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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Fermanagh => Topic started by: Ann Baker on Saturday 30 December 06 22:02 GMT (UK)
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Hi
Am looking for info re siblings of Hugh torrance (Torrens) who married Margaret Thompson in Femranagh in 1876. (Eniskillen meeting House Tempo). They left Ireland and came to paisley- Scotland sometime in year or two after that.
I have their marriage cert and know his father was also a Hugh and Margaret's dad was a William.
If anyone has any info I'd be very grateful
Thanks
Ann
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Ann- IGI lists a son to Hugh Torrens & Margaret Thompson: William Torrens born 22 Feb.1878 Cleen, Fermanagh, Ireland.
This gives you a possible location to search for Torrens family. Another source will be church records as birth registration only began in 1864.
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Ta Aghadowey
Had found William. there was also a Hugh (son) before him. rest were born in Scotland.
What trying to find out is who Hugh (dad) siblings were and where they were from etc.
But thanks for tip re church records. reckon that's where they'll be. If only was available on line! Sigh!
Ann
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Ann-
www.irishgenealogy.ie/search.cfm will give lists of births, marriages and gravestones (you can select 'Fermanagh'). However, births will only show names and year (not exact date, place, parents), etc.
Cleen is in Aghalurcher parish but not sure which churches are in that area. Does the marriage take place in that area? Although it was usually in the bride's church, it is at least a starting point.
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Aghadowey
Ta. The marriage took place in the meeting house in tempo. Haven't worked out where that is exactly yet.
Any ideas ?
Cheers
Ann
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'Meeting house' could be Presbyterian, although there are lots of Methodists in Fermanagh. The certificate should give name of clergyman- have a list of Presbyterian ministers which I could check.
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Hi aghadowey
Not ignoring you. I have been trying to decipher the signatire and it has defeated me so no clue! No idea what it is!
I'd be no good at all as a forger
Ann
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Sometimes when I'm having difficulty with old handwriting I trace the word and it does seem to make the word easier to read.
Could you post signature here to see if anyone can read it?
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Hi Ann,
I'm chasing a Jane TORRANCE (Torrens?) who reputedly married Samuel FRAZER c1780, location unknown but probably Down/Armagh/Fermanagh. Have you come across anything like this?
Regards,
Bruce Frazer (Meggsy), Melbourne Aus.
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Aghadowey
Ta. The marriage took place in the meeting house in tempo. Haven't worked out where that is exactly yet.
Any ideas ?
Cheers
Ann
Hiya Ann,
One of the members of The Tempo Historical Society (http://www.fermanagh.info/tempohistoricalsociety/org_contact.php) may be able to provide you with some information about the Meeting House. There's an email address in the link.
Christopher
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Christopher
Many thanks for that info. will sure follow it up
Ann
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Hi Bruce
Not found a lot on these guys yet. I only have Hugh and Margaret but there is a Jane in there somewhere because one of their kids is called Jane so is named after someone.
I have done a lot on them after they arrived in Scotland because is my mum's mum's paternal line but not done much in the Irish search other than get their marriage cert.
As with my other Irish folks have a feeling am at the start of a very long search but if I turn up your names I will definitely let you know
Cheers
Ann
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Thanks, Ann.
I'll keep an eye out for your Torrances, too.
Regards,
Bruce Frazer
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Hi Ann,
I'm chasing a Jane TORRANCE (Torrens?) who reputedly married Samuel FRAZER c1780, location unknown but probably Down/Armagh/Fermanagh. Have you come across anything like this?
Regards,
Bruce Frazer (Meggsy), Melbourne Aus.
Hi Bruce,
Have you thought of contacting Dr Linde Lunney who is an acknowledged expert on the Bann Valley Torrenses and their descendants?
Christopher
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Hi all
I'm pretty certain that some kind soul has donated a book on their research into the Irish Torrens/Torrance/Torrence (and whatever other spelling) and this is available in the RCB Library, in Dublin. I had a look through the book a couple of years ago.
Cheers
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Bit late but hopefully this link is still going. ::)
My (2x) Gr-Grandmother was Elizabeth 'Eliza' Thomson (formerly Thompson), Eliza married David Barr, widower in 1881. Elizabeth Thomson was the elder sister of Margaret Thompson who married Hugh Torrens, son of Hugh Torrens, Farm Labourer & Jane Hunter. The Torrens surname has various spellings, most so far on this one family line change to 'Torrance' after a few decades in Scotland. Many of the Thompson's once leaving Ireland also dropped the 'P' to become Thomson. Margaret Thompson is one of the rare few to keep the 'P' in Thom'p'son.
Hugh Torrens & wife Margaret Thompson had 12 living children born. Hugh from 1881 to his death in 1922 worked as a Labourer in the Brickfields of Paisley, and later on became a Labourer in the Slaughterhouse. Hugh died at his home 19 Springbank Road, Paisley on Nov 6th, 1922, aged 69 years. Margaret his wife, daughter of William Thompson & Mary Jane Cochran/e died July 6th, 1936, age 79 years, at her home in Paisley. When they died both went by the spelling 'Torrance.'
The 12 Children are as Follows :---
i. William TORRENS ------------ (b.22 Feb 1878 Cleen, Co.Fermanagh - d.13 Jul 1886 Paisley)
ii. Hugh TORRENS --------------- (b.reg'd 1879 Lisnaskea, Co.Fermanagh - d.1975 Paisley)
iii. Mary Jane TORRANCE -------- (b.14 Nov 1881 Paisley - d.1978 Paisley) *Often called 'Jane'
iv. David TORRANCE ------------- (b.2 Jan 1884 Paisley - d.7 Jun 1935 Paisley)
v. Margaret TORRANCE --------- (b.circa 1885 Paisley - d.1928 Paisley)
vi. William TORRANCE ----------- (b.circa 1888 Paisley - d.19 May 1935 L.M&S Railway, Paisley)
vii. Robert TORRANCE ----------- (b.circa 1889 Paisley - d.2 Jun 1891 Paisley)
viii. Andrew TORRANCE ----------- (b.11 May 1891 Paisley - d.1 Dec 1891) : Elder of Twins.
ix. James TORRANCE ------------ (b.11 May 1891 Paisley - d.1948 Paisley) : Younger of Twins.
x. Andrew TORRANCE ---------- (b.circa 1893 Paisley - )
xi. Robert TORRANCE ------------ (b.circa 1895 Paisley - ) *Informant on mother & father's DC.
xii. Eliza 'Lizzie' TORRANCE ------ (b.circa 1898 Paisley - )
The family lived at a number of addresses in Paisley. They also lived close to other relatives (siblings of Margaret Thompson. Elizabeth, Hugh, William, Mary and Catherine. Also her father William Thompson). There are also dozen's of cousin's, these include the, Nixon's, Nevin's, and the Barr's. Have tons of info, census's, BDM Cert's, ect., so there is A LOT MORE to this story!!! ;D
??? Also in the THOMPSON-BARR tree is, Margaret 'Maggie' Thompson, born 23 July 1874 Brookeboro, Co.Fermanagh, IRE., d/o Samuel Thompson and Sarah Thompson of Co.Fermanagh. In 1901 at Paisley this 'Maggie' married a Andrew Torrens, he was born 20 May 1878 Aghendanagh, Tyrone, IRE., s/o Hugh Torrens and Margaret Montgomery. By 1911 they had 4 children, Hugh, Samuel, Andrew, James, and William. --- Don't know if these Torrens/Torrance's & Thomson/Thompson's are related, both families, originate from the same counties in Ireland, and arrive in Scotland all about the same time ??
Hope to Hear Back, Kind Regards, Stew Barr.
(2x) Gr-Grand Nephew of Margaret Torrance, M.s. Thompson (c.1857-1936).
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Hi
It seems we share a common ancetsor - how exciting is that!
If you can do two more posts then we can exchange emails via a PM and I can send you what I have. We also have family in Brisbane and Perth!
Ann :D
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My Great Grandfather was James born 1891.
Since I first posted this I have been to Ireland a couple of times and have photos of the meeting house where Margaret and hugh married as well as their parents.
I too have lots of certs etc so be great to compare notes etc.
Very much looking forward to hearing from you
Ann :D
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Hi Ann, Wow that was fast!!!
Your Gr-Grandfather (James) we only learnt this week was a twin, as prior to that my tree only contained 11 of the children. I'll send this little post now and prepair a 2nd, Thank You for letting me know about the PM rules, ;) Your James in 1911 was a general labourer at the Iron Foundry, living with his mum & dad, they lived at #5 Mossvale-street. . . . My Pa Barr, his parents, paternal grandparents, and maternal gr-grandmother, Sarah Thompson lived at #10 Mossvale-street in 1911. So we share a commen ancestor, and where they lived. They also both lived in Westmarch (a street in Paisley).
Great to hear about this Meeting House, as finding Irish records has always been a challenge to track down. Happy to compair & combine, so very looking forward to see some new found info gold.
Back in a bit, Stew Barr
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Hi Stew
The family pretty well stayed around the North end of the town (that's where Mossvale St is). Westmarch has gone now but it's not that far from Mossvale St.
I don't live in Paisley now but my family still do so I am back and forth a bit
Ann :D
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Hi Ann,
This is the children so far found for William Thompson & Mary Jane Cochran.
i. Elizabeth 'Eliza' THOMSON, b. abt.1855 Co.Fermanagh - d.16 Nov 1917 10 Mossvale-st Paisley.
-- she married David Barr, 6 May 1881 in Paisley. (they had 8 children).
ii. Margaret THOMPSON, b. abt.1857 Co.Fermanagh - d. 6 July 1936 Paisley.
--- she married Hugh Torrens (they had 12 children).
iii. Hugh THOMSON, b. abt.1859 Ireland - d.25 Aug 1902 in a field at Whiteford Farm, Paisley. :(
--- he married Jane Kennedy. (they had 5 children).
iv. William THOMSON, b. abt 1860 Ireland - d. 2 Jan 1943 Paisley.
--- he married Elizabeth Smith (they had 10 children).
v. Mary THOMSON, b. abt 1861 Ireland - d. 1 Jan 1936 Paisley.
--- she married Andrew Nixon (they had 13 children).
vi. Catherine THOMSON, b. 16 Oct 1866 Tempo, Co.Fermanagh - d.21 Jan 1954 Paisley.
--- she married Anthony Nevin (they had 10 children).
There is also a Robert Farris, who's is the nephew of Mary Jane Cochran. He is the son of Elizabeth 'Eliza' Cochran and Robert Farris (spelling varies for this family too). My grand-pa William Barr was born in Paisley, when my cousin Denny Barr visted back in 1989 we did not know then the old address that we know now.
Looking forward to your PM, as we're a rare lot with a long tale too tell.
Kind Regards, Stew Barr
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Hi Stew
I've sent you a PM with my email address. Look forward to hearing from you! ;)
Ann