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Title: Charles Lilley look up 1851 census pls
Post by: julie g on Saturday 06 January 07 18:32 GMT (UK)
Hi,
  Can anyone help me find Charles Lilley born about 1832/33 in either Birchholt, Brook or Brabourne ( depending on which of the later censuses you look at) on the 1851 census. He married in 1852 so am hoping he was still at home in 1851 as i would like to find out who his parents and siblings were. He married Mary Ann Woolley in 1852 also born 1832/33 and any details of her parents would be great too. She was born In Maidstone i think.
many thanks
Julie
Title: Re: Charles Lilley look up 1851 census pls
Post by: Necromancer on Saturday 06 January 07 18:41 GMT (UK)
Looks like you may need to go back to 1841 ...


A Brabourne Chas is a bit younger - born 1844, but this lad matches your age stated ...

1851 - HO107/1622; Folio: 191; Page: 2 - Bircholt

 
Pheobe Morley 74  Wid Head Farmer
John Morley 45  son
Mace Morley 42  son

Charlotte Hayward 23  serrant
Charles Lilly 19  Farm Servant Bircholt
Title: Re: Charles Lilley look up 1851 census pls
Post by: MaryA on Saturday 06 January 07 18:43 GMT (UK)
Unfortunately ....
Farm House, Bircholt, Kent
Phoebe Morley (Farmer) and her sons and Charlotte Hayward, House Servant
Charles Lilly Servant U 19 Farm Servant Kent Bircholt
HO107/ 1622; Folio: 191; Page: 2
Title: Re: Charles Lilley look up 1851 census pls
Post by: bearkat on Saturday 06 January 07 18:46 GMT (UK)
Or how about this one?

HO107/477/11 folio 28 page 8
 1841 living at Chapelbrow, East Brabourne an ag lab aged 25
with Rebecca aged 25 and George 2 all born Kent
probably too old??
Title: Re: Charles Lilley look up 1851 census pls
Post by: MaryA on Saturday 06 January 07 18:46 GMT (UK)
The only one listed in 1841, you may know better than me whether the area might be correct, and also if you have his father's name that might confirm.

All born in County
Nackholt, Wye, Kent
Mark Lillee 40 Ag Lab
Elizabeth 40
Sarah 12
James 10
Charles 8
Charlotte 6
Jane 4
Thomas 2
Harriot 20 months
HO107/476/13 23/4
Title: Re: Charles Lilley look up 1851 census pls
Post by: Necromancer on Saturday 06 January 07 18:54 GMT (UK)
Wye is in the wrong Hundred, I'd also expected it to be PIECE 477 - but it is same Regn District of East Ashford - looks good I'd say.

As Mary says, if you have the marriage Cert, is his father Mark ?

HO107/476/13 - Wye
Registration district of East Ashford 
Folio: 23 
Page: 4 
Title: Re: Charles Lilley look up 1851 census pls
Post by: julie g on Saturday 06 January 07 18:56 GMT (UK)
Many thanks to all of you for looking Charles up for me. I don't know his parents names but have ordered a marriage cert which i am hoping will show his father. I shall keep the details of the family that Mary has found on the 1841 as it is a big possibility that this is the right family as Wye is a few miles away from Bircholt and Brook.
Thank you so much again for your help.
Julie
Title: Re: Charles Lilley look up 1851 census pls
Post by: Necromancer on Saturday 06 January 07 18:57 GMT (UK)
Same story for Mary Ann in 1851 .

HO107/1622; Folio: 86; Page: 19 - Aldington Kent

In the Service of a Phillip Getts, Farmer.
Title: Re: Charles Lilley look up 1851 census pls
Post by: julie g on Saturday 06 January 07 19:18 GMT (UK)
Just my luck! Thanks for looking anyway.
Julie
Title: Re: Charles Lilley look up 1851 census pls
Post by: Necromancer on Monday 08 January 07 09:47 GMT (UK)
keep us posted !
Title: Re: Charles Lilley look up 1851 census pls
Post by: julie g on Tuesday 09 January 07 16:14 GMT (UK)
Will do! Thanks again for all your help. I have ordered the marriage cert for Charles and Mary and that should arrive by the weekend hopefully.
Best wishes
Julie
Title: Re: Charles Lilley look up 1851 census pls
Post by: julie g on Thursday 11 January 07 18:57 GMT (UK)
Have received the marriage cert for Charles Lilley and Mary Ann Woolley and can confirm that his father was Mark, a labourer and her father was John Woolley a glover born in either Donnington or Bonnington, it is hard to read the writing. If anyone can help me find John Woolley on the 1851 census that would be wonderful.
many thanks
Julie
Title: Re: Charles Lilley look up 1851 census pls
Post by: Necromancer on Friday 12 January 07 09:37 GMT (UK)
1841 - Mersham parish

HO107/474/7
Registration district  East Ashford 
Sub-registration district  Brabourne 
Folio: 18 
Page: 4


'Bell House' (divided into 3 dwellings ..

All born in county
 
John Woolley 30 + GLOVER +
Caroline Woolley 25
Mary Woolley 8
Caroline Woolley 6
Elizabeth Woolley 4
Susanna Woolley 2
Walter Woolley 0
Title: Re: Charles Lilley look up 1851 census pls
Post by: Necromancer on Friday 12 January 07 09:44 GMT (UK)
Looks like John was gone by 1851, and Caroline had remarried ...

HO107/1622; Folio: 69; Page: 4 - Bonnington
 
John Hook 39  Head Ag Lab Tenterden
Caroline Hook 35  Wife Dymchurch
Jane Hook 3  dau Mersham
Elizabeth Woolley 14  Wife's dau (stepdau) Mersham
Susaner Woolley 12  do Mersham
Title: Re: Charles Lilley look up 1851 census pls
Post by: julie g on Friday 12 January 07 22:50 GMT (UK)
Thank you so much again for your help with both the Lilley and Woolley families. This info has been really helpful.
Best wishes
Julie