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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Sussex => England => Sussex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Paul B on Friday 19 January 07 18:33 GMT (UK)
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I wonder if anyone can help, as I have hit a real brickwall on this one.
I have an ancestor, Fred Maskell born 1876 Brighton,Sussex and I can find him in the 1881 but not in the 1891 or 1901 census returns.
I am fairly sure he was illiterate, so this may be a problem in the spelling of his surname, but to go missing for two censi?
Any thoughts or lookup help would be appreciated.
Paul
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If he's an ancestor, then when/where was
(a) any marriage (if any)/
(b) any offspring (with names)
Pauline
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Censi - LOL
here is an interesting clue in 1891 Brighton - is Sarah (Fred's mum) Mother or Mum-in-Law - Walter is specifically Brother to Head ?
RG12/804; Folio 128; Page 13
59, Carlton Hill
Sarah Maskell 55 MOTHER ?Married? Washerwomnan Preston, Sussex
Walter Maskell 20 Brother to Head Farm Labourer Brighton
Edward Weller 33 Head Labourer Brighton
Sarah Weller 32 Wife Washerwoman do
Caroline Weller 12 dau do
Edward Weller 9 son do
Annie Weller 3 dau do
Kate Weller 5/12 dau do
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Have tried the Weller route, Newfy - But Fred was born a Maskell ;)
I can't see his brother Joseph born ca. 1874 anywhere either ??? :-\
Death coverage on FreeBMD is very good for 1881-1891, just a few missing % in 1883. Have checked 1883 but didn't see them.
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nor Richard ?
Hmmmn - Boer War - tried Army records ?
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Tati, Newfy
Are you chasing the same family as well?
Paul
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If this helps, this is what I have on him,his brothers and sisters and his parents.
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William MASKELL (1831-1883)
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William MASKELL, son of Richard MASKELL (1801-1848) and Sarah BISHOP (1804- ), was born in 1831 in Ditchling, Sussex, England. He was baptised on 1 May 1831 in Patcham, Sussex, England. He appeared in the census on 6 June 1841 in Pyecombe, Sussex, England. He appeared in the census on 30 March 1851 in Patcham. The address was: Whitegate House. On 30 March 1851 he was a Labourer in Patcham. On 11 December 1855 he was a Labourer. On 11 December 1855 he was resident in Brighton, Sussex, England. The address was: 15 Queen Street. He married Sarah HERRIOTT on 11 December 1855 in Brighton. The address was: St Nicholas Church. He appeared in the census on 7 April 1861 in Brighton. The address was: 40 New England St. On 7 April 1861 he was a Brick Layers Labourer in Brighton. He appeared in the census on 2 April 1871 in Brighton. The address was: 11 Ivory Buildings. On 2 April 1871 he was a Labourer. On 28 November 1876 he was a Brewers Labourer. He appeared in the census on 3 April 1881 in Brighton. The address was: 21 Thomas Street. On 3 April 1881 he was a General Labourer in Brighton. He and Sarah HERRIOTT had marriage banns published. He died on 15 July 1883 in Brighton.
Sarah HERRIOTT, daughter of Henry HERRIOTT ( - ), was born in 1834 (calculated) in Preston, Sussex, England. On 11 December 1855 she was resident in Brighton. The address was: 15 Queen Street. She appeared in the census on 7 April 1861 in Brighton. The address was: 40 New England St. She appeared in the census on 2 April 1871 in Brighton. The address was: 11 Ivory Buildings. On 2 April 1871 she was a Needle Woman. She appeared in the census on 3 April 1881 in Brighton. The address was: 21 Thomas Street. She and William MASKELL had the following children:
William MASKELL (1857?- ). William was born in 1857 (calculated) in Brighton. He appeared in the census on 7 April 1861 in Brighton. The address was: 40 New England St. He appeared in the census on 2 April 1871 in Brighton. The address was: 11 Ivory Buildings. On 2 April 1871 he was a Scholar.
Sarah MASKELL (1859?- ). Sarah was born in 1859 (calculated) in Brighton. She appeared in the census on 7 April 1861 in Brighton. The address was: 40 New England St. She appeared in the census on 2 April 1871 in Brighton. The address was: 11 Ivory Buildings. On 2 April 1871 she was a Scholar.
Richard MASKELL (1860?- ). Richard was born in 1860 (calculated) in Brighton. He appeared in the census on 7 April 1861 in Brighton. The address was: 40 New England St. He appeared in the census on 2 April 1871 in Brighton. The address was: 11 Ivory Buildings. On 2 April 1871 he was a Scholar. He appeared in the census on 3 April 1881 in Brighton. The address was: 21 Thomas Street. On 3 April 1881 he was a General Labourer in Brighton.
Caroline MASKELL (1868?- ). Caroline was born in 1868 (calculated) in Brighton. She appeared in the census on 2 April 1871 in Brighton. The address was: 11 Ivory Buildings. She appeared in the census on 3 April 1881 in Brighton. The address was: 21 Thomas Street. On 3 April 1881 she was a Nurse Domestic in Brighton.
Walter MASKELL (1871?- ). Walter was born in 1871 (calculated) in Brighton. He appeared in the census on 2 April 1871 in Brighton. The address was: 11 Ivory Buildings. He appeared in the census on 3 April 1881 in Brighton. The address was: 21 Thomas Street. On 3 April 1881 he was a Scholar in Brighton.
Joseph MASKELL (1874?- ). Joseph was born in 1874 (calculated) in Brighton. He appeared in the census on 3 April 1881 in Brighton. The address was: 21 Thomas Street. On 3 April 1881 he was a Scholar in Brighton.
Fredrick MASKELL (1876- ). Fredrick was born on 28 November 1876 in Brighton. The address was: 18 Carlton Hill. He appeared in the census on 3 April 1881 in Brighton. The address was: 21 Thomas Street. On 18 May 1902 he was a Coal Heaver. On 18 May 1902 he was resident in Brighton. The address was: 21 Paradise St. He married Lydia DORRINGTON on 18 May 1902 in Brighton. The address was: All Souls Parish Church. On 1 August 1906 he was resident in Brighton. The address was: 19 Sloane Street. On 1 August 1906 he was a Coal Porter in Brighton. The address was: 19 Sloane Street.
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Are you chasing the same family as well?
Only to help you ;)
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wot Tati said - and you can update the above for Sarah H and Walter M with 1891 detail :)
otherwise,the other males are a mystery :'(
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Thanks for the interest. I just don't get it the whole family just seems to disappear.
I know that in 1902 he's in Brighton, as he marries there.
I think that the 1891 ref for Sarah may be onto to something. So will look those up.
Sarah is a bit of an enigma as well, as she doesn't appear on the 41 or 51. I am begining to think that the entire family has access to some sort of invisability cloak.
Just wish the coat had been handed down to my part of the family. Oh well the curse of being descended from the youngest member. ;)
Paul
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wot Tati said - and you can update the above for Sarah H and Walter M with 1891 detail :)
otherwise,the other males are a mystery :'(
Sarah Weller may be the sister of Fred.
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
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Marriages Jun 1878 (>99%)
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Burgess Rebecca Brighton 2b 424
Marsh John Brighton 2b 424
Maskell Sarah Brighton 2b 424
WELLER Edward Brighton 2b 424
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There's a death:
Richard Maskell
age 24 (3 years out)
Brighton Mar 1887 2b 145
The age is 3 years out but I can't see a Richard Maskell born ca. 1863 on census ???
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I had seen that one for Richard, but he is fairly consistant on his age across the years.
BTW, is the following alright for copyright/forum rules?
Birth
Date: 1860 (calculated)
Place: Brighton,Sussex,England
Source: [S46] Census 1881 Brighton,Sussex,England RG11-1080-31-7 (William Maskell)
Census
Date: 7 April 1861
Place: Brighton,Sussex,England
Address: 40 New England St
Age 7 mns
Source: [S270] Census 1861 Brighton,Sussex,England RG9-596-83-36 (William Maskell 1831)
Census
Date: 2 April 1871
Place: Brighton,Sussex,England
Address: 11 Ivory Buildings
Age 10 yrs
Source: [S453] Census 1871 Brighton,Sussex,England RG10-1077-45-31 (William Maskell 1831)
Occupation: Scholar
Date: 2 April 1871
Source: [S453] Census 1871 Brighton,Sussex,England RG10-1077-45-31 (William Maskell 1831)
Census
Date: 3 April 1881
Place: Brighton,Sussex,England
Address: 21 Thomas Street
Age 21 yrs
Source: [S46] Census 1881 Brighton,Sussex,England RG11-1080-31-7 (William Maskell)
Occupation: General Labourer
Date: 3 April 1881
Place: Brighton,Sussex,England
Source: [S46] Census 1881 Brighton,Sussex,England RG11-1080-31-7 (William Maskell)
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Right - but then we don't know who registered his death and said he was 24 ;)... I'm not saying it's him - I just wouldn't rule him out. :)
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True, and I can't find another Richard born in 1863 that fits either.
Still can't find Fred though :( and Sarah earlier on is still missing :( :(
However there is a bit more to add to the tree though :)
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Check Army Records for the missing males .... just searching on age, christian name and PoB doesnt reveal them, so they either got missed or were genuinely away ...
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Check Army Records for the missing males
What's the best site for these. Not had to do a UK search for Army Records yet.
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Post a request on the 'Armed Forces' Board .... or have a hunt around in the Ntaional Archives etc ... I'd let the experts on that Board try first ...
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1901 - Frederick is living with his sister Caroline Brooks
Rg13 926 F96 p36
Andrea
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Well done, Andrea !! :o 8) 8)
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Thanks for that Andrea. Thats definitly him, as it is the same address that he gives on the Wedding Cert.
One of the anoying things about ancestry.co.uk is that you don't seem to be able to go to an address in the census.
This means I can concentrate on trying to find him in the 1891 and Sarah in the 41/51.
Paul
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I found him by looking for every Fred* born in Brighton at about that time. It was mistranscribed but clear enough on the original. That method did not work for 1891 though!
Andrea
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excellent result Sillgen !
One of the anoying things about ancestry.co.uk is that you don't seem to be able to go to an address in the census
You can - but it aint easy !!! (Except for 1881, where the address is indexed)
and no, he wasnt with the Brooks in '91 - nor were they at the same address.
Discounting the military for now, that means that in 1891:-
- he wasnt using a DoB +/- 5 years of expected year
- Nor specifically Brighton as a PoB
- and maybe Frederick itself has been mistransed - and its not down as an F