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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Kent => Topic started by: hartryyrtrah on Saturday 06 January 07 18:18 GMT (UK)
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My Grandfather never new his father. I'm not quiet sure when his dad(Hammond) left but he never new what happened or where his father went. My grandfather was born in 24 Sep 1909 in Goudhurst and grew up in Rock ave Gillingham. (I know his dad lived in Gillingham for a while.)
Hammond was born in Goudhurst Mar 1880 he is listed as a Saddler when he married Ellen Caroline Wyatt 12 Dec 1908 in Gillingham.
I have a medal believed to have been his with the following inscription
South African War Campaign Medal from 1901
J.Johnson 4549 Saddler
53 Company Imperial Yeomanry
Wittibergen, Cape Colony, Transvaal
His dad James Johnson lived in Marden and was also a saddler. They also had connections to New Romney and Ninfield in Sussex.
I seem to know a lot about him I even have a couple of photos but I don't know what happened to him.
Can anybody help?
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Hi there - and a warm welcome to RootsChat!
The "Court Circular" in The Times, 27 June 1918, listed those officers who had been presented with their medals by the King on the previous morning. Among those who had been awarded The Military Cross was one Captain Hammond Johnson of the Canadian Field Artillery.
A long shot, I know, but maybe worth investigating?
Dave
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Thanks
I've tried looking this Hammond up on a Canadian Web sit and although he is mentioned there is no date or Place of birth.
I hadn't thought about him emigrateing so maybe I'll follow this individual and thegeneral idea up.
Paul
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Hi there
I do not think that the Hammond Johnson you are looking for is the one that lived in Canada. He was living with his family at Prince Edward Island Charlottestown at the time of the 1911 census in Canada, a student aged 19. He passed through New York on his way back to P E I Charlottestown on the 19 July 1918 aged 26 years 3 months, no doubt on his return from the medal presentation as he was listed as a soldier. This Hammond Johnson's parents were Harry and Erina although Harry and all his children were English and Erina was Scottish.
Rehards Heather
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Hi Heather - thanks for that! It's useful to narrow down the possibilities.
Paul - I hate to suggest it, but the logical step would be to trawl through the GRO Deaths Indexes from c1909 to see if you find him. Another idea would be to search the electoral registers for the local area from around the same date. If Hammond abandoned his wife and family for some reason, he might not have strayed far. No doubt you are looking forward to the 1911 Census becoming available!
Dave
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Thanks
I think he might still be with them in 1911. I did wonder about spending £45 checking the address I believe they would have been living at. What I realy want is the 1921 Census to find out if he was still alive and in England after the War.
Paul
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This is a possible death for Hammond
Hammond Johnson
January Quarter 1948 Wandsworth Registration District
Ref 5d 712
aged 70 years
From the GRO deaths
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Wow - well done Heather! - that certainly looks like our man. The name 'Hammond Johnson' is pretty uncommon and although the age is a little bit wonky (he should have been a year or two younger) it's well within an acceptable margin of error. FreeBMD indicates only one birth registration in the relevant period - Hammond's birth in 1880!
Paul - Needless to say you should get a copy of this death certificate! It will tell you where he was living at the time and therefore give you a point of reference for any electoral register searches. Hopefully, the informant will have been a relative so you may be able to take back-bearings from that as well.
Best wishes
Dave
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Yes thank you
Heather
I will certainly be getting a copy of that certificate. At least 1 of the interesting things will be seeing who registered the death. Can I ask how you traced it, do you have a CD or was this from an online site.
Also Dave you mention checking the electoral registers are they available online or via some other route?
Paul
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Hi Paul
This may not be the Hammond Johnson you are looking for but I found this marriage, (lucky you are searching for someone with an unusual name!)
January Q 1919 at St Geo H Sq (probably St Georges, Hanover Square)
Hammond Johnson and Edith Gay
ref 1a 925
Good luck with the birth certificate, let us know how you get on.
regards Heather
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The GRO birth/marriage/death indexes (from 1837) are currently available online (free to view) http://www.ancestry.co.uk - choose the Complete BMD Index ranges & Images 1837-1983 option
There is an index (1837-c1915) although not yet complete http://freebmd.rootsweb.com
Casalguidi
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Thank you again
Heather
If this marriage is my G Grandfathers second marriage then is it worth me looking for a divorce from his 1st wife and if so where do I look.
Paul
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Not sure, but this might help
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/Leaflets/ri2289.htm#2
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Thanks
Paul
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Have received both Marriage and death certificate and they match. Each other that is unfortunately the Fathers name is wrong on the Mariage and the profession is wrong on both of them.
Paul
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1881 census has him as 1 year old.
Father James and Mother Frances N, at West Road, Goudhurst.
There was another Hammond Johnson in 1881 aged 3, born Oxford, living in Battersea.
Another Hammond Johnston born 1884 in Cheshire, father Carruthers Johnston.
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Thanks Eyesee
I'm fairly sure of him up to the birth of my Grandad in 1909 but after his marriage broke up I have no idea what happened yo him.
Paul
ps I expect that the 1 born in Oxford is the other 1 we found.
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there is a family in the us that has a couple of Hammond Johnson names in it .The last one was born in 1974named after grand fother hammond a johnson
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I've noticed some in th US, could you let me know where you found this family.
I now know that my Hammond was living with his son my granddad in Gillingham in 1911,
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hammond johnson D.O.B. may 6 1911 I don't know much about him or what happend to him he did live in california in the 1930's(LA.)i think the first jonson came here was lars jonson maybe, i don't know how he spelled lars my father never had a chance to tell me much .this is my first intrestnow that i have children i want to be able to teach them
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Ham-bone
I think that Lars is a scandinavian name, possible German. My GGGG Grandmother (may be 1 out) was called Mary Hammond. My Great Grandfather was named Hammond after her family, as was one of his Great uncles ( born 25 Jan 1813 New Romney, Kent)
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I did a web search about 15 years ago on the name and found two others in the us one is a young man down south texas maybe and one was a older man up north and then ther is me and my grandfather never knew him or much about his family history i wish that i new more.
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you must check records and use type o's miss spell hammond on purpose becouse I get my name mis spelled all of the time on every thing sometimes poeple think its spelled wrong and think think they can fix it when it was right the first time it happens all the time on all kind of records and licenses its a pain but it hapens more often than not
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i found your msg when surfing have never used a site like this so apologies for any errors. We may be distant cousins. Hammond was my grandfathers older brother. My grandfather was also a saddler and harness maker born in Goudhurst and his parents were James and Francis N (as her maiden name was norrington) Hammond had siblings called Harry,Sydney, Nellie (died17) and I am told Harrold although that sounds strange if there was already Harry. Hammond married Nellie I suppose this could be Ellen. I was told that Hammomd was known as the black sheep of the family and emigrated to Canada. I have not checked any of this on the census this info from my dad and aunt, his nephew and niece. I also have photos so would be interested to see yours.
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Thanks for this, I have 6 sons and 1 daughter for James and Frances. I'll PM you an email address.
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I have a medal believed to have been his with the following inscription
South African War Campaign Medal from 1901
J.Johnson 4549 Saddler
53 Company Imperial Yeomanry
Wittibergen, Cape Colony, Transvaal
The recipient appears to be named as a "John JOHNSON" 4549, a saddler of the 53rd company (East Kent) 14 btn Imperial Yeomanry and also mention of the 2nd East Kent Imperial Yeomanry.
I would have thought that he may have been in great demand by the army for WW1 and, besides, much less work "at home" as so many horses had been requisitioned for use by the forces :-\
Useful to know perhaps that he may have used the name "John" at times ???
Casalguidi :)
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All the other records in the uk for him use hammond, and I hope he isn't using John as my chances of finding him even in the UK would be very low. :(
I'm not sure that saddling was going that well in the UK by then as his brothers seem to have been moving into other leather related work.
Paul