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Amos and Betsy FARR still lost in 1861 - Bedfordshire Boy has searched south of Luton. John FARR and family have been found in 1841 see below. :D :D :D My GGGrandfather Amos Farr born circa 1830 in Luton, Pepperstock, Caddington, New Mill/Mile End, Luton, Flamstead according to census, married Betsy GODFREY. Probably in St Mary's Parish Luton Newtown or Chase St Thanks in anticipation. Jan ;)
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Sorry, this time the census says he was born in Hertfordshire!
1851 Census Index only
Luton HO/107/1757 184 En Dis 4 folios 416-758
Name, Age, Birthplace, folio No.
FARR
John 35 Hrt 477
Ann 30 LUT 477
Maria 9 LUT 477
Robert 5 LUT 477
Hannah 2 LUT 477
William 16 Bkm 478
Mary Ann 14 Ham 478
Rebecca 77 LUT 540
Charlotte 30 LUT 540
Jane 1 LUT 540
William 50 Hrt 583
John 13 Hrt 583
Eliza 12 LUT 638
Mary 19 Hrt 666
John 4m LUT 666
Mathew 18 LUT 682
Elizabeth 32 Hrt 741
Mary Ann 12 Bdf 741
William 11 Hrt 741
Sarah 17 Sry 701
Hannah 60 Hrt 750
Robert 28 Hrt 750
Mary 14 LUT 750
Amos 22 Hrt 757
Elizabeth 22 SHI 757 (Shillington)
Richard 2m LUT 757
Just looked at my map & Caddington and New Mill End are both very near the Hertfordshire border & just south of Luton with Pepperstock inbetween them next to Slip End, all just a few miles from each other.
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Hi Criggy,
Thanks for that. If I've found the right John in 1871, Amos' father was born and is living in Kingsbourne Green, Herts so I wonder if that is where Amos was actually born - it is close to New Mill End and Pepperstock. ;) regards Jan
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Hi Jan
Re our exchange on the Herts board I've checked 1851 Kingsbourne Green (and Harpenden) but John Farr does not appear, although there are a couple of other Farr families in KG; Francis Farr 40 and family, and George Farr 22 and family, both born Harpenden. Let me know if you want full details.
I'll try looking for Amos in 1861 in Luton, but from my reading of the position, and correct me if I'm wrong, you as yet have no firm link between Amos and the John in Kingsbourne Green in 1871.
Don't forget that more of Caddington was actually in Herts than in Beds so it would be interesting to see the full 1851 census entry to see if it expands on "Herts" and provides the name of a village as well. The poor fellow certainly seems to have had a problem with his birthplace! He doesn't appear on the IGI under Caddington, though, which has been extracted up to 1875, so possibly it's one of the other parishes he mentions.
Have you found Amos in 1871? I can't find him at all.
I'll let you know if I find anything
Regards
David
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Hi again David,
I eventually found Amos in 1871 under the bizarre Annis Fan - which was pure bad transcription as the original image looked like Amos Farr to me! You are right I don't have a firm connection between Amos and any particular John (it is the 1841 census I really need) it remains a puzzle. Thanks for your efforts. ??? Regards Jan
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Just posting some further info kindly sent by Waterfall
"What I have does not tell you what you really need......well I don't think so. I suspect that Amos was born at Pepperstock which comes under the parish of Flamstead in Herts. I have found in my own line that the parish of
Pepperstock,Caddington and Slip End are sometimes referred to as "Luton" on the census. My local library does not have the 1841 for Caddington/Pepperstock/Slip End or Luton. I have checked the 1841 for Flamstead but Amos is not on it which is another indication that he might be on the 1841 for Caddington.......or maybe Luton. Does he not say on his marriage who his father is? Anyway here is the full entry for 1851.
Luton, New Town.
Richard Godfrey, Head, M, 43, Gardener, Hts, Hexton.
Mary Godfrey, Wife, M, 43, Bonnet Sewer, Bds, Pegsdon.
Amos Farr, son in law, M, 22, Bleacher, Hts, Flamstead.
Elizabeth Farr, dau, 22, Bonnet Sewer, Bds, Pegsdon.
Fred Godfrey, son, U, 21, Bleacher, Bds, Pegsdon.
George Godfrey, son, 18, Groom, Hts, Hexton.
Sarah Godfrey, dau, U, 15, Bonnet Sewer, Hts, Hexton.
Alfred Godfrey, son, U, 12, Scholar, Hts, Hexton.
Amelia Godfrey, dau, 7, Scholar, Hts, Hexton.
Richrad Farr, G/son, 2 mths, Bds, Luton.
Luton, New Town
Hannah Farr, Head, Widow, 60, St/Plaiter, Hts, Harpenden.
Robert Farr, Son, U, 28, Farm Labourer, Hts, Harpenden
Mary Farr, dau, U, 14, Plaiter, Bds, New Mill End.
William Mileinou, son in law, M, 30, Lab Bricklayer, Bds, Luton.
Emma Mileinou, dau, M, 25, Bonnet Sewer, Hts, Kimpton.
Luton, New Street.
John Farr, Head, M, 35, Bleacher of Plait, Hts, Harpenden.
Ann Farr, Wife, 30, Bonnet Sewer, Bds, Luton.
Maria Farr, dau, 9, Scholar, Bds, Luton.
Robert Farr, son, 5, Scholar.
Hannah Farr, dau, 2, Bds, Luton."
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Hi.....that you should be so lucky.!! I had a shrewd idea as to where they might be in 1841 and there they were.........well think so. So up to you now.
1841 census.
East Hyde, Luton.
John Farr, aged 45, A/L, bn in County
Hannah Farr, aged 45, bn in County
Robert Farr, aged 20, bn in County
Emma Farr, aged 15, bn in County
Amos Farr, aged 10, bn in County
Matthew Farr, aged 10, bn in County
Mary Farr, aged 5, bn in County
I did have a quick look at East Hyde baps which only start from 1842 and looked up to 1851......got the following:-
11/10/1843 Martha d of John/Hannah Farr. East Hyde Hamlet. Labourer.
No others.
Burials at Luton St Mary (so I assume they moved from East Hyde to Luton after 1841..........Pepperstock in between.)
5/11/1848 John Farr, Luton , aged 58.
16/10/1857 Hannah Farr, Luton Union, aged 65.
Think this reiterates your assumption that Amos is son of John/Hannah.
Bye Susan
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Susan you are an even bigger star! :D :D :D Made my day. I suspect they moved about quite a bit (which is why Amos appears so confused) , possibly moving to Luton for work when John could no longer manage ag lab work for some reason. Death certificates are definitely the next step. Thanks again, :D :D :D Jan
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1861 census Lookup Complete?
RG9/1012 Luton Folio 105
Parish. Luton (St Mary)
15, New Town Road.
Amos Farr 1830 Pepperstock, Hertfordshire, England Head BLOCKER
Betsey Farr 1830 Pegsden, Bedfordshire, England Wife BONNET ?Sewer?
Richd Farr 1851 Luton, Bedfordshire, England Son
Fredk Farr 1855 Luton, Bedfordshire, England Son
Arthur Farr 1858 Luton, Bedfordshire, England Son
Alfred Farr 1860 Luton, Bedfordshire, England Son
Ebenezer Draper 1835 Luton, Bedfordshire, England Boarder DYER
Sarah Ann Newbury 1840 Hitchin, Hertfordshire, England Boarder Bonnet Sewer
Herbert Newbury 1861 Luton, Bedfordshire, England Boarder
Pauline
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Thankyou Pauline :D
I'm feeling guilty :-[ as I found them on Ancestry and was only thinking this morning that I should reply to this lookup to stop anyone else going to the trouble of finding them :-[. Cheers ;) Jan
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I am related to the George Farr mentioned in this post from Kingsbourne Green. He says he is born in Kingsbourne Green, Herts/Kingsman Green, Beds/Harpenden dependinging on which census you look at.
His father was James Farr married to Marth Briden (source IGI)
They had the following children in 1841
Jas Farr 29
Charles Far 26
William Farr 19
Henry Farr 16
George Farr 12
Sammuel Farr 9
George Farr married Ann Fitzjohn in Luton 1849
1861
1861 Census
Address Kinsbourne Green, Harpenden (next door to Wesleyare Chapel
Names Age Relation Job Born Other
Susannah Wood 50 Head Widow School mistress Kingsman Green, Beds N.b. she lived next door in 51
George Farr 33 Lodger Agric Labourer Kingsman Green, Beds
Ann 32 Bonnet Sewer St Albans, Herrts
Alfred 10 Kingsbourne Green, Herts
Lousia 8 Kingsbourne Green, Herts
Martha 6 Kingsbourne Green, Herts
Emily 4 Kingsbourne Green, Herts
Harry 2 Kingsbourne Green, Herts
Eliza Ann 6 mnths Kingsbourne Green, Herts
and by 1871
1871 Census
Address 18 Dudley St, Luton St Mary
Names Age Relation Job Born Other
George Farr 41 Head Farm servant Kingsman Green, Herts
Ann 40 Sewer St. Albans, Herts
Louisa 18 Sewer Kingsman Green, Herts
Martha 16 Sewer Kingsman Green, Herts
Emily 14 Sewer Kingsman Green, Herts
Harry 12 Errand Boy Kingsman Green, Herts
Eliza 10 Scholar Kingsman Green, Herts
Jane 8 Scholar Kingsman Green, Herts
Matilda 6 Scholar Kingsman Green, Herts
George F 5 Scholar Kingsman Green, Herts
Edwin B 2 Luton, Beds
Fredrick 1 Luton, Beds
William Farr 49 Uncle Lab Kingsman Green, Herts
I can post more info if anyone is interested.
Regards
James
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Hi James
Is it possible that James, George's father, could be brother to my John born circa 1790 baptised in Harpenden in 1797 mother John and Ann? Will let you know if I come across any definite links.
Jan ;)
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I would be interested to find out. Ive tried looking at the IGI indexes for the Farr family pre 41 census but have not got very far yet.