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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) => Topic started by: forsyth12 on Monday 22 January 07 06:01 GMT (UK)
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We are researching my husbands family, his great grandfather was George Thompson Moss b 1834, son of Richard Moss and Rebecca Crosdale of Leeds.
He married Elizabeth Ann Waterworth and they emigrated to Australia in about 1876.
Does anyone have any information on this Moss family or of Elizabeth Ann Waterworth who was also from Yorkshire. Unfortunately dont have her parents names.
Any assistance we would be very grateful to receive.
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1851 H0107/2317 folio 426 page 1 Holbeck Yorkshire
Hoggs Field
Richard Moss age 52 mechanic Born Holbeck
Rebecca Moss age 52 Holbeck
George Thompson Moss age 16 Wood Turner Holbeck
Matthew Moss age 14 Mechanic Holbeck
Peter A Kent lodge age 23 Flax dresser Shropshire
Pam
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Thanks Pam thats wonderful, thanks for your help
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9b 460 June quarter Holbeck Yorkshire
George Thompson Moss married Elizabeth Waterworth will show her father
1841 H0107/ 1344/10 folio 23 page 5 Holbeck Ward Reg district Leeds
Thompson Fell or Fold
Richard Moss age 40 Mechanic all born in county
Rebecca age 40
Mary age 15 dressmaker
Joseph age 13 Linen weaver
Richard age 10
George age 6
Matthew age 5
Pam
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Thanks again Pam, I will look up the marriage. Just received a copy of her death certificate today, but unfortunately did not have her parents names on it.
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1861 RG9/3363 folio 107 page 27 Holbeck Yorkshire
6 Dame Street
Rebecca Moss age 64 widow born Holbeck
George T Moss son unmarried age 26 Wood turner Holbeck
Martha Ann Moss grandaughter age 4 Holbeck
Pam
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1871 RG10/4523 folio 43 page 12 Holbeck Yorkshire
Hunslet Reg district
12 Dame Street
Rebecca Moss widow age 72 born Holbeck
George T Moss age 33 born Holbeck Wood Turner
death 1876 march Quarter 9b 329 Rebecca Moss age 76 Holbeck Yorkshire
Joseph Moss married Sarah Ann Dawson 1849 dec quarter 23 496 Leeds Yorkshire
1851 H0107/2317 folio 557 page 16 Holbeck Yorkshire
Ma??s Field
Lancelot Dawson age 48 Cloth Dresser born Gildersom Yorkshire
Mary Ann age 51 Bruntcliff Yorkshire
Joseph Moss age 22 son in law born Holbeck Machine Maker
Sarah Ann Moss wife age 22 born Bruntcliff Yorkshire
Pam
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Lots of Elizabeth Waterworths around
If you buy the marriage certificate with the fathers name and her age it will be easier to trace her.
51 H0107/2317 foli0 346 page 27 Holbeck Yorkshire
19 Miller Street
Sarah Rhodes age 51 widow born Hunslet
Nanny? Rhodes dau age 17 born Holbeck reeler at Flax mill
Richard Moss son in law age 21 Mechanic Holbeck
Sarah Moss wife age 20 Reeler at Flax Mill Holbeck
Henry T Moss age 6 months son Holbeck
Richard Moss married Sarah Rhodes 1850 sept quarter Hunslet Yorkshire 23 292
1861 RG9/3364 folio 107 page 17 Holbeck Yorkshire
10 Poritt Street
Joseph Moss age 32 Engine Smith Holbeck
Sarah A Moss age 32 Milliner and Dress maker Bruncliff
Richard age 8 Holbeck
Mary A age 2 Holbeck
1871 RG9/4524 folio 90 page 3 Holbeck Yorkshire
10 Poritt Street
Joseph Moss age 42 all born Leeds Tool fitter at work
Sarah A age 42 Dressmaker
Richard age 18 cloth warehouseman
Mary A age 12
Kate A age 9
George H age 6
Sarah H age 1
did Richard and Matthew go Australia before George by any chance?
1881 Wortley in Bramley
39 White Hall Road
Joseph Moss age 52 engine fitter Leeds
Sarah Ann age 52 dressmaker Bruncliffe
Kate Hannah age 19 sewing machinist Leeds
Mary Alicia?? age 22 woolen thread piecer Leeds
Clara Helen age 11 Leeds
1891 RG12/3672 folio 125 page 14 Holbeck Yorkshire
16 Annie terrace
Kate Annie Moss age 29 Tailoress Holbeck
Clara helen Moss sister age 21 Tailoress Holbeck
Clare Ellen Moss married Thomas Norman Gledhill 1893 9b 508 June quarter Holbeck Yorkshire
1901 Holbeck Wortley Yorkshire RG13/4209 folio 132 page 5
89 Durie? Street
Thomas Norman Gledhill age 30 House painter Holbeck Leeds Yorkshire
Clara Ellen Gledhill age 31 Holbeck Leeds
Harry Harrington Gledhill age 6 Armey leeds
Frances Ethel Gledhill age 4 Armley leeds
Kate Annie Moss age 39 sister in law born Holbeck Tailoress Machinist
Pam
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Hello
I have just noticed you have the death certificate,
what age do you have for Elizabeth and the year she died.
Pam
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Dear Pam
Sorry couldn't get back to you sooner. Went to pick up the grandchildren from daycare, took them to their home, had dinner when their Mum and Dad got in from work, and have been home and been out for our daily walk!
Elizabeth died aged 92 in 1949 which would have made her birth year c1857 in Yorkshire. We don't have any other information about her. Although my husband has memories of stories about her working in the cotton mills at aged 8, one week working and one week at school. The would walk home together and the middle one would sleep, supported by the other two.
No knowledge of any other Moss brothers coming to Australia, one brother of Elizabeths came and was know as Uncle Waterworth, and no knowledge of what happened to him.
We appreciate you assistance, we are quite new chums at this.
Regards
Sue and Ray
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Elizabeth was a few years younger that George
Cannot seem to find a family in 1851 with James, Jane ,Richard,Hannah and Alfred
Could be a marriage??James Waterworth married Jane Holdsworth sept quarter 1843 Leeds Yorkshire 23 261
Richard Thomas Waterworth born 1844 Leeds Yorkshire June quarter 43 465
1861 RG9/3364 folio 48 page 8 Holbeck Yorkshire Reg district Hunslet
21 Frost? Row
James Waterworth age 37 Shoe j? smith born Harewood
Jane age 43 born Rothwell
Richard T son age 17 born Leeds Wool cloth dresser
Alfred son age 13 Woolen Cloth Dresser Leeds
Hannah M age 11 Flax Mill Halftime? Leeds
Mary age 6 born Bradford
Elizabeth A Waterworth age 5 born Leeds Yorkshire
next page
William H Waterworth age 2 born Leeds
1871 RG10/4535 folio 61 page 8 Wortley Yorkshire
6 Whitehall Road
James Waterworth age 48 Blacksmith Harewood Yorkshire
Jane age 53 Rothwell
Richard Thomas son age 26 widower born Leeds cloth dresser
Mary age 16 born Bradford cloth weaver
Elizabeth age 14 born Leeds Woolen piecer
William Henry age 11 carper? born Leeds
Clara age 7 born Wortley
James Waterworth died 1879 March quarter age 55 Bramley Yorkshire 9b 295
1881 Wortley in Bramley
Reg district Bramley
address Nook
Jane Waterworth age 63 born Thorpe Yorkshire widow
Clara Waterworth age 17 Power and loom weaver born Wortley
Jane Waterworth died 1884 age 66 Bramley Yorkshire 9b 249 march quarter
Hope this is of some help
Pam
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Dear Pam
Thanks again for your help.
The blacksmith seems to be the right one, have had another look at the death certificate and under parents it has not known but has the words blacksmith.
Elizabeth was a lot younger than George, she was only 19 when they left England, and she was a widow a long time.
Where is the best place online to follow up all these leads with the details of which page to find them on?
Thanks again
Sue and Ray :D :D :D :)
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hello
The 1861 and 1871 censuses of James and Jane Waterworth are the same family 10 years apart
Wortley and Holbeck are around the same area.
The birth marriage and death certificates you can send on line to http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
First of all send for the certificates you are sure of like Elizabeths marriage certificate.
The census information that I have looked up on line is from Ancestry I am a member.
Pam
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HI
Here is the Waterworth family spelt with 2 T's on the 1851 census at 21 Lower Hanover Street West Leeds, Yks
James Waterworth 1824 Blacksmith Harewood
Jane Waterworth 1818 Leeds
Richard Waterworth 1844 Leeds
John? Waterworth 1847 Leek Staffordshire?
Mary Waterworth 1850 Leeds
Just checked the birth index and there was a John Alfred Waterworth bn in 1847 Leek Staffordshire.
Wendy
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:D Thanks for your help. I have ordered the marriage certificate for George and Elizabeth, so hopefully that will have her parents names on it to help us track that side of the family.
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Dear Pam
Just to let you know that we are making good progress.
The Waterworth family is the correct one thank you. The marriage certificate gave Elizabeth's father's name as Richard a machine smith of Holbeck. The certificate came to Perth from UK in under 10 days from ordering.
I have been going through my late father in law's album and it is making more sense now. Unfortunately he did not date items or give any real information. A real lesson for everyone to leave detailed records and not just 'four generations' or 'yours truly' as descriptions on photos and dates are a big help too!
Elizabeth Ann had a brother Richard who came to Perth and died here, he was known as Uncle Waterworth, my husband and his sister did not know his first name and the album only refers to him as Uncle Waterworth. However I have now done a search for a Waterworth at the cemetery and found Richard Thomas who died in 1921 aged 77.
In the last 24 hours I have had contact through GenesReunited from someone researching, George Thompson Moss, someone else researching Rebecca Crosdale his mother and someone researching the Waterworth family and is related to Mary Anne sister to Elizabeth and Richard. So with all that information to come we will make great steps forward.
Thanks again for your help to get us started in the right direction.
Kind regards
Sue and Ray
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Dear Sue and Ray
Very glad to hear you are in contact with others researching
same family as you.
It is a pleasure when things come together.
Would you believe I live in Perth also.
PAm
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Dear Pam
Very exciting news, Mary Waterworth came to Perth with her husband, we think maybe on the same ship as George and Elizabeth and her great grandson is living in Perth and we have made contact with them. None of us can believe it yet!
Regards
Sue
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That is marvelous news ;)
So glad for you.
Regards Pam
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I also have a Moss familt in Holbeck,
Thomas Moss, wife unknown
His daughter Hannah born 1855 she marries Arthur Shaw in1874 and in 1882 they emigrate
to Australia with their four children
Florence Gerturde Lilly, Ernest and Emma, who was my great grandmother.
They sailed to Sydney and ended up in West Australia.
Do you think there is any connection with the Holbeck Moss's mentioned in this message?
Kazz