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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: ladybird on Monday 08 January 07 08:51 GMT (UK)
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Hi
I have a John Newton married to Christian Greaves 10/8/1793 at St Johns, Newcastle.
According to the IGI amongst their several children is one Richard Burden Newton b 9/5/1805, St Johns, Newcastle.
Now it's possible that this Richard had a family name (Burden) for his middle name...working on that premise (is that the right word?) there is a marriage for a James Newton and Catherine Burdon at St John Lee on 6/1/1757.
Possible parents for the first John????
Not knowing the geography of Newcastle parishes, can anyone tell me please if this is a possiblity?
:) Sylvia
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Sylvia,
Parish of St John Lee is well out of Newcastle. In fact about halfway between Newcastle and border with Cumberland.
Nearest town ( but separate parish) would have been Hexham.
(www.genuki.org.uk , in the Northumberland section has "live" parish map... a click on any parish will return the A-Z of that parish)
If John and Christian had been following the convention
(is that the right word.. LOL ) of the day... the English Naming Pattern.. they would have called their first son and second dtr after John's parents, and their second son and first dtr after Christian's parents ( but infantile deaths fudge this "backwards" detection.)
Michael Dixon
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Thanks Michael, I knew you'd know ;)
Ok 1st 4 children in order are
William
Louisa
Elizabeth
Thomas.
other children Isabella and Richard.
Christian's parents were William and Elizabeth.
So possibly looking for John's parents as William and Louisa or Thomas and Louisa.
Hmmm? Louisa is not a name that's come down through the Newton families I've found so far.
Back to the drawing board methinks
Sylvia
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Sylvia,
How soon after their marriage, was William born ?.
I will have a look at St John's (Newcastle) parish records for their marriage. You might be lucky or not. It might say
"John, native of xyz parish" or just " John OF this parish" or even just "John"
Michael Dixon
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Thanks Michael
John and Christian married 18/08/1793, St Johns
William born 27/11/0793, St Johns
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Just realised there's a large 4 year gap between William and Louisa, so possibly 1 or 2 deaths in between.
At work at the mo, so will catch up later
many thanks Sylvia
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Ladybird,
Here is what the IGI is not going to tell you.
Richard Burdon Newton, born 9 May 1805, baptised 4 Aug 1805, 3rd son of John Newton, Woolen Draper, native of Gateshead Parish Durham, by his wife Christian, daughter of William Greaves, native of All Saints
Isabella Newton, born 6 July 1803, baptised 31 July 1803, 3rd daughter of John Newton, Linen draper, native of Gateshead, by his wife Christian, daughter of William Greaves native of [blank].
Elizabeth Greaves Newton, born 24 July 1798, baptised 26 Aug 1798, 2nd daughter of John Newton, linnen draper, native of Gateshead Durham, by his wife Christian, daughter of William Greaves, navtive of Parish of All Saints in this town.
John Newton and Christian Greaves were married by license. wit John Kell and William Burn [frequent witness]
Janis
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Aaaahhhh!! Thank you Janis, wonderful ;D
That explains a lot of things with this family.
There always seemed to be a lot of moving backwards and forwards, a bit hard to get a handle on them at times.
Now...off to find John, Linen draper...hopefully :)
cheers and thanks again, Sylvia
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Just wee snippet...
Thomas Greaves Newton, born 3 Oct 1800 bapt 2 Nov 1800... his maternal grandad William Greaves, is "native of Quayside, All Saints parish"
Michael Dixon
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Thank you Michael, every little bit helps ;D
Sylvia
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St John Lee is level with Hexham just off the Bye pass A69. My father was hospitalised there at St Comelias in the 1940s
John Dixon
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St John Lee parish near Hexham 6th Jan 1757 Marriage James Newton of Newbrough to Catherine Burdus of St Oswalds on the Wall witnesses the psh clerk and John Burdis
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Peter
Ladybird will find that a good find. It looks like her father or brother was witness?
John Dixon
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My apologies for the delay guys, my dear old Mum died and we had her funeral on the 29th Nov. It's taken me a while to catch up with things.
John
Do you think it's possible that this James Newton and Catherine Burdus are the parents of my John?
I have these as notes on my tree programme....
IGI possible baptism..........
JOHN NEWTON
Christening: 12 JUN 1759 Heworth, Durham, England
Parents:
Father: THOMAS NEWTON
Familyhistoryonline entry...........
???1. Parish Whickham, St. Mary County Dur Married on 30/01/1747 Groom Thomas Newton, Bride Mary Hunter
Sylvia
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Dear Sylvia
Im not a professional researcher but I do have a good knowledge of the NE having lived there for 70 years. St Oswald is Cof E and an early Christian Church stood there since 6 century. This current is the 3rd on the site the church is at Heavenfield nr Hallington Hall nearest town is Corbridge. Your folk come from Heworth and Whickham. Heworth is about 6 miles SE of Newcastle on the Gateshead side. Whickham is about the same dist. SW if Newcastle Whickham and Corbridge maybe 14 miles apart. Your assumption is possible. Certainly the names match up.
John Dixon