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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northamptonshire => Topic started by: mhrjh14 on Monday 01 January 07 16:56 GMT (UK)
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Hello there, I am looking for the baptism of Adolphus Grigson, born Brackley c. 1823. Parents were Thomas William Grigson and Mary Ann. Any information about this, siblings, Mary-Ann's maiden name etc very gratefully received.
TIA
Maggie :)
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Hi Maggie :)
Welcome to rootschat.
It could well be HAWKES as a Surname for Mary Ann.
Will P.M. more information in a moment.
Sandy
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Hi there, this looks like the same Adolphus Grigson that im looking into. Did he marry Catherine Burke ?
and did they also have a son named Adolphus ?
Cheers
Steven
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Hi
FreeREG:
24 Dec 1822 Adolphus s. of Thomas Grigson & Mary Ann, Brackley, St Peter, bap. Parents abode: St James, Brackley.
FreeBMD:
Q2 1849 Adolphus Henry Grigson & Catherine Burke, Dover, mar. V 5, P 183.
Geoff
NB This relates to an old post.
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Hi.
The baptism of Adolphus took place at Brackley P.C. 24 Dec 1822
to Thomas and Mary Ann.
Thomas was noted as a Stationer.
Sandy
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There is this possible marriage on the Northants Marriage Indexes.
Sulgrave By License
16-Apr 1816
Thomas William GRIGSON otp to Mary Ann HAWKES otp
Sandy
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There is also a child named Frances who dies aged 10 and is
buried at the same Church on 05 Jun 1830.
There is no headstone in the Churchyard.
Sandy
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Hi Steven
Something kept bugging about this family...
I also realised you asked if Adolphus and Catherine had a son named Adolphus - the only birth I can find within the time-frame is, FreeBMD:
Q3 1853 Adolphus Wellington Grigson, Plymouth. V 5b, P 240.
Adolphus and Catherine were in cheshire/Lancashire in the early 1850's and there are Grigson's in Devon around that that time. Would require more research.
I can see Adophus up to 1851 and from 1871 (with Catherine from 1851). I can't find them in 1861. Though the 1871 census states, daughter, Frances 15y was b. Ireland and sons; Henry 12y and Charles 10y were b. Sri Lanka (Ceylon). He was obviously serving abroad, being a soldier. Of course they may have had a son, Adolphus and may have died.
I can't find a suitable birth for Thomas (Adolphus' father) either. Looking at some of the unsourced material it would appear to be about 1800 +/- and possibly not England. However, this would make him about 16y if he married in 1816, I can see why Sandy suggests a possible marriage only.
Hope there is something here to help.
Geoff
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Hi
Just checked the 1851 census for Thomas Grigson, b. abt. 1799 Bencoole, India, makes the marriage a little more acceptable.
Geoff
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Hi Geoff & Sandy. I thought that I had this family almost cracked but not now. I'll explain further down the page.
Adolphus W Grigson and Catherine Burke are missing from the 1861 census due to Adolphus serving with the 50th Reg. of Foot over in Ireland and then Ceylon when it was taken and then returning home for them to appear in the 1871 census. Adolphus returns to be a printer back in civi street.
In the 1841 census, Adolphus(age 17) is staying with Thomas William Grigson and Pheobe Grigson (Willington). Pheobe being Thomas's 2nd wife. In the parish of St. Pancras, Middlesex. Along with James(age 15), Samuel(age 3) & John(age 1).
I had originally thought that Adolphus and James were from Thomas's first marriage and as later on in 1851 Census James is listed as the son of Thomas and I presumed that Adolphus was his son also.
I have just today received a copy of the marriage cert for Adolphus and Catherine Burke and it lists Adolphus's father as William John Grigson, occupation "Drawings Master" (well I think that is what it says).
It would have been better and tidier if it had Adolphus's father as Thomas :) but who said this game was easy.
SO.....My thoughts are that Thomas William Grigson(who Adolphus was staying with in 1841) is possibly the brother of William John Grigson (Adolphus's father according to his marriage cert)
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Hi Steven
Yeah, I trawled through the census' etc., there was something that didn't seem quite right about Thomas, hence my comment in an earlier post that 'something kept bugging me about this family' - The census' of 41, 51 and his 1st marriage didn't seem quite right.
I'll have another look later.
Geoff
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Hi
This latest news from the marriage cert. renders the FreeREG baptism of Adolphus suspect, naming Thomas as his father is therefore incorrect!
A couple of interesting bits:
1851 census, St Giles, Middlesex - HO107/1509/133/7
William John Grigson aged 30, b. abt. 1821 Bicester, occ. printer.
Eiza 24, b. abt. 1827 Bloomsbury
Interesting place and occupation!
FreeBMD, death reg:
Q3 William John Grigson, St Giles. V 1b, P 284. The parish register gives his age as 36y and abode as 25 High St, Bloomsbury. Could be a sibling of Adolphus, given Bicester only a few miles south of Brackley, assuming he was born there.
FreeBMD, death reg:
Q1 1880 Thomas William Grigson aged 84, Islington. V 1b, P 292. This gives a birth age of 1796, even more credible for the marriage to Mary Ann in 1816.
Unsure if this marriage has any significance, apart from the St Giles connection.
4 Jun 1799 William Grigson, b. & Ann Hawkins, w. St Giles-without-Cripplegate, mar. Wit. James Gillingham & P Barry.
Geoff
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Hi
An update on, William b. Bicester...
Source, IGI:
14 Jun 1818 John William Grigson s. of Thomas William Grigson & Mary Ann, Bicester, bap.
Geoff
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Hi Geoff, Is there a way to see a copy of the original baptism record for Adolphus?
If this does state that the father was Thomas William Grigson. We can presume that we are either looking at 2 different Adolphus Grigsons one whos father is Thomas and the other having William as his father. (Adolphus Grigson appears to be such a rare name that I doubt this to be the case)
OR.....could Thomas William Grigson and William John Grigson be the same person?
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Hi Steven
I'm not familiar with the Northants records, I suspect you will have to visit the records office, unless someone with more local knowledge has any ideas. This may help > http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/brackley.html
If I was pushed, I would say that Thomas W and William J are likely to be the same person, the only records found so far all point to Thomas, apart from the fly in the ointment Marriage cert. of Adolphus. Having said that there are a lot of Grigson's in the surrounding counties, Warwick, Oxon, home counties and even Suffolk.
I'll put my thinking cap on.
Geoff
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I have the Brackley microfiche of original images - the father is clearly recorded as Thomas.
But a mistake may have been made when the register was written up. Often copied from a noteboook weekley or monthly.
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Well Geoff, looks like mgeneas has answered the "who's the father according to the official baptism records"........Big Thanks for that mgeneas :)
I really would like to say that Thomas W and William J are the same person and I don't know if we'll ever find out for sure. They are definitely part of the same family that I'm 100% sure of. Maybe there are still some facts out there that remain to be discovered.
I also have a copy of Adolphus's death cert, originally thinking that it would provide information on his father and mother. But alas English death certs don't show this information unlike Scottish death certs. Which is a real pity as this could have been a real help.
I agree Geoff that there do appear to be a lot of Grigsons about but the name Adolphus seems to be very rare. I don't know if I'm looking in the wrong places but I have only been able to find the 2 Adolphus Grigson.
Another fact that keeps on cropping up with the Grigsons is that a lot of them are printers and print compositors. This strikes me as strange but then maybe its the equivalent of living in the countryside and being an agricultural labourer throughout the generations.