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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Inverness => Topic started by: jadewing on Wednesday 27 December 06 10:21 GMT (UK)
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Hi All and Seasons Greetings :)
This is my first venture onto the Scottish board. I'm staying with my sister so have started work on my BiL's tree.
I have traced his GG grandparents to Donald Fraser b 1825 Glen Urquhart and Catherine Stewart b c1825 Kilmonivaig who were married in Kilmonivaig 1 Aug 1852 (IGI). They then emigrated to Australia. I have found Donald's christening in the IGI (b Urquhart 2/12/1824, par: James Fraser & Ann McCrae).
Looking for Catherine's parents & siblings
Thanks, Jane
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Hi Jane :)
Have you got the names, in birth order, of Donald and Catherine's children. This might help to pinpoint possible parents fron Catherine. On the 1841 census there are two possible Catherines - in the broad age range - in Kilmonivaig:
aged 13 (b.c. 1828, Invernessshire) , with probable parents Angus (b. c. 1786) and Anne (b.c. 1796) and Sarah (b.c. 1826), Anne (b.c. 1831) and Archibald (b.c. 1835)
aged 15-19 (b - 1821-26, Scotland), with probable parents Donald (b.c. 1786, Inv) and Janet (b.c. 1791, Inv) and Janet (b.c. 1829), ?Janet (b.c. 1836) and Mary (b.c. 1839)
Regards
Gadget
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Hi Gadget
The only children I know of at this stage are Donald, but as the father is also Donald that doesn't really help, and Alexander. The most likely of the possible death registration's for Catherine gives her father's name as Donald though, so the second census entry is looking good.
Catherine's birth date of c1825 was from Alexander's birth registration. Her age was given as about 31 yo in 1856.
Do you have access to 1851 too?
Thanks, Jane
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Hi Jane :)
There is only one unmarried on the 1851 born Kilmonivaig, a servant so no help with parents' names:
Letterfinlay: 99 ED 16 Page 1
In the household of Alexande McMillan -
Catherine Stewart, 25, shepherd's servant
She is indexed twice - once as here and once as a general servant. Same person though.
This looks very like the second person on the 1841, doesn't it. Parents are then probably Donald and Janet.
The IGI Batch C110992 has a Donald Stewart and a Janet Stewart having children Jane 1830 and Mary 1825.. Catherine isn't listed though.
Hope this helps.
Regards
Gadget
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The other Kilmonivaig Stewarts having children at around the right time where a Donald Stewart and Catherine Cameron:
John 1822
Lucy 1825
Alexander 1827
Mary 1828
Donald 1830
Angus 1832
Regards
Gadget
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Hmm, Catherine's parents could just as easily be Donald & Catherine as Donald & Janet :( Have to think a bit more about this.
Thanks Gadget
Jane
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ah ha - there's a clue :)
1841 -
aged 15-19 (b - 1821-26, Scotland), with probable parents Donald (b.c. 1786, Inv) and Janet (b.c. 1791, Inv) and Janet (b.c. 1829), ?Janet (b.c. 1836) and Mary (b.c. 1839)
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The IGI Batch C110992 has a Donald Stewart and a Janet Stewart having children Jane 1830 and Mary 1825.. Catherine isn't listed though.
Jane (b.c. 1830) could be Janet (b.c. 1829). Worth investigating.
Gadget
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I think Donald and Janetlook more likely as parents. I've had a look at the entry and they are living Alld a chaoruinn (alld is usually spelt allt nowadays), Kilmonivaig. Catherine wasn't born there though - maybe her mother was away or something. It might be worth doing a search in the IGI for a Catherine, b.c. 1825 with parents Donald and Janet, outwith the area.
Gadget
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Hi Jane
I've found the Donald (listed on the 1841 with wife Janet) on the 1851:
Stroniba, Kilmonivaig 99 ED 15 Page 5
Donald Stewart, widr, 65, ag lab, b.Inverness, Laggan
Janet, daughter, unm, 22, houseservant
Mary, granddaughter, 12,
Isabella, d-in-law, mar, 25,
Cl?nny, gdaughter, 7,
Angus, gson, 5,
Donald, gson, 2
All except Donald b. Kilmonivaig.
Regards
Gadget
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Donald Stewart married Janet Stewart in Kilmonivaig on 4 Mar 1811. Donald died at Glenfintaig, near Spean Bridge in 1855. This marriage was his second and produced 10 children, 3 died at a young age. His first marriage was to Margaret Kennedy in Laggan parish which produced 2 children. The 1885 death records were superb with their extra info!
On the 1841 census, it seems possible that grand-dau Mary may be son Ewen's child by his first marriage to Sicely McKinnon in 1839. Mary is still with Donald in the 1851 census, along with his daughter Janet. Ewen later married Isabella MacDonald in 1844 and they lived on the north shore of Loch Arkaig in Kilmallie until their deaths (Ewen in 1909 and Isabella in 1900). It is this Isabella who is recorded on the 1851 census with 3 of her children - Clementina, Angus and Donald. Donald and Janet's son Alexander (9th child, 4th son) is believed to have married Ann Cameron at Corpach in 1848.
Donald's parents were John Stewart and Christian MacPherson, with Donald believed to be their first child in 1780 in Laggan parish. It seems they may have had 9 children, but still early days in researching this family.
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Thanks Hallglen! This is very helpful as I'd not yet got beyond Donald and Janet.
What's your connection to this family? Catherine Stewart was my brother in law's 2G GM
Jane
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Hi Jane,
It's my wife's family actually - Donald Stewart was her maternal gg-GF. Son Alexander Stewart who married Ann Cameron became a gamekeeper at Kinlocheil, as was his son Hugh. Alexander and Ann Cameron are buried in the old Kilmallie churchyard at Corpach. By the way, Donald was buried at the Macomur graveyard near Spean Bridge.
This family has proved tricky to locate and some of the info still needs verification but we're getting there.
Cheers,
John
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My great grandfather was Robert Fraser who is the son of Donald and Catherine Fraser who married in Kilmonivaig and came out to Australia on the Lord Stanley in June 1854. I have some information including a short family history written by Leslie John Fraser but would be grateful to know more.
Jane
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Hi Jane,
Donald Fraser and Catherine naming a son Robert could be a pointer to Catherine's parents being the Donald Stewart and Janet Stewart mentioned in the earlier posts, as Catherine Stewart had an elder brother Robert, born 1818, who married Flora Cameron in Kilmonivaig in 1848. Robert was the informant for their father Donald Stewart's death in 1855 at Glefintaig where Robert was a shepherd.
Cheers,
John
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John, this is interesting. Thank you. Do you know anything about that area or when my relatives would have moved there?
Jane
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Hi Jane,
I can tell you that Donald Stewart was born in Shirramor in Laggan, the adjoining parish to the east of Kilmonivaig, in Dec 1780. He moved in to Kilmonivaig around 1806 or so, according to the info on his death register entry. Janet Stewart was his second wife; first was believed to be Margaret Kennedy - they married in Laggan 7 Jul 1804.
Cheers,
John
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Hi Jane
My BiL is a descendant of Robert Fraser's brother Alexander b15 Sept 1856.I don't have a lot of information on teh family but I'm happy to share what I have. I'll send you a PM with my contact details.
Cheers, Jane
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Hi, I am tracing Donald MacDonald who married Margaret Ross. I have found their marriage, but cannot find the parents of Margaret Ross - John Ross & Margaret Sutter/Souter. Any help please. Margaret Ross was born circa 1824 Kilmonivaig, Inverness.
Thanks Joan
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Donald Stewart married Janet Stewart in Kilmonivaig on 4 Mar 1811. Donald died at Glenfintaig, near Spean Bridge in 1855. This marriage was his second and produced 10 children, 3 died at a young age. His first marriage was to Margaret Kennedy in Laggan parish which produced 2 children. The 1885 death records were superb with their extra info!
On the 1841 census, it seems possible that grand-dau Mary may be son Ewen's child by his first marriage to Sicely McKinnon in 1839. Mary is still with Donald in the 1851 census, along with his daughter Janet. Ewen later married Isabella MacDonald in 1844 and they lived on the north shore of Loch Arkaig in Kilmallie until their deaths (Ewen in 1909 and Isabella in 1900). It is this Isabella who is recorded on the 1851 census with 3 of her children - Clementina, Angus and Donald. Donald and Janet's son Alexander (9th child, 4th son) is believed to have married Ann Cameron at Corpach in 1848.
Donald's parents were John Stewart and Christian MacPherson, with Donald believed to be their first child in 1780 in Laggan parish. It seems they may have had 9 children, but still early days in researching this family.
I have been tracking Jessie Stewart born 1849/50 in Inverness ( states this in 1881 census while married to James Welsh) .I found her death cert in Glasgow ,in 1928 and her name is Jessie Sutherland Welsh, ms Stewart . Fathers name is Ewen/Evan Stewart (shephard ) and mother Catherine Kennedy . I see hes been married a few times , but could this Ewen/Evan be my Jessies father from Inverness ? I have Ewen Stewarts death cert in 1909 in Kilmallie aged 93 retired shepherd . Am i joining the dots or going off track on this line ? cheers Raymie .
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From 1844 until 1900, Ewen was married to Isabella McDonald so it seems unlikely he was the father of your Jessie Stewart unless the informant got the mother's name completely wrong. Jessie's marriage record to James Welsh could throw some light on this.
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There is a family in the 1851 census that may fit the Ewen Stewart that you are looking for. In the town of Inverness, at 55 Tomnahurich St, is shepherd Evan Stewart (age 56), wife Catharine (47), and chn Margaret (18), Charles (14), William (14), Catharine (11), Grace (6) and Janet (2). This Janet looks a possibility for your Jessie, birth year 1849. Also with this family is Ewen's brother Alexander (age 69) and a tailor. All recorded as having been born in Kilmorack, Inverness.
May not be the right one but worth checking out
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Hi Hallglen thanks for the help . I checked Jessies death cert and fathers name is Evan (oops, old writing ;-) .) and Catherine Kennedy . Checked the 1871 census for the family and Evan is gone but Jessie is now Jessie Sutherland with 2 kids living with her mother. Now that sets alarm bells off as on Jessies death cert she is named Jessie Sutherland Welsh. So looks as if the correct family. Will check for a marriage of a Jessie Stewart and anon Sutherland from 1866 -1874 as she marries James Welsh in 1875 Glasgow. Thanks again Hallglen .
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SP have a marriage for a Jessie Stewart to a George Sutherland in Inverness, 1867.
They also have a George Sutherland dying in Inverness in 1869.
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FamilySearch has this marriage for 9 Aug 1867 in Inverness, INV. Also lists two children - dau Margaret born 16 May 1868 in Inverness and son John Powrie born 31 Jan 1870 in Milton, Glasgow. On this latter birth, father's full name given as George Farquhar Sutherland.
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Hi folks, I got Jessie and Georges marriage cert on 09/09/1867 in Inverness . Her parents are Ewen Stewart (Shepherd) and Catherine Kennedy , Witnesses , David MacKintosh and James McBean. So same parents for my death cert for Jessie Sutherland Welsh in 1928 in Glasgow ;) On the 1881 census for Jessie and James Welsh none of the kids appear , oldest is my Great Gran Margaret aged 6 and born 14 /09/1875 and living in Port Glasgow as James Welsh is a stonemason, journeyman . ( disappears after 1891 census)Finding it difficult to track deaths for Ewen and Catherine , Ewen is on 1851 census and Catherine and Jessie on 1871 census in Inverness. Thanks again for your help guys :)
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Just had quick look on ScotPeo. They have for Inverness, INV a death in 1866 for Ewen Stewart, born 1795 +/-5 yrs. There is also a death record for a Catherine Kennedy, other surname Stewart, born 1805 +/- 5 yrs, in 1890 in Inverness-shire in the parish of Insh. Worth checking :)
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Hi Hallglen , spot on with Ewen Stewart ;) Living at 58 Tomnahurich st Inverness died aged 70 . Parents James and looks like Robina Stewart ms Stewart too. I had that cert for Catherine in 1890 aged 86 . It states shes widow of James Stewart , farmer . Witness is a James MacPherson , son in law . So cant say for sure if thats our Catherine , possibly is as there was a few daughters and might have took her in . Easy to get a name mixed up . Thats the furthest back i have got Hallglen 1760ish , Highland blood ;D Cheers
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SP has one other match for the same search parameters for Catherine Kennedy also Stewart and that is in Hutchesontown, Glasgow in 1880. Given the Glasgow connection, have you checked that one? Good luck ;)
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Hi Hallglen , bang on the money again :D Got Catherines in 21/03/1880 at Cumberland Street , Gorbals ,Glasgow. i also managed to get her mothers death cert Margaret McDonald in 30/03/1869 aged 86 in Laggan , widow of Samuel Kennedy (shepherd) parents Angus McDonald and Ann McDonald ms McDonald. Getting right back to the Jacobite Rebellion of 1745 :o cheers again
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Re Catherine Stewart born c1826, daughter of Donald Stewart. She had a daughter in 1846, Una Cameron. Una is brought up by her Cameron grandparents initially then by her father who married someone else. There's a couple of entries regarding Catherine in the Kilmonivaig Kirk Session notes of 1846. Catherine was working at Tulloch farm in 1845.