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I'm am looking for information on my Great Grandfather Albert Edward Olsen. He emigrated from Sweden to the UK sometime prior to 1906.
He married Mary Elizabeth Coates at St Mark's (St Mark Street) in 1907 and they had eight children (Albert Carl, William Turi, George Edward [mr grandfather], Alan, Stanley, Norah (who emigrated to the USA) and Walter and Kathleen who died as infants.
My research on the Olsen line of my family has come to a dead end with Albert as I have only vauge info on him before he arrived in Hull.
I have search though the Naturalization Records in the national Archives in London and he is not mentioned there at all.
In this country he worked for the LNER from 1906 until his death in 1933.
If anyone can help, any info will be gratefully received.
Many Thanks ???
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Hi
Could this be your Albert, I found this on the 1901 census but you will have to pay to see further details
Albert Olsen, aged 18, born Sweden, Naturalized British Subject, census county Northumberland, civil parish Walker, occupation Shipyard Black Striker
Hope this helps
Bee
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Thanks, I'll check it out.
Do you have the page/folio number as then I can pop along to the Family Records Centre and have a look.
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HI,
The name Olsen has been bantered around with in my research for some time, I do not know what the link is yet, but the name (Togler not sure about this, but the christian name always sounded something like that!) certainly was somehow connected, a S E Olsen was witness to my grandmothers wedding, this was 4th June 1927. at that time addresses of my G/parents where Raywell Street and New George Street, both are in the Sculcoates district.
There is more to this than I have written, if you want you can contact me and I shall try to unravel more about it.
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Thanks, I'll check it out.
Do you have the page/folio number as then I can pop along to the Family Records Centre and have a look.
Sorry don't have page/folio, I just looked at 1901 census on line. I've just had another quick search of the 1901 and found the following Olsens
John aged 51 shipyard blacksmith
Carolina 50
Maggie 15 servant day girl domestic
Charles 13
All the above are born Sweden, naturalized British subjects and living in the civil parish of Walker, Northumberland
Don't know if theses are your Olsens but they might be worth checking.
Bee
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Thanks for the info Bee but I believe that is not the Albert Olsen I'm looking for. I popped along to the National Archives at Kew yesterday and trawled through the Naturalization records they have and I could not find an Albert Edward Olsen listed. I also have, in the past, looked though the electoral rolls held in the Local Studies section the Central Library, Hull and Albert is not listed until 1914 (and then only sporadically until his death in 1933).
I also checked his two marriage and his death certificates (which by chance arrived yesterday morning) and in 1901 he would have been aged between 22 and 25 (depending on which certificate you go by.
Mentioned on the certificates is that his father was called Carl Olsen and was a Deep Sea Pilot by trade.
Thanks again anyway.
WN
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Hi
I have been trying to find your Albert without success. I have checked out a few trees on Ancestry and seen that he possibly comes from Sundsvall. Do you have anymore info on him? If of course you have everything you need.
Ian
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Hi there.
The only information I have on Albert is that his Merchant Seaman book states he was born in 1875 in Sundsvall. The first voyage in the book is 22 Jan 1901 from Cardiff. His two UK marriage certificates state that his father was Carl Edward Olsen.
I have found a Fodelesbok entry for an Albert Edward Olsen born 1874 (christened 09/09/1874) in Gothenburg whose parents are Carl Edward and Carolina Olsen. Could this be him?
Thanks for looking.
Ian
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Hi
According to the 1911 census he was born 1880 in Sundsvall.
I will check the Gothenburg records.
Ian
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I have found a Fodelesbok entry for an Albert Edward Olsen born 1874 (christened 09/09/1874) in Gothenburg whose parents are Carl Edward and Carolina Olsen. Could this be him?
I am sorry to say that this Albert Edward died 2 months after his birth. The father's surname was Brandqvist.
Is it possible to see Alberts' Merchant Navy records?
Ian
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Hi Ian,
Just emailed the records to you. Looking through my records, I have found a 1911 census return for a Charles Olsen b. 1875 Sundsvall residing in Walker on Tyne with his family. I also have him on the 1901 census listed as an Able Seaman at sea on a ship. Unfortunately the name of the ship is blank.
Ian
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Thanks Ian
I have the images. Cheers.
Do you have a tree on Ancestry? I have found a couple of trees on Ancestry which I presume are correct.
The 1911 census for Albert has his family as:
Albert Olson 31
Elizabeth Olson 25
Carl Olson 3
William Olson 2
8 Skarbua Terres Kent St
Sculcoates
I presume this is your Albert?
If this is your Albert it states that he was born 1881.
Also, what connection do you have with Charles Olsen. Do you think they are related?
Ian
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Unfortunately the name of the ship is blank.
The ship's name was SS Linares from Newcastle with Nr: 88731
Ian
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Thanks Ian
I have the images. Cheers.
Do you have a tree on Ancestry? I have found a couple of trees on Ancestry which I presume are correct.
The 1911 census for Albert has his family as:
Albert Olson 31
Elizabeth Olson 25
Carl Olson 3
William Olson 2
8 Skarbua Terres Kent St
Sculcoates
I presume this is your Albert?
If this is your Albert it states that he was born 1881.
Also, what connection do you have with Charles Olsen. Do you think they are related?
Ian
The address should be 8, Scarborough Terrace, Kent Street, Holderness Road, Hull.
Carol
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Don't know if this is significant:
1881 Census:
53, Witty Street, Hessle Road, Hull
Oleson: Charles Peter...Head, Marr. age 34...b. 1847...Occ. NERY Engine Driver...b. Sweden
Oleson: Jessie Elizabeth...Wife...Marr. age 23 b. 1858... Dover...Kent
Oleson: Charles Ward...Son age 4... b. 1877... Hull
Oleson: Pauline...Daughter age 1... b. 1880... Hull
Charlton: Charles Henry...Boarder age 54 b. 1827...Gentleman B. Hull, Yorkshire.
Carol
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Hi Ian
Can you give me the names of the children with dates of birth.
I would also like to know if this family is your Albert from the 1911 census:
Albert Olson 31 Engine Driver born Sundsvall, Sweden
Elizabeth Olson 25 born Hull
Carl Olson 3
William Olson 2
8, Scarborough Terrace, Kent Street, Holderness Road, Hull.
Thanks
Ian
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I don't think he's talking to us Ian ::) ;D ;D ;D
Carol
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ummm.....
I daren't look too deep into this family in case they are the wrong Olsen family.
Also Ian, was Mary Elizabeth Coates maiden name Watts?
Ian
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Hi again Ian
A question: I am trying to work out why (if it is him) in 1911 he was born 1880 and in the book he was born 1875. I have to ask if you know that the sailor's book is your Albert's book?
Looking in Sweden in the books I cannot find a Carl or Karl Olsen or Olsson or an Albert anywhere. I must first know his date of birth.
Ian
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Hi Ian,
Yes, the book did belong to Albert as the copy was passed to me by one of his grandsons (my dads cousin).
Also, that is the correct 1911 census return for Albert, yeton birth, marriage and death certs the family name is spelt as Olsen, as it is on electoral rolls for Albert (how he managed to be able to vote if he was not a Naturalized subject is another mystery)
With regards to his year of birth, it is all very confusing. The Merchant Seaman book gives his dob as 1875 but his first marriage certificate of March 1907 gives his age as 28 (b.1879). His second marriage certificate of March 1931 gives his age as 55 (b.1876) and his death certificate of March 1933 gives his age as 56 (b.1877).
I remember reading somewhere on the internet that some records for Sundvall were destroyed in a fire, could Alberts birth record be one of them.
Many Thanks,
Ian
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Hi Ian
Thanks for that.
I have access to Sundsvall's records and they all seem to be whole. I have checked all births from 1871-1881 in Sundsvall with no success (even some outside parishes). I will have another go later.
Are you sure he was Swedish? I mean I have come across many sailors lying about their nationality. Olsen is very Norwegian. Also many sailors state their Seaman's Institute as their place of birth. But of course everything could be correct which at the moment is proving difficult to find any records in Sweden.
Ian
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Hi again
I found a tree on Ancestry and noticed the name Clay and Turi.
Where does the name Clay come from?
and do you know where the name Turi comes from. It is more often a male name in Norway. I searched the name Turi in the Swedish databases between 1860-1890 and did not get one hit as a male name. Not even as female name.
Ian
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Hi Ian
Can you give me the names of the children with dates of birth.
I would also like to know if this family is your Albert from the 1911 census:
Albert Olson 31 Engine Driver born Sundsvall, Sweden
Elizabeth Olson 25 born Hull
Carl Olson 3
William Olson 2
8, Scarborough Terrace, Kent Street, Holderness Road, Hull.
Thanks
Ian
No response ???
Carol
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Don't know if this is significant:
1881 Census:
53, Witty Street, Hessle Road, Hull
Oleson: Charles Peter...Head, Marr. age 34...b. 1847...Occ. NERY Engine Driver...b. Sweden
Oleson: Jessie Elizabeth...Wife...Marr. age 23 b. 1858... Dover...Kent
Oleson: Charles Ward...Son age 4... b. 1877... Hull
Oleson: Pauline...Daughter age 1... b. 1880... Hull
Charlton: Charles Henry...Boarder age 54 b. 1827...Gentleman B. Hull, Yorkshire.
Carol
Did I waste my time ???
Carol...From Hull
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Hi
I took a wee look for this Charles Peter Olsson. He married Jessie Elizabeth Ward.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2DPL-DHX
Ian
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I remember reading somewhere on the internet that some records for Sundvall were destroyed in a fire, could Alberts birth record be one of them.
I maybe wrong here but there seems to have been a lot of books destroyed in the fire. The books I have access to are from the parish Gustaf Adolf in Sundsvall. There must have been other parishes in Sundsvall. A pity really if that is the case. I will look around to see if there is something to find.
Ian
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Apologies for not replying to all messages. I didn't have email notification set up to let me know when a reply was posted to the thread but I do now.
Carol - I've come across the Oleson family from Whitty Street in the past but I can't find a link to my Olsens. Yes, the 1911 census you posted is my g-grandfather.
Ian - yes, I do have a tree on Ancestry (northcountryboy73) so the info that is in Ancestry originates from me. Clay and Turi do appear in my tree, I will expand on these names below and Mary's maiden name was Coates.
Albert may have been born in the Sundsvall region rather than the town but put Sundsvall as his place of birth for simplicity as it was the nearest town to where he was born - just a thought
Alberts children are as follows,
Gladys Olsen Clay b.27/11/1905. d.1987 Gladys was the result of a relationship Albert had with a Margeuritta Clay prior to marrying Mary
Albert Carl Olsen b. 09/09/1907 d.1985
William Turi Olsen b. 16/02/1909 d.1991
George Edward Olsen b. 14/06/1911 d.1982 (my grandfather)
Alan Olsen b. 04/11/1913 d. 30/06/1940 Dunkirk
Stanley Olsen b. 17/03/1915 d.1987
Norah Olsen b. 31/08/1918 d. 1987 emigrated to the US in the late 1940s
Walter Olsen b. b.29/07/1920 d. 1920
Kathleen Olsen b. 31/12/1923 d. 1924
Sundsvall has suffered three extensive fires; in 1721, 1803, and 1888. The last two caused serious damage to the parish records. Among other losses were the ministerial lists from before 1870, so that information on infant and child mortality, fertility, migration, etc. is unreliable for the period before that date. Some of the municipal archives were also destroyed by the last fire 1888.
Ian
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Having looked through my records, I did find that Leslie Winnard (Norah's husband) posted information on the FamilySearch site stating that Albert was born in 1884. I have posted the link below. I did try to contact Leslie but he had passed away and the letter was returned to me.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:1:MW35-YJN
Ian