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The Findlater family left Ireland between 1830 and 1837, the first record is in the 1841 Maybole census showing Elizabeth Findlater married to William Brown with their family, mother Mary and sister Caroline also. Another entry shows Alexander wife Sarah and daughter Elizabeth staying in Ladyland, Maybole. Has anyone any idea the whereabouts of the rest of the family and the Brown family also?
Tx
Jean
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sorry jean, but i have no idea who the rest of the family is? do you have names for the family
staying in maybole in 1841 are
alexander
caroline
mary
living in aberdeen is sarah
living in wigtownshire is thomas
we can find them if you share a little more info
trying to help
Joe
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Hi
The family are:
Mary (Cowan) Findlater c 1781 living with dau Elizabeth in Back Road in 1841
Alexander Findlater c 1811 Ireland
Wife Sarah c 1816 maybe Scotland
dau Elizabeth c 1838 Kirkcolm
son Thomas c 1842 Maybole
dau Janet c 1850 Maybole
dau Mary c 1856 Maybole
dau Helen c 1845 Maybole
son James c 1848 Maybole
dau Jessie c 1851 Maybole
bro Thomas c 1808 Ireland - can't find
sis Elizabeth c 1810 Ireland m William Brown had 7 sons between 1830 and 1841 settled in Maybole - Back Road
sis Caroline c 1820 living with sis Elizabeth in back road in 1841 m Charles Smith in 1841 in Maybole (4 dau and 1 son)
I have no idea what happened to most of this family after 1841 - Moor Findlater was my husband's great grandfather who married Mary Henderson Harvie in Maybole 1891.
Any info would be great.
Thanks
Jean
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let me start with your elusive thomas
1851 census; cottage 2, south cairn, kirkcolm, wigtownshire
thomas...head...age 41...ag labourer...born ireland
elizabeth...wife...age 38...born kirkmaiden wigtownshire
thomas...son...age 19...carpenter
helen...dau...age 12
john...son...age 11
james...son...age 8
elizabeth...dau...age 5
samuel K...son...age 3
mary P...dau...age 1
all children born kirkcolm
1861 census; dally cottage, kirkcolm
thomas...head...age 50...ag labourer...born ireland
elizabeth...wife...age 48...born kirkmaiden
helen...dau...age 22...needle worker
elizabeth...dau...age 16...house worker
mary...dau...age 12...nurse
charles W...son...age 9
gavin...son...age 7
ann...dau...age 5
james...son...age 2
children all born kirkcolm (i counted 11 children so far!!!!)
wonder if this one belongs to you
1851 census; rosehearty, pitsligo, aberdeen
sally...age 44...soldier's widow...born ireland
Joe
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here is elizabeth brown, no sign of william
1851 census; ballary, maybole
elizabeth...head...age 53...born ireland
alexander...son...age 18...ag labourer
william...son...age 16...ag labourer
moor...son...age 14
john...son...age 11
charles(twin)...son...age 9...born maybole
james(twin)...son...age 9...born maybole
all children born kirkcolm, wigtownshire unless stated otherwise
also in the household transcibed as lodgers are the mc mitchien family from ireland.
mary...age 33...ag labourer
mary jane...age 30
james...age 13
john...age 10
1861 census; weaver vennal (west side) maybole
elizabeth...head...age 63...former domestic servant...born ireland
william...son...age 28...railway surfaceman
moor...son...age 26...railway surfaceman
charles(twin)...son...age 20...shoemaker
james(twin)...son...age 20...shoemaker
2 of the sons have brought their children with them to grandma's house
john...age 3...born girvan
elizabeth...age 2...born girvan
elizabeth...age 3...born coylton
Joe
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the smith family
1851 census; mochrum cottage, kirkoswald
charles..age 40..ag lab..born drumore, county down
caroline..age 30..born castle down, county derry
margaret...dau...age 9
mary...dau...age 7
jane...dau...age 4
william...son...age 1
children born maybole
1861 census; coral glen, maybole
charles...head...age 45...drainer...born ire
caroline...age 40...born ire
margaret...dau...age 17...servant
jane...dau...age 14
annbell...dau...age 8
Joe
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Thanks Joe - that's brilliant I'll add the info to my tree and see how it fits.
Thanks again
Jean
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hi jean, it is no wonder you could find ni info on alexander, it has been doing my nut in!!! i do not like getting beat!!!
he was transcribed under the name FINLAY!!!
1851 census; back vennal, maybole
alexander...head...age 40...ag labourer...born ireland
sarah...wife...age 32...born ireland
elizabeth...dau...age 13...born kirkcolm
thomas...son...age 9
helen...dau...age 7
james...son...age 3
jessie...dau...age 9 months
all born maybole unless stated otherwise
by the 1861 census it looks like alexander is working with his brother-in-law charles smith, he is also staying in the same area, sadly no mention of sarah and young jessie, you may want to check SP for their deaths
1861 census; coral glen, maybole
alexander...head...age 50...drainer...born ireland
elizabeth...dau...age 23...servant...born kirkcolm
thomas...son...age 20...drainer
ellen...dau...age 15
james...son...age 13
mary...dau...age 3
happy hunting jean
Joe
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Hi Joe
Thanks for the details - I didn't have them on the 1851 or 1861 census. Could only find Elizabeth on the 1871 census with her children, her brother Thomas took care of them after her death in 1881. Found Thomas on the 1871, 1881, 1891 and 1901 census, unfortunately he had no family of his own.
Sarah (Hewitt) Findlater, Alexander's wife died 23 Jun 1857 and was buried in Maybole Cemetery. Alexander died 29 Oct 1865 probably buried in Maybole Cemetery as well.
I also have a Janet Findlater born around 1850 but she seems to have disappeared from the 1851 census and Jessie from the 1861 census, can only presume they had both died in between the census taking place.
Once again thanks for giving me some new avenues to explore.
Jean
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Hiya Jean,
Happy New Year to you.
This was posted on the Some Ayrshire Deaths in 1865 website (http://fp.ayrshireroots.plus.com/Genealogy/Records/Post%201855/Ayrshire%201865%20Deaths.htm)
Alexander Findlater, 47, October 29, 1865 at Maybole, Labourer, Widower of Sarah Hewit,
Thomas Findlater, General Dealer (dec) and Mary Bone (?) (dec) John Brown, Nephew.
Chris
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wonderful link my friend, very useful no doubt to all those with family in ayrshire
Joe
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There were still Findlaters in Ireland. The Findlater Brewery (http://www.europeanbeerguide.net/irlbrew.htm) which was a rival to Guinness closed in 1949. There was a department store named Findlaters in Findlater Street. It closed about the 1970s and there is also a Findlater Church in Dublin.
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christopher my friend, the findlater family that jean is researching came over to scotland around 1836/1837 is there any mention of them in ireland around the 1830's?
joe
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Only the ones in Dublin at the time of Griffiths Valuation in the city 1848-51 (http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php) There were eleven heads of household and two of them were named Alexander. I'd imagine most of them were born prior to 1820 if
they were a head of household by 1848. The question is where were they before Dublin. They may be
a Scottish family who did some toing and froing between Scotland and Ireland as there are the ruins of
a Findlater Castle in Aberdeen. (http://www.findlater.org.uk/Castle.htm)
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hi pal, i think that this is a county down family, alexander the oldest it seems is the son of mary, i think that mary was a widow when she came over to scotland with her family and that her husband may have also been called alexander.
as you can notice from the earlier posts on this thread, mary was given the birth year of 1781, so we maybe can assume that alexander may have been 1775-1780 and may have died around the 1830's in ireland.
it would be a wonderful start to the new year for jean if you can find anything in ireland concerning her family
Joe
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I'm not there yet. Still looking. The Findlater Museum in Dublin (http://www.citikey.com/business/11007379) would relate to the family that owned the brewery and department store. They must have been philanthropists as there's the Findlater Church too as well as scholarships which have their name attached in some Irish universities.
I've tracked down mention of Alexander Findlater (http://genforum.genealogy.com/cgi-bin/pageload.cgi?Dublin::findlater::1.html) who lived at Kingstown (Dun Laioghaire) in 1843. That was in Nick Reddan's Newspaper Extracts ... Freeman's Journal (Dublin) 1843.
Ros Davie's Co. Down Ireland Genealogical Research Site mentions ...
Miss Elizabeth Findlater, wife of William Clarke; mother of Susan b. 1870. That would mean Elizabeth was probably born in the 1840s.
Should I try Brown or Cowan in Ireland?
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Hi Chris and Joe
Thanks for your input. I have found the Urquhart Census of Portpatrick of 1832-1834 which suggests that there was on Findlater there. I would think that it was Thomas as he seems to have married Elizabeth McClurg or McCleod in Kirkcolm in 1831.
Thomas Findlater c 1781 was a general dealer as listed in son Alexander's obit in Ayrshire Deaths 1865. This may fit with some of the information Chris has provided but I have no idea which part of Ireland they are from.
Mary Cowan married Thomas Findlater (c1781) probably sometime around 1800-1808.
I am not sure of a connection beteen the Findlaters in the Highlands.
Are there any more of these lists available (such as the Urquhart Census)?
Jean
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Hiya Jean,
Do we need to look for Hewitts in Ireland ... Sarah (Hewitt) Findlater ?
I've looked at Irish Ancestors Surname Search. (http://www.ireland.com/ancestor/surname) Findlater is rare in Ireland: Dublin, Down. Scottish, from placename in Banffshire. I cross checked Finlay and Cowan. Dublin and Dublin City are the only places
shown as having the two surnames in the same parish in Ireland during the time of the Valuation 1848 - 64.
Chris
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Hi Chris
I think Sarah Hewitt may have been born in Scotland, Wigtownshire, Her parents were Jonathan Hewitt and Helen Wright. Jonathan was a woollen weaver. Alexander and Sarah Findlater's first child (I know of )was born in Kirkcolm in 1838.
Jean
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Hiya Jean,
Five Findlaters signed the 1912 Ulster Covenant. (http://www.proni.gov.uk/ulstercovenantsearch) They may have been from a rural area and moved to live in Belfast
Ellen M. Findlater, Rosapenna Paignton South Devon Londonderry City Craig Memorial Hall
Margaret Findlater, 26, Sandy Row, Belfast: South Saint George's Sandy Row Orange Hall
Agent: Adeline G. Hewitt
Robert Findlater, 26, Sandy Row, Belfast: South Saint Anne's City Hall Agent: T. H. Witherow, B A
Robert Findlater, 26, Sandy Row, Belfast: South Saint Anne's City Hall Agent: T. H. Witherow, B A
William Findlater, Belfast: South Saint Anne's City Hall
Chris
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Hiya
If Findlater is a rare name in both Ireland and Scotland as suggested there should be a common connection to form the relationship somewhere. Maybe the whole family didn't move to Scotland during the early 1830's.
These could be distant relations now,
Jean
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Happy New Year Chris
Would there be a list such as: Slaters General & Classified Directory (or similar) of different towns or counties in Ireland as early as 1810? Or any information available on the church registers and lists that the ministers/vicars/priests used to keep track of their congregations other than the ones on the Bann Valley website?
Jean
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Hi,
I am descended from Caroline Findlater who married Charles Smith. Their son William died in 1858 & the oldest girls Margaret & Mary emigrated in 1862 to Australia. Charles died in early Feb 1864 & Caroline & the other 2 girls Jane & Annie emigrated to Australia in lat Feb. They all seems to have lived in Rockhampton for a while.
All of the Australian records for Caroline have her maiden name as Findlay.
I'd love more info on the Findlater family.
Regards
Naomi
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Hi,
I am descended from Caroline Findlater who married Charles Smith. Their son William died in 1858 & the oldest girls Margaret & Mary emigrated in 1862 to Australia. Charles died in early Feb 1864 & Caroline & the other 2 girls Jane & Annie emigrated to Australia in lat Feb. They all seems to have lived in Rockhampton for a while.
All of the Australian records for Caroline have her maiden name as Findlay.
I'd love more info on the Findlater family.
Regards
Naomi
Hello
my husband is descended from Caroline's brother Alexander Findlater.
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Looking for details of Robert Findlater (born in 1692) son of John Findlater & Lilias Brodie in Rafford,
Morayshire area. His brother James was born 1693 in Rafford, Morayshire as per Scotland's people.
He was next found in Aughnacloy, Monaghan area of Ireland with two sons, Thomas & William. He died in 1778 in Tyrone as per will lodged.
"Ireland, Diocesan and Prerogative Wills & Administrations Indexes, 1595-1858", , FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:WGH1-22N2 : Sun Mar 10 08:11:21 UTC 2024), Entry for Thomas Findlelater, 1759.
Any information including births, marriages and deaths much appreciated.
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If Findlater is a rare name in both Ireland and Scotland as suggested there should be a common connection to form the relationship somewhere. Maybe the whole family didn't move to Scotland during the early 1830's.
I'd say it was uncommon but not rare. Scotland's People has 12,512 references to Fin*l*t*r.
The name originates in Banffshire, where there is a ruined Findlater Castle - see https://www.geograph.org.uk/search.php?i=211308948. It was a seat of the Ogilvies until they built the more commodious Cullen House in 1600.
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Thank you for looking it may seem a rare name but the early Findlaters had large families. I have found the Morayshire Findlaters descended from Alexander who married Christian Brodie's son John who married Lilias Brodie. Their son Robert was born in Morayshire and 'apparently' went to Ireland. Next found in Aughnacloy, died and had two sons, William & Thomas. Interested in any marriages and family in born there.
Thanks for looking.