
I believe that my line may have been drinkers and fighters ... I think that is why my grandfather moved away........ he was a teetotal ..
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my ancestors all seem to have originated from Denbighshire. My first was my mother Veronica Jones b 1910. Ifound a living relative of my mothers sister, but between us we have no trace of the father David Raymond a Shoemaker or other brothers and sisters, but we beleive the familt moved to the Liverpool area tto their grandmothers ,but not the parents.No death records of parents.
Graham.
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My paternal grandmother came from a small village called Angle which is in Pembrokeshire. My father was born there and I grew up there.
And here it is from the air
http://static0.casgliad.sequence.co.uk/Media/Items/000/000/004/896/Thumbnails/Thumb635x353.jpg?v=0